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  • JiDion
    JiDion 8 days ago +15332

    There’s not one sports analyst I can think of that’s better then jimmy. Your more then just a sports channel your giving us elite level journalism and we appreciate you!

    • Brad Estes
      Brad Estes Day ago

      Demarcus Cousins watches Jimmy!! Did we just become best friends?

    • micah b
      micah b Day ago

      Faaccttssss

    • random_streaming_pickle
      random_streaming_pickle Day ago

      Man i been subbed to you since 2 mil and i love you man proud of all your work keep it up

    • Trevor
      Trevor 2 days ago +1

      #freejidiontwitch

    • Vlad Lopez
      Vlad Lopez 2 days ago

      WiDion

  • Schrader Clemens
    Schrader Clemens 6 days ago +777

    The huge problem with this type of analysis is the good ole‘ causation vs correlation. We don‘t know if him getting a triple-double made his team win more often or if his team winning made him get a triple-double more often. It‘s most likely something in between but we don‘t really know if his performance was the deciding factor.

    • Jon B
      Jon B 5 hours ago

      Fair enough- however when you look across multiple players across the NBA, there is enough here to make a reasonable conclusion. Take Nikola Jokic as an example. Watch his games where he gets a TD and tell me they don't have an impact on the outcome of the game.

    • THE NEW AGE
      THE NEW AGE 6 hours ago

      @Freddie Howard don’t forget the refs

    • Pohorex
      Pohorex 7 hours ago

      @Vertex Realm sample size can be used when determined luck, see baseball at bats, as each at bat has luck involved, but this isn’t about luck at all. If i had a team that went up against the pistons 4 times in a season, it’d be much easier for me to move around, get assists and rebounds, and just dominate the game, not because I’m playing better, but because it’s a worse team. We will likely win either way, but it’d allow me to ball hog and not risk the team losing. I could force feed assists until I get to 10, for the sake of the triple double. So the triple double is the goal, not the secondary objective. There’s a difference between just being on your game and falling into a triple double and looking for one. Playing against that same pistons team, I look up and realize I only have 9 assists, shoot, I better drive the lane and pop one outside real quick to get that double

    • Riley Aicher
      Riley Aicher 22 hours ago

      @Tarcisio lmao chill socrates

    • Burton Jekel
      Burton Jekel Day ago

      He also talks about the TO margin but that usually comes more into effect when the playoffs start and every possession matters.

  • 7necniv
    7necniv 7 days ago +127

    You may wish to question your premise for causality. Russell Westbrook’s triple doubles may be not the reason why his teams won in those games. It may indeed be the reverse - Russell got his triple doubles in games that his teams performed well and were winning, which allowed him to get his triple doubles more easily.

    • Blake Alexander
      Blake Alexander Day ago

      @Tony Hicks Curry isn’t even the actual point guard on his team

    • Chasswel
      Chasswel Day ago +1

      @Tony Hicks "Why not pad your stats to the point you win everygame" BRO DID U REALLY SAY THAT LOL. Think about it by yourself u will get your answer

    • Tony Hicks
      Tony Hicks 2 days ago

      @Chasswel what is stat padding that’s a bs statement cuz why not pad your stats to the point you winning every game like say he wanted more rebounds to “stat pad” he can get 30 a game right?

    • Chasswel
      Chasswel 2 days ago +1

      @Tony Hicks like what i said they play through a game plan. They dont play through stars they share the ball too much that nobody is being able to stat pad. Also draymond green almost averages triple double xd

    • Tony Hicks
      Tony Hicks 2 days ago

      @Chasswel warriors are a real good team why nobody average a triple double. It’s a mind set for triple doubles only thing you have to count on others for is assist really

  • Jaybird
    Jaybird 7 days ago +424

    To me, the question isn’t “What is Russ’ team record when he gets a TD?” It’s, “What is Russ’ team record when Russ is 2-3 assists and/or 2-3 rebounds away from a TD”

    • Chasswel
      Chasswel 2 days ago

      @Dwayne they were playing five out iso bro literally and that did work on the last month of the season but its not about the players that play with westbrook its all caused by westbrook. When he tries to go iso he doesnt create any threat. He cant shoot 3s not really consistent on 2s. Look at the series vs Lakers it was just straight up AD protecting paint. They just risked his shots and they werent wrong at all. Also when Harden goes for the iso it wasnt working cause of the westbrooks synergy with the system. He is literally 0 threat off ball so they didnt even cared a bit to contest him they did leave him open. Westbrook is a player that will do great stats on a bad team and get them in to playoffs barely or from the lower seeds thats all not a bad player tho dont get me wrong

    • Dwayne
      Dwayne 2 days ago

      @Chasswel Can shoot is different from spot up shooter. Houston had ball dominant wings (harden, Gordon, Austin Rivers)

    • Chasswel
      Chasswel 3 days ago

      @Dwayne Houston was the team that everyone can shoot bro that was the whole point of that team wtf

    • Aden Yuan
      Aden Yuan 3 days ago

      That’s your fantasy

    • reimixo
      reimixo 5 days ago

      @ScottieDPOY u not funny anymore, bye 😘

  • Psycho with Superpowers
    Psycho with Superpowers 7 days ago +314

    This analysis falls apart when you consider maybe Russ is just far more likely to get triple doubles against a losing team. You should provide data showing the winning percentages of the teams he played against so we can draw a more meaningful conclusion.

    • Not_da215
      Not_da215 6 hours ago

      I feel like y’all just say this because y’all don’t like the man lol

    • Rob
      Rob Day ago

      You’re welcome to create your own analysis video with all the stats your little heart desires to put on it.

    • Holden
      Holden 2 days ago +1

      I've been watching Russ for years. He gets the trip dub regardless of who he's playing, and he actually seems to overperform the better his opponent is. Those 4 seasons of triple doubles he was just a force of nature.

    • smurphas
      smurphas 2 days ago +2

      id like to take a moment to appreciate how correct, well written, concise, direct, helpful and still respectful this comment is.

    • AshtonWhaa
      AshtonWhaa 2 days ago

      Im pretty sure that applies to everyone not just russ.

  • Antoine Bandele
    Antoine Bandele 8 days ago +3189

    This man must have a writing team. No way he’s this good, this consistently. Seriously, ESPN needs to hire you for a segment.

    • Blake Alexander
      Blake Alexander Day ago +2

      @Tyler Anderson yeah, like Jxmmy’s bad OPINION here.. most KNOW the FACTUAL reality of Westbrook these days

    • Blake Alexander
      Blake Alexander Day ago +2

      @Daniel Wester lol, literally what I said! 💯

    • Blake Alexander
      Blake Alexander Day ago +2

      Nah he was blatantly wrong with this one and most the basketball world blatantly knows the obvious reality about Westbrook, especially now

    • Eric Carrillo
      Eric Carrillo 2 days ago

      @Gangsta🥷🏾 And this guy doesn’t have the expanded vocabulary like those espn analyst..and I’m not sure if he holds an analysis certificate.

    • Tyler Anderson
      Tyler Anderson 5 days ago

      @Daniel Wester opinions are like asshole, everyone has one

  • annag cocl
    annag cocl 3 days ago +16

    l remember watching this man’s videos leaving middle school. i’m a freshman in college now and he still gets better with every single video. ur a legend jimmy

  • Casey Hodgson
    Casey Hodgson 5 days ago +52

    I think your missing 1 thing though, often when your team is winning and theres no real threat of losing is when the bigs will give the guards rebounds helping them get to the triple double. In those cases the triple double means very little, and of course normally when a guy like giannis, harden or lbj is getting a triple double theyve just dominated and that does normally lead to the W

    • Not_da215
      Not_da215 6 hours ago

      Casey Hodgson you’re delusional fam lol there are plenty of videos of Russ going to get rebounds. He’s like the 2nd most athletic Pg in the league. He’s going to get rebounds on whatever team he’s on

    • Holden
      Holden 2 days ago +2

      @Casey Hodgson give me a break. Has Adams let Russ get a rebound before? Sure. Has it been the reason for the triple double records? No. These haters run with the most idiotic theories.

    • Casey Hodgson
      Casey Hodgson 2 days ago +1

      @Holden I didn't say anyones name in particular but, i have seen plenty of times in okc were Adams would let the ball bounce whilst staring at Westbrook, and its not just Russ like a week ago the celtics did the same thing right at the end of the game and the nba actually took the last rebound from the guy so he didnt get the triple double. So if you don't think its happening and annoying even the nba officials your wrong.

    • Holden
      Holden 2 days ago +1

      I don't think there's a bigger bullshit narrative than Russ' triple doubles being attributable to bigs giving him rebounds. He does sag off his man to get rebounds, but big men actually boxing out for him almost never happens.

    • Raey Admasu
      Raey Admasu 5 days ago +6

      I really thought he would bring this up when he said "numbers don't lie but in the wrong context can skew the truth"

  • Paul B
    Paul B 7 days ago +79

    7:08 It's also obviously easier to record a triple double when your team is winning (like "statpadding in garbage minutes" as many people accuse him of), which is also gonna contribute a lot to that stat. I would guess that most players have better records if you only count the games they got triple doubles. It also supports the claim that he gets most of his triple doubles against weaker opponents. But yea overall his stats are not empty

    • John Bonetti
      John Bonetti 5 days ago

      Not necessarily, because those very same garbage minutes exist for the losing team as well.

    • Daniel Wester
      Daniel Wester 5 days ago +1

      @J that OKC team made it to the playoffs every year he didn't average a triple double too. In fact, in every season for OKC that he didn't average a trip, they made it past the first round. Every season in which he averaged a triple double? Didn't make it out the first round. So nah man, we won't give him OKC. He's a garbage man, a stat padder, a selfish ball hog who ruins team flow because he has to both rebound AND score/assist. Essentially, he ruins teams because he can't play unless the offense is run, from rebound to bucket, through him. It's trash basketball and Jimmy should be goddamn ashamed for defending this to his impressionable audience. Nobody should ever try to replicate Westbrook's game if they actually care about good basketball or wining.

    • Trenton Ayers Hands of Fire
      Trenton Ayers Hands of Fire 5 days ago +3

      The Lakers ain’t getting 60 wins this year... even if he averaged triple dub...

  • Kevin Anderson
    Kevin Anderson 5 days ago +10

    I want to start by saying I love your content and you do great work.

    That said, the problem with this analysis is that it presumes because that's the win rate when he achieves a triple double, the triple double was responsible for the win. It's really hard to say that with any certainty. As an example, Westbrook is a historically poor 3-point shooter. Over the same time frame you listed, Westbrook's win percentage looks like this:

    Shoots

    • Blake Alexander
      Blake Alexander Day ago +1

      Thank you- this is easily by far the best analysis and take, and the thing is, it’s obvious.. that’s literally what the Lakers had to force Westbrook to do (while also massively cutting down turnovers) just to have a chance to win.. and those wins are only against less than .500 teams so far

  • 12 PackersFan
    12 PackersFan 9 days ago +4061

    That Josh Giddy weaknesses report had me dead
    “Yeah he can’t shoot dribble defend or jump but other than that he’s great”

    • trance FORM
      trance FORM 4 days ago

      The kid reminds me of how Tim Duncan looked out there. The play didn't look exciting, but is low key super effective. He plays his own speed and literally pases people open. He's a teenager right now in the NBA. He definitely be a very good floor general eventually.

    • King Dongo
      King Dongo 7 days ago +2

      He showed them otherwise XD

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      SpongeBub SqueerePents 8 days ago

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  • The_matrix _
    The_matrix _ 7 days ago +50

    I remember there was a game back in 2017 where kd and steph were laughing at Russ because he was chasing after a triple double. There was also a game a few years back against the jazz where Russ literally wouldn’t shoot the ball in a close game in the 4th because he was 1 ast away from a triple double. Russ chasing stats is and is low basically iq is the reason he won’t win a championship. When it’s winning time he won’t put the teams success before his own.

    • Not_da215
      Not_da215 6 hours ago

      I swear y’all just come up with y’all own narrative and run with it. Let me guess Steven adams gave Russ all the boards in Okc too despite him grabbing them on every team he’s on😂😂

    • hehey
      hehey Day ago +1

      if he shoots and miss he is low iq...... if he doesnt shoot he is low iq....

    • lets talk
      lets talk 4 days ago +2

      Russ is definitely going out there to get the triple double but it's still impressive there was a time when the triple double season avg seemed impossible this man does it almost every yr 😭😭😭😭😭😭

  • Jordan Lookatch
    Jordan Lookatch 5 days ago +19

    This dude puts sports analyzation into a different level I’ve been here since 200k and it’s been amazing since

  • ricardoslzr08
    ricardoslzr08 3 days ago +3

    love your stuff jimmy, amazing analysis, videos and narration. But gonna have to disagree here although you have great number to provide us with this argument they can be deceiving, when you watch the actual games themselves there is no doubt that he hurts his teams with bad play, questionable desicion and shot making. God Bless, waiting for your next video keep up the good work!

  • LaLicorne CH
    LaLicorne CH 5 days ago +1

    Really excellent like always. Thank you for all these great videos with so many stats. About Russ West who is an amazing player with limitless energy, I’m also fed up to hear about his turn overs. These should be compared with the number of balls he had in his hands during a game. This ratio would give us the truth…

  • Jonny Arnett
    Jonny Arnett 9 days ago +1568

    Thank you! I've been saying this for a while as a Lakers fan... our issues are much BIGGER than Russ! We're old, tired, injured, lethargic on defense, not communicating well, etc. None of this is a surprise to me either. I remember the old super team Lakers in 2004 AND 2013, and injuries and chemistry were the issues there as well.

    Great vid as always, Jxmy!

    • Ropi Bo
      Ropi Bo 3 days ago

      @John Stays High I'm not a real supporter. I live in France, so I've had some difficulties to follow matchs. I rediscovered NBA with the brilliant game of the Warriors, but I've been catched by the Sixer's process story-telling, so I'm following the Sixers.

    • John Stays High
      John Stays High 3 days ago

      @Ropi Bo yeah I get what you’re saying bro I don’t watch enough basketball anymore to know all of the Lakers problems but I do know Lebron is only about an average 3 point shooter and AD has been worse from shooting as well. It’s a great supporting cast but westbrook kind of was just tossed in there after the trade in my opinion that team already needed shooters around lebron but they decided to add Westbrook a dude similar to Lebron (as in they do everything they can to win) but can’t shoot the Lakers are set up for disaster it’s alright for them though cause they at least won a bubble ring right lmfaooo 🤣 I passively watch basketball atm while my Thunder suck but there’s a lot to look forward to what team do you support the Lakers or another?

    • Ropi Bo
      Ropi Bo 3 days ago

      @John Stays High I don't hate Westbrook. What we know, you and I, is that there is nothing to expect from Westbrook to solve the Lakers situation : it has to come from someone else. The cash is still going to his bank account.

      I guess there are some other teams with no supporting cast where a star did some collective stuff (I guess Kidd did with the Nets). And AI and Barkley didn't play with Lebron. What you're saying is that Lebron (the "supporting cast"... omg) is not doing enough for Westbrook, what I'm saying is that Lebron is at least trying (but it could be unsolvable) and that Westbrook only does what he can do. If the actual supporting cast is not enough for Westbrook, it may be for another player : Westbrook is a big issue for the Lakers right now in this reality.

      The current collective projection of Westbrook is "I don't know" and "play harder"... it's a rookie leadership.

    • John Stays High
      John Stays High 3 days ago

      @Ropi Bo lol u clearly hate westbrook look at Ai Charles Barkley countless nba legends without championships supporting cast is 75% of the team 🤣🤣🤣

    • Ropi Bo
      Ropi Bo 3 days ago

      @John Stays High Yes, Westbrook is a victim. And right when he has good teammates, they're still not good enough (too old, not shooters enough, or I don't know), and it's exactly the time when he's old and unlucky. Westbrook is the only player in the world who is very good but just diserve better teammates ; but "better" is not enough, they have to be better especially in a specific way... wait, and it's far from being a certitude but the Lakers should do everything to check (and I guess even then Westbrook would be excused). Everybody is a problem but Westbrook, he's so good that when he's not that's because reality is a lie.

  • Bcurlee Entertainment
    Bcurlee Entertainment 7 days ago +2

    Really amazing job on this as always! If he had more games with fewer than 4 turnovers I’d think the winning percentage would go up, but either way he’s still winning. Less turnovers is always good as long as it doesn’t drop his assist numbers (less TOs might mean less passes from Westbrook)

  • Paul Darwin Picklesimer

    Great video as usual. Thanks! TD’s went up when bigs migrated to the perimeter or the bench and dumps to the post got replaced by drives and dishes or passes to three point shooters who either make it or produce a more equitable rebound opportunity.

  • John Smith
    John Smith 2 days ago +2

    Kind of disappointed you didn’t investigate whether most of Westbrick’s triple doubles were from stat padding during garbage time when his team already won, but I can see that would be a lot of games to look through. Great video and pretty interesting hot take on everything!

  • Bell D. S
    Bell D. S 6 days ago +7

    Man I remember Kevin Love had this 30-30 game and I was blown away. That's a winning stat line. But of course, there is only really one stat line that matters and its the TO ratio. And if you consider modern basketball, the 3pt percentage is almost as important as rebounding these days. I've seen teams out rebound the other but lose because the other team had a monster 3pt night.

  • Xploiterr
    Xploiterr 9 days ago +4370

    That clip where Russ walks away when bron is looking at the stat sheet is legendary

    • WeSpiced Memes
      WeSpiced Memes 4 days ago

      @Marlon Thiong hmm interesting

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      Marlon Thiong 4 days ago

      @WeSpiced Memes sometimes on Thursdays but the rest of the time I'm usually chilling

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      Mariana Juarez 5 days ago

      @Jay Nguyen 15

    • Howard Myquan
      Howard Myquan 5 days ago

      @Taurean Z Depp and now we’re saying that Bron stat pads in games🤔
      Ima leave it alone, it’s your opinion👏🏾

    • Taurean Z Depp
      Taurean Z Depp 6 days ago

      @Howard Myquan lol he's not doing nothing for team except stat pad. They got him playing at center and getting killed in paint/boards. All you Bron groupies do is look at stats and think tht tells whole story smh

  • Celia 𝐹**СК МЕ - СНЕ𝒞𝒦 𝑀𝒴 Р𝑅𝟢𝐹𝐼𝐿Е

    l remember watching this man’s videos leaving middle school. i’m a freshman in college now and he still gets better with every single video. ur a legend jimmy

  • Anthony
    Anthony 3 days ago

    Great video. Awesome take! Respectfully, basketball is a game of tempo and those who play it statistically will always lose to those who understand that winning is made in the moment. Does a tripple double help? In theory yes. In practice, not always. Having 15 dimes is awesome, but now for the next two games your secondary scoring help gonna be in a slump because he was playing off ball when he has an on-ball game. Winning is in the details, not the stats. Statistics give you a posability of a win, but winning requires the sacrifice of doing what is needed in the moment. Stats only support what was done, not that it was the right thing to do. Stay woke - don't choke 💪🏼

  • Karate Chap
    Karate Chap 7 days ago +8

    I feel like this is an oversimplification of Russ's clear stat-padding. What about the times where he's lost and come close to a triple-double. that's essentially the same as stat-padding to a triple-double and taking the L

    • Trenbone
      Trenbone 5 days ago

      Look at the big picture stop cherry picking . Data doesn't lie

  • Brian O
    Brian O 5 days ago +2

    My simple hypothesis, when Russ lowers his turnovers intentionally he does it through less passing - generating less offense as the primary ball handler, leading him off the ball & becoming less of a scoring threat on the offensive end. Russ doesn't average less turnovers from elevating his game, instead he does so when he is deferring, which would make sense since his low turnover games align with his low stat/non triple-double games. Nerf the engine and the car might move, but it certainly won't move any quicker. Russ needs to improve his assist/turnover ratio and his teams will preform much better. I'm sure team wins when Russ has a triple double and less than 5 turnovers must be overwhelmingly high.

    In fact, when Russ has a triple double and less than 5 turnovers, his teams have a win% of 73.8% less than 4 turnovers, his teams have a win% of 77.1%, less than 3 turnovers and that win% is 83%, less than 2 turnovers while getting a triple double and he is 6-1 in his career, 85.7%. Overwhelming.

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    z 8 days ago +929

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  • TWO SENSE
    TWO SENSE 7 days ago

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  • 1tmproductions
    1tmproductions 6 days ago

    Nice analysis. I know that the stats show when he has less than four turnovers the winning percentage is basically the same as his team's overall winning percentage. And the tripple doubles improve the winning percentage. So it would seem that the tripple double is very important while the turnover isn't.

    But while that does offer insight and is true as far as low turnovers; I see it in a slightly different way. I feel that his high turnovers directly affect his trouble tripple doubles. Reason being; on many of those plays where he turns the ball over, he would have scored or gotten an assist. So the tripple double could have been attainable but the turnover is what prevents it.

  • WarmGentz
    WarmGentz Day ago

    Hey Jimmy! I'm a really big fan of your videos. I've got a video idea. Do it if you like it. Do a video on fouls committed by teams respectively along with how it helped them with the games/championship or how it lost them games due to so few calls being made. I would love to see an unbiased(more so your opinion) opinion on this matter. Of course I'm biased towards my home team but i would love an indepth analysis on this. I really hope u see this message. Anyways keep making them great vids :D

  • Jar Man
    Jar Man 7 days ago +7

    Great video. The only thing I wonder about is if the triple double is more correlation than causation. Like is it that triple doubles make a winning team? Or is that just when a team is winning their stats become "prettier" as they beat the other team? Kinda paradoxical ig

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      senni bgon 5 days ago

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  • j g
    j g 8 days ago +1723

    l remember watching this man’s videos leaving middle school. i’m a freshman in college now and he still gets better with every single video. ur a legend jimmy

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      MrDemonicTaco 6 days ago

      Wow 5 years

    • BELIEVE
      BELIEVE 6 days ago

      same here, Im 25 and married now but i remember being 21 watching Jimmy

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      Siam 6 days ago

      U r

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      Vybaroonie 6 days ago +1

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      ybgtara 6 days ago

      really be like that

  • sacokhan
    sacokhan 7 days ago

    A very nice video explaining the in-depth meaning of the TD. Also, can you tell the percentage of the Team Winning when someone scored 40 or higher pls?

  • Antony Mac
    Antony Mac 3 days ago

    Great analysis. I would argue that while Russ' teams benefit from his triple doubles, it has made them playoff contenders at best. When it comes to the finer margins of winning the chip, it is not enough for the Lakers' goals. He definitely needs to clean up is turnovers.

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    peepthekicks 824 7 days ago +2

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  • Blake N.
    Blake N. 6 days ago

    Love the quality of your channel. There's just no way for me to believe Russ can raise a team's ceiling more than barely-in-the-playoffs. He's a floor raising talent with a hard cap on how much success his team can have, even more so now. His talent doesn't fit well with other talented players. That's not uncommon though. I feel the same way about lebron, Kobe, young Jordan, and many other greats but the ones who won championships are the ones who were good enough to win despite how poorly they fit with other elite players (and they still needed some very niche teammates to do it for the most part). Guys like Duncan, older Jordan, garnett, curry, bird, and magic I think have a much better approach to winning basketball. They can enhance the talent of their teammates and lead the best teams the NBA has ever seen. When they end up with the right pieces around them, you get teams like the 73 win warriors, the "beautiful game" spurs, or the '96 bulls. When you have a bunch of talented guys who don't pair well with other talented guys, you get teams like this year's Lakers or the '04 Lakers. Westbrook doesn't do anything on offense unless he has the ball (lebron can be a little like that, too but he's better about finding cuts or good spot ups) and can singlehandedly torpedo your defense. He's great for winning regular season games and selling tickets, but not for playoff basketball and now three teams have been happy to let him go try to win elsewhere.

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    Domba 8 days ago +1246

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    the way you put things into perspective changes my whole outlook on certain players. As always, Thank you.

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  • NANO
    NANO 6 days ago

    I haven't watched the video, but I can tell you already, more threes = more points + more rebounds due to greater shot difficulty and also more assists as the focus for the offense is typically on ball movement to get a player open for a three. Essentially, the three point shot having a higher focus now than ever before has inflated a lot of player's stats. So if you're a competent Guard or a Center like Jokic you can get a triple double in an easier fashion than players of the past. That being said, this doesn't diminish the triple double entirely, you still have players being a net positive for their team and generally I don't think players are chasing it every game, unless you're Westbrook, so I think in the end, the circumstances are what influence how the triple double has become more prolific.

  • Sunggo II
    Sunggo II 5 days ago

    Great videos as always jimmy! Though id like to say that there are still too many loopholes regarding the value of your premise's i.e. the opponent win percentage, team playoff percantage, defensive vs offensive rebound stats, turn over due to assist vs play, and so on.
    Not a fan of russ or any player or any team, just a supporter of nba and your videos.

  • DarkMidgit177
    DarkMidgit177 5 days ago

    Jimmy always posts the best nba videos man makes you change you perspective when he dropping facts

  • no future at all
    no future at all 3 days ago

    I'm a Wizards fan and I watched Westbrook closer for a year. He put up some of the greatest numbers I've seen in the NBA like the 20+ assists and 20+ rebounds against the Pacers and he can do it in his sleep. I think we're the team with the fastest pace last year because when Westbrook grabbed the rebound, I already expect Rui dunking on the other end. You can say he chase uncontested defensive rebounds like in free throws but he's also one of the best offensive rebounders among guards. He's jumping over seven footers.

  • timyiu98
    timyiu98 9 days ago +300

    Appreciate the video, but there’s an unaddressed issue of correlation vs causation. Just because a triple-double is correlated with winning more, does not mean it directly leads to more wins. E.g. it could be because teammates playing better makes it easier for Russ to get a triple-double. This direct jump towards an argument for causation is like saying if a lot of people open up umbrellas, it will cause rain.

    • J. H
      J. H 5 days ago

      @kxrty The problem is that he is directly saying that triple doubles are "useful" because they "cause" wins. The very thing that you admit is not true. This video is incorrect, not just incomplete.

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    • kxrty
      kxrty 8 days ago

      @Kendrick LaGOAT im saying what your saying how am I a lost cause im just saying in a less broad scenario when a trip dubs occurs there's wins. Casual fans won't understand the video if he went deep

    • Kendrick LaGOAT
      Kendrick LaGOAT 8 days ago

      @kxrty yeah you're a lost cause here have a good one

    • kxrty
      kxrty 8 days ago

      @Kendrick LaGOAT your just missing my point quit tryna act like im stupid your just not understand. Ik triple doubles don't cause the wins okay. Read what I just said again so you understand. I'm saying when a triple double happens there is usually a win. Its not the cause. But if russ gets triple double it means other factors occurred that helped them win ik that. But when a triple dub is in the stat sheet win percentages go up.

  • Holden
    Holden 2 days ago

    This is the only video essay on Russ that I've seen since KD left which actually brings some new insight to the table. You did your homework instead of falling back on media narratives. Bravo for a job well done!

  • Dave Ulrich
    Dave Ulrich 6 days ago

    This is a good breakdown of the value of the “triple double” even when it’s by guys that are known as inefficient stat chasers. The big missing piece of information that seems like it would tell the complete story of why there are so many more recorded triple doubles recently than in the past. That would be the combination of analytics and increased pace. Back when Oscar Robertson was averaging a triple double, he was the alpha on his team who demanded all things run through him on offense and the pace of the game was much higher than for example Magic and Bird were redefining the way the game was played. So between the emphasis on analytics and increased pace (which of course brings more possessions and more opportunities to get points, rebounds and assists) we see a much greater volume of triple double games by players in the league today. So the value of the stat line isn’t diminished, but the rarity of it has also changed. Great job as always by our esteemed video commentator, just thought that extra tidbit might complete the picture on this discussion.

  • Jayke Ferguson
    Jayke Ferguson 7 days ago

    jimmy your videos are the reason I and many others like me love the game of basketball

  • Fernando Rebustillo
    Fernando Rebustillo 6 days ago

    “Now hows that for empty stats” literally gave me goosebumps lol

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    𝕞𝕛 𝕩 𝕛𝕒 9 days ago +1066

    We should all appreciate jxmy doing all this researching just for us.

    • Clown DA
      Clown DA 7 days ago

      @Monkey D its both too small of a sample size and its too small of a difference

    • Monkey D
      Monkey D 8 days ago

      @Clown DA well then to be fair by your own logic, you can’t say it literally not made a difference and then say it’s too small a sample size. It’s either one or the other if it’s too small a sample size then your use of the lakers as an example is a bit of a reach considering it’s too small a sample size

    • Clown DA
      Clown DA 8 days ago

      @Monkey D dawg its too small of a sample size to even try to use that stat. plus like i said its barley a difference. (im talking about the lakers a real contending team)

    • Monkey D
      Monkey D 8 days ago

      @Clown DA you said it literally doesn’t change you’re being as misleading as these stats

    • Clown DA
      Clown DA 8 days ago

      @Monkey D apparently YOU didnt watch the video. it was a smaller sample size and even then the difference is only 4% more lmao

  • TheTEN24
    TheTEN24 6 days ago

    Great content as always my man. They’re still hard to do

  • Marco Rojas-Vazquez
    Marco Rojas-Vazquez 6 days ago

    Respect the video but I think we kind of already knew this about Russ. When everything goes right obviously it goes right and the team wins. Think you should’ve included more data about different scenarios and game situations. I want to see how good russ is in the final minutes when the team needs him to step up and how him hunting a triple double affects the team’s performance in prime time.

  • Kannaa Chockalingam
    Kannaa Chockalingam 3 days ago +2

    9:31 maybe when he dropped 40 pts he was ball hogging which led to the team's loss

  • Edidiong Edemeka
    Edidiong Edemeka 5 days ago

    I love your videos but I disagree with this one. The triple double has lost it’s value and these days it’s just stat padding. It just isn’t the same when players are playing to get a triple double instead of focusing on what their team actually needs from them. Nobody needs a 6’3/6’4 guard to get rebounds in the paint, that’s just unnecessary and it’s done solely for the stat sheet

  • Pew Pew Pandas
    Pew Pew Pandas 8 days ago +959

    My main question I'm left with is this: Are teams winning more when players get a triple double, or are players finding it easier to get triple doubles against teams they're beating. Also interested in the seemingly random increase in triple doubles. Did it happen as a result of the floor being more spread out in the 3 point era as well as the fall in defensive capabilities due to foul calls? I need more graphs Jimmy; where are the graphs?

    • Robert Carr
      Robert Carr 9 hours ago

      @ShantanU ShekhaR been thinking about it for a while now and it seems quite impossible (to distinguish). Some others have mentioned you could look at winning percentage of teams who a TD happened against, or margin of victory with TD vs without TD. Still though, it would be hard to point to which is the cause and which is the outcome with all the confounding variables. What do you think we could do to better distinguish? Interested in ur thoughts :)

    • mrmacross
      mrmacross 6 days ago

      @tntcrewEJ Double-doubles always happen, whether it be guys like Wilt or John Stockton. So the fact that Westbrook can get 10 pts/10 assists on the same night isn't at all unusual.

      What makes Westbrook's case unusual is that his teams made a concerted effort that he grabs as many defensive rebounds as possible. It's clear in stats and video that his big men box out and let Westbrook grab the defensive rebound. It's a team effort that results in Russ getting 10 rebounds a night. Russ is a good offensive rebounder, but he's consistently averaged less than 2 a night, so his double-digit boards is much in part from picking off easy defensive rebounds.

      As for the assists, that he can average 10 a night is not any sort of aberration in itself. But, his teams have solely relied on him to be the primary ballhandler, like John Stockton. Russ is pretty good, but his 10 APG usually comes at a cost of 4-5 turnovers per game, which is historically high. So, it's not like he's a better passer than a guy like CP3, he just handles the ball so much more. When Russ isn't the primary ballhandler and playmaker, like he wasn't with HOU or with LAL now, he doesn't get 10 APG a night (but he still somehow averages 4+ turnovers...).

    • RichardK Rocha
      RichardK Rocha 7 days ago

      in other words...the winning percentage presented here is an empty stat too....

    • mrmacross
      mrmacross 7 days ago

      At least theoretically, it is absolutely easier to get a triple-double in a win than in a loss. The stuff that contributes to getting rebounds is missed shots. Russ gets more than 80% of his rebounds on the defensive side, so if his opponents are missing more, then 1) Russ has more rebound opportunities and 2) his team is going to be more likely to win because the other team isn't scoring as much. Also, to get assists, your teammates need to make shots after you pass them the ball. If they keep missing shots, you get no assists. Your team also doesn't get points so it's contributing to losing.

      Really, the difference between a 30-12-12 and a 30-8-8 could be nothing more than what the other nine players on the court are doing and not what you're doing yourself.

    • O K
      O K 7 days ago

      Pretty sure the rise of the 3 is critical to the rise of the triple double much easier to get assists let alone rebounds as a guard. Also much easier to get assists as a center. A lot of teams have ball movement as a priority which helps rack up the assists as well.

  • Christopher Bolanos
    Christopher Bolanos 7 days ago

    I'm not even into to basketball and yet you always make it seem like it's complex work of art to me . Keep doing your thang brother 👍

  • Thad Donovan
    Thad Donovan 6 days ago +3

    No amount of data can overcome what I see with my eyes. Russel is NOT helping the Lakers this season.

    Still a great video!!!

  • Muhammad Shafeeq Bin Ishak

    Great video. But to make it much more in-depth, it’ll be good to look at Russ’s triple double vs the top 6 teams of each season and the win/loss %. This would show whether the triple double actually made a big difference against teams of higher caliber, (playoff teams/championship contending teams)

    • lets talk
      lets talk 4 days ago

      Russ can get a triple double anytime he wants he automatic triple double

  • rykee Rodriguez
    rykee Rodriguez 5 days ago

    Love your videos but I think this video kinda read the the numbers wrong. If the opposition is weaker and he has more opportunities for rebounds and assists the team would probably do better regardless

  • Glowz
    Glowz 9 days ago +782

    Can we all just appreciate how good this man’s videos are

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      Dan Sheshe 8 days ago

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    • jeremy
      jeremy 8 days ago +4

      @Heeeeeem “can’t we just appreciate” literally see this comment everywhere. It’s obvious people are like fishing lmfao. It’s annoying as shit.

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      Lala 8 days ago

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  • Ponterra English Academy

    There's a problem here. If triple doubles were truly that important, how come the guys that get so many aren't winning any titles? LeBron is an obvious exception.

    Westbrook and Harden can win a lot of meaningless games. But when you get to the playoffs, the triple double doesn't mean so much anymore because the pointless stat padding outweighs the good.

  • Kris Nelson
    Kris Nelson 5 days ago +1

    great video, still wouldnt pick russ over any of the other all star gaurds in the league, but i like that this video validates him. he's a generational talent

  • Hades Ares Eros
    Hades Ares Eros 7 days ago

    Great work buddy ! Very interesting to watch ur videos u put in the work and the quality is top-notch. Keep it up Jimmy👍🏼.

  • George Whitney
    George Whitney 3 days ago

    This is one of the best videos you have produced. Excellent analysis

  • Alex Siegfried
    Alex Siegfried 8 days ago +514

    One thing I think is overlooked in this video is the tie between assists and team shooting percentage. You’re more likely to get more assists if your team is
    shooting well, and if you’re shooting well you’re more likely to win. So in theory you could have the same output across two games, but depending on how your teammates shoot, you will or will not get the triple double. So it may not just be triple doubles impacting the increased win percentage, but more generally shot percentage.

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      ThaWildBoiiz 6 days ago

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    • Richie K.
      Richie K. 8 days ago

      You beat me to it, I tip my hat off to you

    • kam
      kam 8 days ago

      Not necessarily speaking on Russ I’m speaking of the triple double itself

    • kam
      kam 8 days ago +1

      The triple double allows more opportunities this is a casual statement pressure on making boards could allow someone else to grab a board or open up opportunities for more assist from other teammates things like that also boosts team morale

    • AVSIX
      AVSIX 8 days ago

      @Geoff Groner you can't just accept that getting more stats almost always leads to a win can you? just too hard huh. nope no the guy that does nothing all game but grab one rebound is more impactful some how than someone with 20, 10, 10

  • JrRanks
    JrRanks 4 days ago

    Definitely made me appreciate Westbrook a lil more but the main point is that he just doesn’t make winning plays when it matters in the playoffs and turns the ball over way too much. Other than that he can continue to rack up all the triple doubles he wants, I just want him to make winning plays when it matters the most. That’s all

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  • Cyril Media
    Cyril Media 7 days ago +1

    "A player can have a great game and still lose" ...Jimmy.. still adding some Joker context this season

  • Jonsuperman
    Jonsuperman 5 days ago

    I don’t say this often, but this might be the first time i can honestly say Jimmy may have missed the mark. Stat padding is way easier in games that you’ve won/are winning, which explains why he wins more in games he has a triple double. More defensive rebounds can be the result of the other team simply missing more. Advanced Stats and the Eye Test tell me that Russ just isn’t a championship point guard. He’s a box office show. And that’s okay.

  • Jordan Hill
    Jordan Hill 8 days ago +619

    Also a correlation between high rebound numbers and the rise of 3 point shooting. Because the league became so 3 pt orientated it was easier for guards to stock up on long rebounds from missed 3's

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    • Wort Krämer
      Wort Krämer 8 days ago +1

      @Jordy Shujaa My first thought exactly. Also: Won games = mostly more points/assists overal + in some cases more "garbage time" where you can play mostly for the stats.

    • Jordy Shujaa
      Jordy Shujaa 8 days ago +9

      Finally found people who know a bit of statistics. You'd think Jimmy would know the difference between correlation and causation... Just because he gets a triple double doesn't mean it's the reason they win. Think of it in this way: why would 20-8-9 have a different effect than 20-10-10. It's an extremely arbitrary number and I would be shocked if it's a reliable predictor for if a team will win. Rebounds are dependend on Russ. It's established that those were given to him by his teammates. The most difficult aspect of the triple double are assists, as they depend on Russ' teammates hitting their shots. Russ' getting 10+ assists is an indication of how well his teammates are scoring because of his huge usage rate. Everytime Russ passed the ball, his teammates were expected to just shoot it. If they don't hit their shot, Russ doesn't get an assist.

      I would look at his teammates' stats when they win with Russ getting his Trip dub's and when they lose and Russ doesn't get a trip dub. I will bet my left nut it's because they shot the ball worse. You have to look at a lot more factors to determine causal effects...

    • Bryan Wong
      Bryan Wong 8 days ago +1

      and also higher assist number correlates with high number of shots

    • Ang Maria
      Ang Maria 8 days ago +1

      Definitely a factor, the game being more faster than before and more shots attempted means more rebound stat as well as assists. Having double digit statline becomes inflated basically. But the video shows that triple doubles are still good indication of a good player because they still give more winrate than having no triple double

  • Mr. William
    Mr. William 3 days ago

    A lot of assists aren't as impressive when you have a bunch of turnovers and the same goes for scoring. Scoring a bunch isn't great if you shoot a low percentage. The problem with Russ is he does both. Averaging a bunch of turnovers and bad shooting percentages. He needs to improve in at least 1 of those areas for his triple doubles to become more meaningful again.

  • Paranoia Keeps Me Wake
    Paranoia Keeps Me Wake 7 days ago +3

    I highly enjoyed the video but remember correlation is not causation. We can't attribute Westbrook's winning to his triple doubles without setting up an experiment. That being said the correlative data seems to strongly *imply* overall success.

    • Witty Username
      Witty Username 6 days ago +1

      Yeah there are a few possible confounding variables. It is not as clear cut as triple double -> more likely to win. For instance, it might be the opposite. If you are playing a horrible team worse than yours, you are more likely to win. Because the team is horrible, you also perform better because the team is not as good. A team with bad defenders creates more assists for you. Bad shooters on the other team create more rebounds. Bad rebounders on the other team create more points, assists, and rebounds for you.

      Also another possible confounding variable is the NBA rule change in 2018 that made the shot clock go to 14 seconds after a offensive rebound instead of the usual 24. 2018 was the year of the big increase in triple doubles. The season this was implemented the NBA hit an all-time high in average rebounds per game of 45. This has been the highest since 1978 (the era of tall players mostly). This change bumped everyone rebounds and assists numbers up because the ball cycles more. So if a team that was going to win anyway (with or without the rule change) had a solid player who was going to get a 15/8/6 stat line, this player stat line just got boosted to a triple-double because as we know: a shorter clock creates more ball changes and more ball changes create more assists and points (which also hit all-time highs since the 70s in 2018).

      I advise everyone to compare the per game stats for the seasons after 2018-2019 to the seasons before 2018-2019 and see what I mean by that.

  • Tymek Chyliński
    Tymek Chyliński 4 days ago +1

    In both cases when Russel had and didn't have triple duble he has big impact on the game. When he had triple duble everything was cool But when he didn't team was losing and in the both cases he was trying af to get that stat pad. Look at those first 3 years especialy 2016-2017 when the all hype with td begin. Now in the lakers team he is playing awful and he don't have same impact on the game as he did in those "Thunder years".. Look at the Rockets also.. The smaller influence on the game he has, the greater independence of the team from his statline is. So it works in both ways

    (English its not my first language so sorry if I made a mistake)

  • Chris Darcy
    Chris Darcy 7 days ago +1

    This man deserves millions for his work, love jxmmy from the NBA fanbase ❤️

  • CYMotorsport
    CYMotorsport 8 days ago +601

    8:13 that’s bc statistically this isn’t exhaustive. Compare RW’s offensive numbers when he has less than 4 turnovers. There’s a statistically significant difference in his output and triple double rate. Not to mention, team spread. When contribution by player is analyzed, when a team has another player with similar outputs, the numbers change. Triple doubles pop when he failed to have a co star averaging atleast 16ppg. And when he does, look at the win/loss ratio OVERLAID with that co star’s performance. It paints a grim picture that a linear analysis can’t capture. He’s an offensive black hole. There’s a reason one of the most prolific offense players of a generation lacks an NBA title.

    • Eri Ojewale
      Eri Ojewale 3 days ago

      @• fLatPLuTo • no nobody likes Lebron fans bc it’s apparently criminal to support a player other than Jordan lol. If the guy lied in his statements fair enough but where is the exaggeration he is simply stating things lebron has done nobody’s saying brons a superhero that would be an exaggeration. Hate to burst your bubble but if he stated a fact then it’s not exaggeration. IF.

    • Ajay E
      Ajay E 7 days ago

      @CYMotorsport they only started their investigation a day or two ago I think, knowing how the FIA are it could take a while. Will probs end up finding no significant fault or manage to excuse it in some way to save face 🙄 oh you hear masi won’t be race director anymore? Hopefully he takes all the bad practice that’s been happening with him…so still a bit of a wait for more content from you then. I know it’ll be worth it and sounds like you do have something lined up, looking forward to watching it, crazy yankee

    • CYMotorsport
      CYMotorsport 8 days ago

      @Ajay E hopefully they conclude their investigation from Abu Dhabi soon. My little birdies tell me masi has/will be sacked there’s an insider scoop for you. Legally I’ll wait til the new administration to post their conclusion so I don’t have to speculate given the implications of the ruling and what I have to talk about

    • CYMotorsport
      CYMotorsport 8 days ago

      @Shokann i can’t speak for him but it sounded like he was trying to defend Russ from blind hate with slander he’s a stat chaser. In principle I couldn’t agree more. With the idea of defending Russ and that it’s dumb he’s stat chasing. He wasn’t wrong with his numbers either. They are all true. But it just happens the data is conflicting at best about his triple doubles when considered whollisticslly . But the idea Russ contribution should be diminished rightfully should be defended. I just couldn’t help myself. I too love this channel and think it’s one of the best here. It’s the only one that could have me open a program and run maths on a sport that doesn’t involve an engine

    • CYMotorsport
      CYMotorsport 8 days ago

      @Hunter Raphial ? That wasn’t a throwaway. It was about the sentences that precluded it mate

  • Azul
    Azul 6 days ago

    Could the rise of triple doubles also be accounted for a more iso-centric NBA? Mainly because if they overall are benefitial to a team, wouldn't teams rather have someone who can make these stat-lines achievable?

  • hyperbomb02
    hyperbomb02 6 days ago

    So I had a little thought while watching this video, but didn't look into it, but I convinced myself to do it at work. My thought is that while Westbrook has a winning rate in these games, that they would all come mostly against losing teams.
    On his MVP season, I went through the first 40 games, not looking at win/loss of TDs, but the teams he was getting them against. Out of the first 40, he had 19 TDs, of those 19 games, 10 were below .500 teams, and 4 were .500 teams or +/- 2 games from .500. 5 were actual good winning teams. 18 out of 30 teams were .500 or above that season (Den excluding but they were -2). Statistically speaking Westbrook's TD should skew more even between below and above 500 teams.
    And this isn't completely a Westbrook situation, I looked a LBJ for the same year just as a precursor and it seems his TD usually come mostly against a losing team as well.

    Maybe Triple Doubles in general have fooled us all. The idea being that the team wasn't going to lose that rebound or assist if Westbrook (or LBJ) wasn't making the play.

  • Rafael psilos
    Rafael psilos 6 days ago

    Great video, I do think you kind of are painting the wrong picture What if it’s more about them as a team on the verge of winning or just playing beatable teams
    where these players are able to achieve these triple doubles it would be interesting to see if they didn’t have those triple doubles how these games would turn out. I do definitely think a triple double is a great stat and a great achievement and I do think it helps your team win some games but I don’t think it deserves as much credit as it has been getting for example you talk about Russell Westbrook having won 56% of his games in the last five seasons and that in 71% of those games he’s had a triple double all that really shows me is that the teams hes played for have lived and died by his doing, having him as a one or two option or even just having him run the offense is definitely a little tricky if you want to win basketball games if I am depending on him to produce a triple double for the team to win then something is wrong

  • Justin Brown
    Justin Brown 5 days ago

    I think a lot of his rebounds come from his teammates allowing him to catch the ball off the rim and push the tempo. A lot of his assists come from these same plays as he sprints up the court where nobody can stop in transition. And after a few good passes he gets a few easy buckets. This is the game plan and If this its working he gets a triple double they win games. If it's not they lose games and no triple double. I don't think it's a conclusive study but it definitely changed how I look at it

  • Raey Admasu
    Raey Admasu 5 days ago

    One thing you fail to mention is that when a team is on course to win the game they tend to focus on other objectives like completing a tripple-double for their star player. Don't confuse correlation with causation.

  • ZachDaHater1
    ZachDaHater1 6 hours ago

    I think triple doubles are more common simply due to having more highly competent shooting and scoring teammates and also 3 pointers causing longer rebounds for guards and forwards to grab.

  • Kristopher Stewart
    Kristopher Stewart 5 days ago

    I’ve been watching this triple double phenomenon like everybody else. And at the very least Westbrook’s triple doubles are empty stats. They don’t affect winning or losing honestly

  • Ian Makamara
    Ian Makamara 6 days ago

    There’s quite a few questions that need to be asked of your data analysis (respectfully of course)

    1. On Russel Westbrook’s winning percentage during triple doubles. Did you take into account strength of schedule when Russ recorded a triple double? (A triple double against a team like the 2017 Suns may not be indicative of Russ’s triple doubles being a winning element but more of the Suns being a horrible team).
    Second, a very big determinant of likelihood of a triple double is playing time. Therefore another missing set of data would be how many times Russ was on track for a triple double, but didn’t play his usually 33-37 minutes because his team was getting blown out (granted this number may be insignificant at the end of the day)

    2. On the winning percentage with Russ’s turnovers being above 4. The number used as a control in this instance isn’t very indicative of the difference between low turnover and high turnover games for Russ. Given that over the past 8 years he’s averaged around 4.5 turnovers per game, you’re essentially using his average game by setting 4 as the control. And the statistics show this seeing as the control you have used doesn’t vary too much from Russ’s total win percentage within the entire selected time frame. Much better statistics would be gotten from stratifying the win percentage from 0-2 turnovers, 3-4 turnovers, 4-6 turnovers and then 6+.

  • kissipher944272
    kissipher944272 8 days ago +284

    I would love to see the correlation between the increase in 3 point shooting and the triple double. Are players getting more chances at rebounds based on increased missed shots? Has league apathy towards defense lead to increased scoring; leading to more assists? Might be also interesting to see what statistical category leads in the most "almost" triple doubles. Most likely its due to players now are more gifted and coached to play all parts of the game. Love the video as always!

    • kissipher944272
      kissipher944272 6 days ago

      @M_J S So this was my first guess, and after looking it up, possession have increased on average since the 90s. However, the average number of possessions is only JUST NOW getting back to what is was around the 60s?! So if the pace of play is catching back up to what is was back when the Celtics were winning ring after ring, how come the triple doubles have dramatically increased only now?

    • ThaWildBoiiz
      ThaWildBoiiz 6 days ago

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    • Horeea
      Horeea 8 days ago

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    • Max O
      Max O 8 days ago

      I haven’t done any research, but increased 3s most likely means longer rebounds on misses which gives the 1-3 more chances of getting rebounds while out on the perimeter

    • SammyTV
      SammyTV 8 days ago

      Yes especially makes it easier for guards to get rebounds because missed 3s result in longer rebounds

  • Ethan Spira
    Ethan Spira 7 days ago +1

    The question I have is that is it Russell Westbrook getting a triple double that is really what is impacting the game, or is it his teammates shooting better that lead the team to score and more gain him more assists? If more points doesn’t matter (as you state) and we assume rebounds are constant, is it teammate field goal percentage or Russ’ actual passing that is the difference maker in these games? I think this is something you need to control for and look into more.

    • Che Julian
      Che Julian 7 days ago

      In Oklahoma City Russ was literally getting a triple double a preponderance of the time and he had basically no shooters. His slashing and feeding to Steven Adams kept the defense on their toes and then he would pass to the occasional open wing here and there, but generally it equated to winning basketball.

  • Steven Thao
    Steven Thao 5 days ago

    It’s interesting you brought up Steph Curry in this video because he might also be a factor in why there are more triple doubles. Steph increased the value of shooting so there are less bigs clogging up the paint, leading to more rebounds by players that typically wouldn’t get them.

  • Quin Kelley Jr.
    Quin Kelley Jr. 7 days ago +2

    5:47 so his weakness was basketball 😂😂😂😂😂

  • Andrew Needham
    Andrew Needham 5 days ago

    Think about it, the triple double is anywhere from a 40-80 point stat, depending on the points put up. 10 assists? 20 to 30 points. 10 rebounds? That's 10 times you put up an extra shot, or kept your opponent from scoring at least, so another 10-20 points. Then there's the at least 10 points you made, and more likely 20-30.

  • AeroBlox Games
    AeroBlox Games 9 days ago +544

    The effort he puts into charts are unimaginable
    Edit: I'm not being 100% serious with this comment, so please don't take this seriously. But I know for a fact he spends hours making these videos for us so we have to appreciate him

    • Josh Schubiner
      Josh Schubiner 8 days ago

      That is only true for Russ. The majority the time they win

    • Real_MotherFU*ckerupper
      Real_MotherFU*ckerupper 8 days ago

      thexvid.com/video/A9QtjK2rPCI/video.html

    • Noah Di Luca
      Noah Di Luca 8 days ago

      @Cris Bernabe 100%. If Russ goes for a triple double every game he’s obviously gonna win more when he gets one cause his passes and rebounds were working. But that doesn’t mean his team wouldn’t be more successful if he wasn’t trying to get them to begin with.

    • Cris Bernabe
      Cris Bernabe 8 days ago +5

      @Nick Bates This is most casual video I ever seen. That completely disregards the complaint of chasing a “triple double” Where’s the chart he forcing stats because he’s one rebound away from a triple double? Hence a L. If anyone sees the lakers season today, and just says Westbrook needs more triples doubles. They are a idiot.

    • Ryan Sentenial
      Ryan Sentenial 8 days ago +6

      Jimmy puts time into his videos, but to say this is "unimaginable" is a reach. In high school and college, you're gonna be doing similar things anyways. Perhaps you're young, which would make sense.

  • Returning Cavaliers Fan Since 7/1/2018 #BelieveLand

    There’s two problems here:
    1. Playoffs which you completely avoided
    2. Competition played when the player got the triple double. It’s very easy to say “triple doubles more often than not lead to a win” compared to “30 points more often than lead to a win”. If you’re dropping 30 points in a loss, it was most likely against a contender/playoff team.

  • nick nick
    nick nick 6 days ago

    My thought was always that the rise of the 3 pointer in mid 2010s is what lead to this truple double surge, no longer are rebounds just under the ring they are flying all over the place, and the quicker players are getting them, ie guards.
    They are show of hustle I think

  • Tyler Chauvet
    Tyler Chauvet 7 days ago +1

    The questionable stat in a triple double is always the point total. Rebounds help your team generate possessions, which translate to shot opportunities, Assists are weighted in a strange way, a guy slashing and drawing a second defender then kicking it to an open teammate for a dunk or layup is the same as a swing pass leading to a slightly less uncontested shot then you had. And points, well lots of points aren't always good, good points are linked to efficient scoring, If a guy shoots 50+% that's awesome, If he's chucking up shots and hitting a low percent well those are hollow. Because there were many more players on the court that night who hit shots at a better click but had less points. When I look at a triple double, I always rank Rebounds>Assists (because your teammate scored off it meaning it was an efficient play)>Points (guys can get a lot of points and have bad games)

  • Dominic Augello
    Dominic Augello 7 days ago

    Pretty compelling argument. My only thought is that I think you also should've showed when Russ gets more than 4 turnovers or less than 40 points. Then we can see if it truly doesn't matter much or if it takes that much just to keep his teams average.

  • Daryce Jones
    Daryce Jones 9 days ago +334

    The phrase "you learn something new everyday" is proven every time Jxmy drops a video, keep up the good work

    • Aaron Peters
      Aaron Peters 8 days ago

      You need to unlearn it.

      It's generally about Westbrook averaging half his teams assists.

      For example. In his 16-17 season.

      Thunder team assists (20.1). 25th in the league.

      Westbrook averaged 10.4 of those.

      When you have such a high usage rate and % of your teams assists. Wins will correlate well with assist totals

      Record by Westbrook assist total.
      5 or less (2-7), 6-9 (7-16), 10-13 (26-9), 14+ (12-3).

      Additionally, if the opposing team is missing more shots. You will have more rebound opportunities and a better chance to win the game.

      Especially longer shots are taken. As this means guards have a better chance to get the longer rebound/miss. This doesn't even include the anecdotal antics he would pull to get those extra boards.

    • Lala
      Lala 8 days ago

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      Real_MotherFU*ckerupper 8 days ago

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      Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu gana taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. ''Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt'' dep oylodu arstan.
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      O l i v i a 🖤 9 days ago

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      tricks I do not know
      Megan: "Hotter"
      Hopi: "Sweeter"
      Joonie: "Cooler"
      Yoongi: "Butter

      So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
      Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
      Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
      Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
      Dene: '' Muzdak ''
      Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
      Aç köz arstan
      Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.

      Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
      Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾

      They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising

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  • Steven D. Ton
    Steven D. Ton 7 days ago +1

    I think in Westbrook case you should dive deeper into playoffs and regular season win shares. Probaly his triple-double win his team many regular season games but it's not the same story in playoffs.

  • Benjamin Upchurch
    Benjamin Upchurch 5 days ago

    I’d like to see how it affects playoff performance. My problem with the triple double is that often it creates a heliocentric offense that is too easy to game plan for in a 7 game season.

    • Benjamin Upchurch
      Benjamin Upchurch 5 days ago

      @senni bgon Sorry not sure I understand

    • senni bgon
      senni bgon 5 days ago

      because it is a great game as opposed to a personal goal for the game.

  • Mo Touré
    Mo Touré 7 days ago

    Damn this man did his research this the best ball vid analysis I've seen in a while 👏🏾👏🏾

    • val johnson
      val johnson 7 days ago

      nah hes all mixed up on this one. westbrook gets his triple doubles most often against weak teams. thats why they are wins. because they are against weak teams.

  • Ropi Bo
    Ropi Bo 4 days ago

    Westbrook's triple-doubles are good for a team with Westbrook, and Westbrook's turnovers are not relevant for a team with Westbrook. We could know something else : it is good to trade Westbrook for CP3. So the question remains : is it ok to have Westbrook in the team with his contrat and the importance to get these triple-doubles and the irrelevance of turn-overs which come with him ? isn't it a good idea to have a player for whom turnovers are relevant and triple-doubles not so much ?

  • chris
    chris 9 days ago +131

    I feel like it’d make more sense to look for patterns between triple doubles and box plus minus. Just something feels off comparing win-loss records to triple doubles, there is not an inherent cause/effect relationship there. It’d also make sense to normalize his stat line with like per 36 mins and pace of play. Do all these rebounds equal points and how often vs when other players rebound? Idk it seems much deeper than the video makes it out to be

    • ThaWildBoiiz
      ThaWildBoiiz 6 days ago

      💯I’m still shocked this happened 💀😲🥶🔥 ‼️thexvid.com/video/Kbk-ayUxT70/video.html ‼️‼️

    • val johnson
      val johnson 7 days ago

      yeah he missed on this one. when your team is making their shots you will get more assists than when they are missing. and when the other team is missing a lot of shots its easier to get rebounds. so it makes sense that it would be easier to get a triple double when your team is playing better than the other team.

    • Lala
      Lala 8 days ago

      Only for fans over 18 years old BUNNYGIRLSS.SITE 👈

      tricks I do not know
      Megan: "Hotter"
      Hopi: "Sweeter"
      Joonie: "Cooler"
      Yoongi: "Butter

      So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
      Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
      Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
      Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
      Dene: '' Muzdak ''
      Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
      Aç köz arstan
      Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.

      Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
      Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾

      They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising

      💗❤️💌💘

    • kxrty
      kxrty 8 days ago +1

      There is no need to go deeper a 30 point triple double can cause over 50 points for the team not including freethrows. And how often do players that score 50 lose. The triple double is just creating points

    • Robert Bryant
      Robert Bryant 8 days ago

      All I know is Teams like Mj and the bulls, magic and Lakers, bird and Celtics won slot of games without tripple doubles every night. You can always find stats that fit your desired outcome. And as far as Russ goes tripple doubles may have or may not have helped him win games, but 100 percent what they haven't done is win him a chip. And thats should be the only thing that matters

  • ImBarryScottCSS
    ImBarryScottCSS 6 days ago +1

    All the problems with the triple double go away if you understand advanced stats and adjust for pace/possessions etc... It's not that the triple double isn't useful, it's that unadjusted box scores aren't useful.

  • Gokay
    Gokay 7 days ago

    I believe you have missed to mention that how the game changed and everybody is shooting 3's at all times which increases bloated rebound and assist stats, essentially how everything is a faul in the league increased offensive players increasing the point average as well. In conclusion, triple double means a lot less than what is used to be.

  • Renato Enger
    Renato Enger Day ago

    0:46 has me dead all the time 🤣🤣

  • canadianbakn
    canadianbakn 6 days ago

    I think there's a pretty big error in stats here - he's much more likely to get a triple double when facing weaker opponents. You need to somehow control for how good the opposing team is to fairly evaluate how effective the triple doubles are, there's going to be a natural bias towards weaker opponents.

  • Daniel Ally
    Daniel Ally 8 days ago +240

    Giddey will easily be a 20/10/10 guy soon.

    • Mr. Thermite
      Mr. Thermite 7 days ago

      I think prolly 17/7/8

    • ctoaun23
      ctoaun23 8 days ago +1

      @AskMeWhy yeah it's perfectly reasonable to expect a raw 19 year old rookie to get worse as he develops his game... Wait what? Nice bait though! I bit, haha

    • AskMeWhy
      AskMeWhy 8 days ago

      more like triple single in the next coming seasons.

    • anarcho-pacquiaoist dissident
      anarcho-pacquiaoist dissident 8 days ago +1

      naw once defenses adjusts around him he'll be around Julius Randle level.

    • Lala
      Lala 8 days ago

      Only for fans over 18 years old BUNNYGIRLSS.SITE 👈

      tricks I do not know
      Megan: "Hotter"
      Hopi: "Sweeter"
      Joonie: "Cooler"
      Yoongi: "Butter

      So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
      Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
      Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
      Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
      Dene: '' Muzdak ''
      Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
      Aç köz arstan
      Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.

      Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
      Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾

      They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising

      💗❤️💌💘