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It's maybe worth noting that Brian K. Vaughan has written Mystique in two different storylines -- and in one, when asked about being a part of The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, she replies with something like, "It was meant to be ironic, idiot." In the other, she's characterized by someone else as, "a woman who once led a group named -- not ironically, mind you -- The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants." I may not be getting the quotes 100%, but it's interesting that even her understanding of cultural tropes has changed with time's passing.
Romanov Mystique was amazing and my 10 year old self loved her, i was so turned off by the Jannifer Lawrance version that i never saw the new movies..
In the movie Xmen 2, Someone says, about Mystique: "She's good" and Magneto replies: "Oh you have no idea..." If that is not a sexual reference, I don't know what is.
she mentored rouge
They were just banking on the Jennifer Lawerence trend which nobody asked for.
My name IS Paul and this is between 'yall.
X2 best X-Men movie, then first class and finally Days of a Future Past
Logan is the best xmen movie
I was waiting for her, Rebecca's Mystique is awesome😍
Rebecca's mystique was amazing.I'm glad you gave her credit.You missed the moment in X2 when Magneto implies that they are boning. I wonder what you would have made of it." Wolvy : she's goodMagneto : You have noooo idea " The director confirmed that it was a hint.
Even with Lindsay's insightful commentary layered over a condensed franchise, this excruciating dreck of cartoon-world identity opera is 15 minutes of my life I'll never get back. But you never know, until you try once.
Mystique had to be a principle because she was paying off her used 2001 Ford fiesta, also her cat is sick
I'm surprised there was no comment on the decision to have her running around naked in the movies.
Cole Hartel exactly!! That bothered me so much especially because her comics costume is so cool.
The best thing about first class is it's the only piece of media in the entire xmen franchise that actually explains the roots of the xavier/magneto relationship, and why these two men on opposite sides of an ideological war still love each other.
So, a note about the third X-men movie. Mystique was actually leading them into a trap when she was supposedly "giving them everything". How exactly does that make sense in terms of character motivations for her and Magneto? I have no idea, but that's probably why we don't see any "struggling with new identity".
+TonkarzOfSolSystem When? I remember the Hell hath no fury line and the it was a trap line but when did the bad guys say "ha ha! Our evil plan worked!"?I mean, I happened to watch it yesterday.
+James Neave Except the "trap" part was explicitly described in the movie. It's not an inference. Yes Magneto seemed really clear, and that's why I said it is a mystery how any of it makes sense in terms of motivations.
Well, you've inferred that.It's not stated and could be coincidence.Erik was blunt about it, goodbye you're not one of us.Pre-boot mystique was pretty one dimensional though, skillful bad guy with useful plot skill of being a mimic.I felt really sorry for her when she hit on Logan and got rebuffed. But the continual pretending that somehow blue-mystique is ugly or shunned is ridiculous.Although Charles' "bloody hell put something on" was good. Obviously in the real world, walking around naked would probably be the larger problem.
Lindsey maybe BEACAUSE there's women who DO use sexuality as a means to dupe men, Mystique is believable in that aspect cuz it has a basis in actual reality.
What got this video marked as inappropriate exactly? YT makes no sense.
Atari she’s naked like, the entire video, also, it’s YT, what do you expect?
the "Epic Movie" clip is inappropriate for all sentient audiences.
I don't think I wanted or needed to know about the carmen electra one brb while I get the taste of vomit off my laptop
They're making a Phoenix movie. Hopefully it will do Jean justice.
X2 Mystique is vastly superior
My dear, you are amazing! I'm so glad I found you via the Black Nerd collaboration. Good work!
I know I'm like... two years late but hear me outWhen you were talking about X-Men Evolution you missed a golden opportunity to use an Empire Strikes Back joke.
How many storm troopers does it take to change a light bulb?
+Joey Wheeler Oh, I know. I was just being a jerk at the time. It's been a reeeally long while since these Loose Canon videos were first released
+Dr. Forrester I'm going by the upload date, which was roughly two years ago.
Lol, you're a lot later than two years
X3 was so awful...
yeahh.. I think that's why I dont like that version, it's like Emma Watson making Belle more like her.
I still don't see a great deal of sequential art as literature.
is this your like Academic™ edgy way of saying "comics suck loool"
Jennifer is a trash mystique, id even go as far as to say that she is a trash actor in general, her costars are the only reason she does well in a role.
Jordan Hodson damn well that's harsh.
I thought she did great in First Class, and I'm not even a J-Law fan.
Yet she has a mega fanbase who would pay anything just to see her face, I don't like her either,
This trope will never go away while female Homo sapiens in this culture have a higher average EQ than the male (and IQ so long as contact sports are a thing). Higher EQ plus basic human selfishness results in the trope. No misogyny required though its sure as hell often piled on top.
" Higher EQ..." What can I say, I like to be at least 1500 HZ.
So, not going to touch Superia with a 10' double headded dildo? I mean, I agree with everything you say about Mystique, and embodying all the villainess archetypes, but Superia is a literal Feminazi.
In all fairness, the majority of people feel the need to be appear physically attractive and normal to the gender they are attracted to.
WHY IS SHE NAKED AND SCALY AND GREASY THO
+Cole Hartel it wasn't total body paint though. You can clearly see the outline of her bra and panties...which makes it even more weird imo because why tf does Mystique inexplicably have no vagina, buttcrack, butthole, or nipples?
+Kairi Ali Because they could use the suggestion of Rebecca Romijn being naked as titillation, all the while pretending that body-paint counts as clothing so no R rating. Bear in mind that this was still a couple of years before Christina Aguilera's video for Dirrty was widely considered shockingly pornographic, and you get more sense of how this could be used as the exciting tease of forbidden fruit. It's the film makers saying to all the boys "Don't you wish you could see her naked? Well, we're going to show you just enough that you know we got to see her naked while making this film, so you can imagine that!"
Lucas Carine I figured if somebody can morph an outfit, like her or Dr Manhattan, who needs clothes. YET still in every version since first class, 60s70s80s90s she was clothed so why nudist in year 2000.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
they explained it in First Class
X-Men 3 sucks, probably tied for the worst X-Men movies with Wolverine (Crap DeadPoolZombieThing).
I brought the trades for Mystique solo series recently. It was actually really good.
and also dont forget the comic where she had a gf. :)
Almost all of them?? Destiny
I've seen Apocalypse like 25 times and not once did it occur to me to think that Jennifer Lawrence was "checked out"... (This is me disagreeing with Lindsay Ellis for once btw...)
Then you're clearly blinded by fangirlism
I just found Apocalypse to be pretty mediocre in every sense. It's almost down there with X3, as far as Im concerned. And yes, Jennifer was one of the reasons, for sure.
JLaw never worked as Mystique anyway. She's too stiff.
+Cazxiro :: Yeah, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm sorry that wrecked X-Men for you. That doesn't change my view though.
BakoymaTravels Are you kidding me? She phoned the shit out of it. I was absolutely appalled. Mystique is one of my favorite characters and not only was the portrayal of her bad in terms of writing but it felt like Jennifer honestly was just completing her contractual obligation.
Oh my god thanks for the vivid flashbacks to the super hero squad show
I feel like you're giving wolverine and the x men to little credit.
Have you done Baroness? Please do Baroness.
I don't think the "what do you really want" line was unintentionally funny. I think it was a blatant joke.
I thought the point of that bit was mystique playing on Logan’s desire to learn more about Stryker. Pretty obvious tbh.
The scene was written as a dramatic moment. In the trailers, it was cut to show Storm and Logan as a thing. In context it was edited into a WTF, obsessive, pseudo homoerotic moment. The fact that some folks think it was a blatant joke proves Lindsay's point. Lol
Marvel has a multiverse theory on plot lines, so they are all sort of convoluted in how they interact
3:48 that.... that must have benn ... the logistics of that are.... then again we have got like Irish wolf hounds crossed with chihuahuas... but still ... also do you think shes into pegging ?
13:07 never heard of rule 34 then either huh :P
12:48 um... has she never heard of furries?
5:07 Charles the mind rapist.... uncool bruh uncool
4:33 she so cool i want to be her
a lot of Ellis' essays are fascinating and provide interesting historical or film literacy lessons., Unfortunately so many of these analyses of superhero movies by her leave me feeling like it was watching a philharmonic orchestra play the happy birthday song, or a neurosurgeon being called into to remover a splinter- such a waste on something so unworthy of this much thought.
Bob Fischer Even superhero media transfer ideas and coding from person to person as though they were conversations: “Think this, do this, act like this, and these shall be your rewards or consequences.” Any genre is up for discussion, and I feel like a philharmonic orchestra can make the Happy Birthday song engaging and interesting. The neurosurgeon, the rocket scientist, the savant can remove a splinter. The video essayist can include a topic of discourse from a piece of media that doesn’t seem to have merit to some, yet in her own creativity, she transforms it into entertainment while pulling water from a rock. It’s why she’s a compelling essayist. She concocted a discussion originating from paper and colored ink disguised as superhero cartoons.
I once heard a reviewer address this very point:"I don't really like the idea that you can 'think too hard about' or 'read too much into' something, particularly when that something is entertainment. Yes, there are lots of movies, and tv shows, and books, and music, that aren't meant to be regarded for any kind of thematic depth, but that doesn't mean you can't do it. For me, the best frivolous entertainments are the ones that actually do hold up if-and-when you take a deeper look at them; in fact, I think that's usually the reason why the ones that endure do endure."With that in mind, let's talk about The Beverly Hillbillies."thexvid.com/video/sclo0mngecs/video.html
Try not giving superhero movies to much credit.
Please don't tell me you're one of those people who had a problem with the billboard. "A man is choking a woman. Oh my god" It's the villain choking a hero. It shouldn't matter what the sex of the character is.
+theshadowcircus - right. That marketing campaign was shit. I LOVE Oscar Isaac but he's just too short to pull off the role with SFX. Not to mention the suit design they dropped in lieu of what he wore. The script was all over the place and written around Lawrence as a hero. SMH. So much potential. Wasted...
The comment wasn't about feminism. I'm pretty sure she was talking about how they used the hell out of jlaw to promote the movie.
They would never show a man choking another man in that way. Really it would make more sense to show apocalypses power if he were choking beast or something, but in movies it’s always a giant hulking male figure choking a tiny woman and when u realize that it does come off as some sort of weird sexual power fantasy
afrotiffy What? Why not? Violence is at the centerpiece of this type of movies, why shouldn't the billboard reflect that?
Yes, it shouldn't (edit: matter). But it does, and that's a problem.
She's honestly the character who got me into loving shapeshifter characters.
Its not misogynistic to have evil female archetype. There are plenty of evil male archetypes and noone consider this sexist in any way.
+Sammathnar That still is ridiculous... this is the typical garbage that is sinking the left... thanks.
but even so i think its worth mentioning that females using subterfuge as their weapon could be based just as much through pragmatism than sexism. at the very least heterosexual males tend to trust more, its why internet scammers tend to pretend to be attractive women even when theyre not. its simply more beneficial for female characters to be duplicitous compared to male characters
+Xyzzy i Uncommon, as in men and women are pretty similar in their relationship goals and they do this about the same amount
+Fetero Common, as in they only do it 25% or something?
The evolution reveal is funny after all this time.cyclops: Principal Darkethorn your Mystique apparently she decided to phone it in and just use her real name for her principal disguise.
I liked the comic storyline that shows wolverine and mystique meet during the wild west. But I think that is time skipped to the present. I would have loved to see wolverine and mystique, and I think sabertooth also, adventures in the wild west.
9:00 Wasn't the "woman scorned" betrayal a double cross to help Magneto?True fans may now troll this comment to educate me.
technically a triple cross
To be fair, the "Woman Scorned" stereotype still fits in the double cross because it's what we all expected from her.
6:11Destiny was a pretty big thing in the comics though. She and Mystique did raise Rogue together, though of course Rogue did remember them, and they were both pretty attached to her. She also had a few plots in the OG run, I remember one was basically some big-ass scavenger hunt that was 2deep4u because Destiny.Comic Destiny was old as balls though and she and Mystique were, uh, "best friends" there too. Everyone tends to forget her but she was actually pretty important for a while and I really liked her as a character.
Yeah what the fuck.. like how do you miss that??
Why don't you like First Class?? I love that movie! It's my favourite X-Men movie.
Yeah I didn't like Jennifer Lawrence but everything else was fantastic!
It's better than the first three X-Men movies at the very least
on page post main 3 x-men mystique is great, too bad they couldnt have gotten someone who can actually act, is good looking, and fits the character to play her. oh well
x3 is AWESOME! all these clips you are showing are great, dont know what you are watching. yall just dont get it. raven = human name just like tom = white man name i.e. SLAVE name cause you know our culture was taken from us and european culture including names were FORCED upon us just like human culture is forced onto mutants. its so relateable and understandible and COOL
Except Mystique is being eradicated, not enslaved. It’s her Dalit name, perhaps.
I liked the movie too, though I felt the slave name was a tiny bit cring-worthy, only because we don't know how/why/who named her. Compare that to "Because we shouldn't have to" with Nightcrawler, and it wasn't as strong.I liked all the movies, not equally, but I thought x3 was enjoyable (I never liked cyclops... hehe, so that was a treat.)
love my x-women........in the comics!
i likes first class bc there was A Lot of gay tension between charles n erik, like even the writers noticed n decided to throw in a str8 kiss for charles there at the end
*WHY IS THIS AGE RESTRICTED?*
Itxi, goddammit, you've won my heart.
Magneto and Charles are gay? That makes so much sense! You just totally blew my mind like a dirty SNES cartridge.
+DartNoobo Ian McKellen is gay, Patrick Stewart isn't. But it definitely seemed like they were playing the characters as ex-lovers, though the movies never said it explicitly.
Yeah was just a lame joke
SerNoddicusTheGallant no, she was jokingly reffering to how the two characters interact with one another( see her Hercules review for another example).
+Kye Dysarthria definitely the actors, lindsay wouldnt make a statement like that without evidencing it
No she was reffering to the charcters.
This is a bit personal, but as a gay person myself that line about "because we shouldn't have to [hide]" that Mystique says in X-Men 2 is something that has stuck with me for years and helped me grit through the raw fear and anxiety (and eventual relief and elation) of the coming out process.
Similar, I came out before the movie but fuck was it inspirational. And the way Rebecca delivers that line had so much power behind it. It was beautiful then and still is now.
+Brazilian Goddess Everyone made the connection between Charles and Erik.
@Bernie O'Connor, As a gay person, did you ever make that connection between Charles and Magneto?
Omg, I loved epic movie
And your drunk.
Whoa! I appreciate your humor but as gay as Magneto and Charles relationship can be because of... Well, jokes are funny. I feel like you really believe your own joke. Weird.
Why on earth is this video Age Restricted?
Because blue appliance- covered boobs?
scous871 I have no idea.
My, one moment in that 3rd movie they never made, is in the church, when Magneto pulls his sleeve back to reveal his serial number tattoo and says "No needle shall ever touch my skin again."
I thought Mystique gave the government wrong information on purpose
Why not show Mystique being choked by Apocalypse on billboards? It is a marketing plot signalling that in THIS Xmen movie the nigh-unstoppable Mystique may have met her match.
+unknown unknown *Accurate movie adaptation of a good person forced into bad deeds: Roger Ebert says the movie is "WET."
+stranger59 Blue MAN Group really ... choked. Hiyooo!
+unknown unknown Is that a stealth reference to C3P0, Top Gun, There Will Be Blood, or every Refn movie ever made?
+Kit Su As if male characters don't usually get the most brutal deaths in pretty much any genre of film?
Mystique is played by the most famous actress in the cast so I understand the marketing trying to show Apocalypse as a villain by trying to kill her specifically.
Thank GOD, that Xmen is being handed over to people who actually know how to make Comic book movies. (MCU) One more Fox movie and i'd shoot myself.
+SerNoddicusTheGallant So, it takes balls to Cuss like a Sailor, and have Potty-Humor like a Teenager? If that's all it takes then lets just let any Sicko Ruin all our favorite Comic Heroes. Like they've done Time and time again with Fantastic 4. Rape of Fan4.I love Deadpool just as much as anyone else, but his stuff is in small doses. Because Deadpool is a 4th Wall breaker. ( A Different side to whatever Series he's in) That's even one of his powers. He's a side Note to Xmen, but its done from a different Perspective.
marvel films are more consistently good, but they dont have half the balls to take risks like fox, theres no chance marvel would make a film like deadpool or logan
U couldn't Possibly believe that. Theres no way u can be that dumb. I think u need to like Pray, or Meditate on it..One more Time, and really..really Dig deep. Think, think, think, "Am I being smart about this?" Really make sure ur got it. And then come back and tell me, "...Well, maybe I was jumping the Gun a little." M,kay?
Wow that was Hilarious. Dang..U got me there.U don't know anything about the Comic world, Serenity. That's because you're just a kid. And you're not a Fan of Comic movies, you're a Fan of a Certain Genre of movies. You don't appreciate Carving these Characters out of Wood, to make them Real.( Live Action) And don't act like your surrounding me with a bunch of ur witty Minions. Nobody is laughing. The only one agreeing with u, is a Fake Profile. You're just making a Fool out of yourself.
x-force, dark phoenix and new mutants. have fun with shooting yourself three times :) one less delusional mcu freak! YAY!!!!!!!!!!! DANCE PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!
The First Class ones were just about Mystique. Shes better as a side Character. Unimportant.
NO. no one puts mystique in a corner! and you obviously dont read x-men comics if you think she is unimportant lol she is literally one of the most important x-men characters EVER
I see no issue with Professor Xavier controlling the women in his life, mentally or otherwise. As a wise prophet once said, "X gon' give it ya. Fuck waitin' for you to get it on ya own, X gon' deliver to ya."
A B Well, knock knock, open up the door, it's real, my friend.
6:54„I think we should call it...your grave!“„Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!“
X men evolution was in my opinion pretty good.
I tend to think animation is generally better than live action.
Yeah, the Cartoons are really good. They made sense. Fox movies are just Not Xmen. At all. Its just what people who don't like the comics think about it.
I know this is a bit off topic but I’ve always found the X-men=POC parallel (even though it’s completely what the writers are going for) a little off. Because the reality of the world is they aren’t just different looking, they literally have powers that could kill people and they have no idea how to control those powers unless they are taught. Now of course the whole plot line of the government wanting to just kill the mutants and the registry being used to discriminate is awful and understandably so, but the people wanting to know that mutants are in places where they can learn to control their powers is also understandable. Like a girl can kill you if she just accidentally touches you. That’s something she NEEDS to learn how to control. Or cyclops, without training he could accidentally kill soooo many people, it only makes sense to want to have mutants in some known list so they can be placed in schools that will teach them not to kill people. I think it ends up being a way more complicated issue than just race related
+studioyokai That's one reason why I'm a little apprehensive about the prospect of the X-Men entering the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Their social plight has never really seemed to make sense to me in a world that also has non-mutant superheroes, who aren't particularly regarded the same way as mutants, unless they cause a lot of damage or have an obsessed newspaper editor going after them. The separate Fox X-Men universe made it a bit neater.
Jonothan Thrace Except that isn't actually true. The vast majority of mutants do not have powers like that. Most mutants just look different in some way. When he isn't altered by Apcoolyse, Angel can fly and can take slightly more of a beating than the average human. Beak is....A mutant that looks like a bird, that's it. Most mutants fall into that level of "power".
Jonothan Thrace Every person is capable of killing others all the time, regardless of mutant powers. The point is that you dont go around treating everyone like a criminal just bc they *could* pick up a knife to start stabbing, or a rope to start choking, or dump poison in the water, or drive a car through a crowd of ppl, or develop a bomb or drone that can kill people without ever looking at them. You dont persecute military personnel bc they have weapons and combat training that civilians dont, thus potentially making them more dangerous, do you? No, you respect them bc of their abilities but judge them on their own actions. The point is, you cant judge people based on what they might do, just bc you dont understand them or are different from them. Mutants are just *people* who were born with abilities they didnt ask for. But instead of getting treated with basic human respect and say, being provided with education to understand the responsibility of controlling these abilities, mutants are taken from their families and "cured" of their born heritage. You know, like how indigenous children were treated at residential schools. Or mutants were treated like subhumans, registered and rounded up to be experimented on or killed. Like Jews in Europe.This is why Magneto got a literal Holocaust backstory, for the people whom the racial allegories were too subtle to see.
The comic book explanation was that there's a sentient bacteria (or something) that mutants are immune to, so it makes everybody subconsciously recognise and hate mutants.Yeah.
The metaphor completely breaks down when you take a step back from the "world that hates and fears them" level and notice the "these persecuted people have literal superpowers and most could kill a human with very little effort" level, yeah.
All good points. One less used thing that always fascinated me about Mystique is that she is a bisexual shapeshifter. Comics had her in a canonical romance with Destiny, Sabertooth, etc. You spoke of toxic motherhood being one of her major tropes and its true, but Chris Claremont originally wanted to make Nightcrawler the bio-child of Destiny and Mystique. So this would make Mystique his father, not his mother (which would be Destiny).
Pim Peccable bet that would have been a comic moment everyone would want to pretend never happened.
But then where did Nightcrawler's Y-chromosome come from?
Mystique is one of those characters that has never really been handled that well once she went to different media. As an x-men reader going back to giant sized x-men #1 I have always been disappointed in the way she is handled. She does possess a well rounded complex character in the Comics, a strong independent confident but damaged character, who unfortunately has had more retcons in the X-men narrative than any one save Wolverine. Her position as a threat, and leader has never ever been properly shown, her reason for being is always tied to a Man, which is really weird considering her and Destiny's relationship. I consider Mystique a true femme fatale , who if you cast her or wrote her independent of everyone, and then didn't give her the tropes usually seen in the movies especially she would have made a decent movie series, provided you cast her correctly.
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I'd rather Mystique be the mysterious kick ass she was in the first 3 films than how they made her into a teen hero in the last few films smh..
X-2 made me fall in love with Magneto and Mystique. A shame Sir Ian and Rebecca Romijn couldn't have been better utilized.
See, I'm not a huge comic book fan, but I do like canons. I was unaware of Mystique's, to be honest, but I always thought hers was one of the best performances in the movies. She did a lot with an economy of lines.
i enjoyed this immensely.
Hey, I don’t really have anything to say....I just want a nice supportive comment to balance out the irritating, anti feminist jerk-off who are peeved that you’re willing to talk about comics and movies. Xoxox ur awesome.
First Class is the better movie. You may not like the "I want boys to see me beautiful" character motivation, but it is a realistic one nonetheless. Jennifer Lawrence is an awful Mystique though. And to make matters worse, because she became the most popular actor in the franchise, at that particular time, the producers felt compelled to make her character more and more important, when a good and useful henchman was really her niche.
+Shawn NTaking Mystique's blood is the first step into making the Sentinels into shapeshifting machines. DOFP is still the superior movie.
Days of Future Past is idiotic. Mystique can only copy other mutants' physical forms, NOT their powers. Therefore, taking her blood would get you no where. They ran with that moronic premise because they had to make Mystique the most important mutant in the movie. Plus, Xavier is an A-hole for no reason. People were just glad to see Wolverine back, making the movie totally overrated. First Class is more drama orientated, but I can watch Jeremy Fassbender and James McAvoy portray those characters all day. They make it work tremendously.
First class is boring trash compared to days of future past though both are dragged down due to Mystique being portrayed by an idiot with no acting skill
Shawn N I think J Law was good when she was trying in First Class,she seemed to be phoning it in on Days of Future Past and she really wasn't trying in Apocalypse. She really wasn't the most famous person in First Class, the only thing she was in before was Winters Bone. She really shouldn't have gotten that big of a role in the story.
I wonder if the MCU will have a Mystique if they get the X-men rights
You actually included Epic Movie in this? ... You went there.
Shadow Serpent Hey just because I like it doesn’t mean I’m going to recommend it in a million years.
Parts of the movie where funny... But no, it's not really worth getting into a keyboard tug of war. I'm just going to say if a friend or family member gave me either movie. That I would assume they hated me and I should burn their present. Because while some parts where funny it was a hot bag of NOPE!Oh, forget it Pistols at dawn?
Shadow Serpent Disaster Movie and Meet The Spartans are still underrated. Fight me.
I know right I thought it was funny.
Hello i like your work on loose canon. I hope you will do one on Emma Frost.
I thought Magneto was Bi... I mean the mans got like how many kids?
He's not bi in the comics and it doesn't seem like he's bi in the films, though a bi Magneto would be interesting.
I think at that point in the X-Men movies, it was assumed he was gay. It’s not until the prequels that there’s any indication that he was bi.
Shadow Serpent yup
I see so I should have gone in with more of my thoughts. Then just a short clip I understand. Thank you for your candor thus far. Let's see growing up I saw X-men as a wonderful show/comic series. Where it really spoke to me and was a tool I could use to make people see about either their racist or bigoted worldview. And in a non-threatening way to promote change through the parables. Now I know in the 80's around their the whole growing kids or soldiers in test tubs. Was kind of a thing given the super soldier/monster themes that were kind of popular. I feel his relationships that resulted in children. Prove he is bisexual rather than gay. I'm happy we could agree and while I can't say he wouldn't hook up with women just to get more mutants into the world. I also feel with his mind and the other people he collected and his whole... Experience at the hands of the Nazis... Well, the it's not that hard of stretch if this was the goal to write him off as someone who had no romantic feelings towards the ladies. He could have just made a baby assembly line. Happy, that wasn't the case. (does this help?)
Shadow Serpent I'm not arguing that he's not bi, I also believe he's bi, it's just that in the physical sense two men cannot conceive a child therefore any kids he has with men would be adopted or through a surrogate. The whole "he's got so many kids!" Isn't a solid basis for arguing for his bi-ness that's all.
Ugh, I think Mystique was never handled well in an X-Men movie. She's never the strong, devious lone wolf. Lawrence's is insecure. Romijn's is a devout henchman for a strong man (White Queen has this role in First Class). All the strong women in the X-universe are either subservient (those two), confused and manipulated (Rogue and Jean), or weak and lacking in personality (Storm and Kitty). It's disgusting. I honestly don't blame Lawrence for checking out, because all those great actors hired by Matthew Vaughn did NOT sign up to work for Bryan Singer. Also, if anyone wants to see a good live action Mystique, just watch Firefly. She shows up in two episodes and if you don't realize who I'm talking about you've never read X-Men.
Emma Frost actually pissed me off even more. Mystique at least seemed to have her own thing going on as played by Romjin and was pretty good at being threatening. They showed more of Emma's extremely rarely used turning to crystal powers than having her go toe to toe as a psychic with Xavier. Not to mention she had the same personality as Betty Draper- Emma Frost of all people should not seem the same as a 50s housewife.
16:35 Did anyone else notice that two of the complex femme fatales were the same actress?
Um, yes, Destiny getting Mystique to raise Rogue _was_ in the comics. You know how Cable is the badass anti-hero who does what's necessary to prevent a dystopian future? Well, that used to be Mystique's role. Destiny keeps telling Mystique what to do based on what she can see of the future timelines, and Rogue was supposed to be part of that.
Cable is a Mary-Sue.
I love your loose canon videos!
Why did this sound so salty?
Rebecca Romijn will always be my mystique. Before her Mystique always seemed like a character with unrealized potential. Rebecca was the perfect example of "show don't tell".
Agreed. Romijn Mystique also always came off to me as (MUCH) more of an equal to Magneto, and perhaps even superior. She had no problem with getting her hands dirty even when she didn't actually need to. Romijn Mystique even takes the initiative and develops a brilliant plan to liberate Magneto from his plastic cell, literally becoming the White Knight who saves her Prince trapped in a castle--I wish I could meet a woman like that. Damn.
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Raze is another of her children with Wolverine
"What makes Mystique, Mystique?"I'm gonna say her mystique.
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This was awesome in so many ways. Thank you so much for making this. I have been a fan of Xmen lore for years, but I never really thought about how complex Mystique was just until a few weeks ago, I was studying the character Agent Smith from the Matrix. Kemetics use the character Agent Smith to describe Azaezel, a demon that can jump from body to body and possess people. I realized that there is no woman archetype for this same philosophy in Kemetics, however Christianity uses the concept of Lilith. Mystique was the only archetype that I could think of that had a similar lore. Ironically, her and Azaezel had Nightcrawler together, and she was cast out and forced to drop him off a mountain, similar to Lilith in Christianity. The more I studied Mystique I realized that she has such a complex background, and I began researching more and more, and I never thought that I would find a video like this that confirmed so many conclusions that I came to, simply by meditating. This video is brilliant and you are on another level. Thank you very much for posting this.
On the mythology front: gotta love Norse myth for being the opposite of most Western mythologies, particularly with gender norms! And sadly, I think the films aren't diverging timelines, I think they're some sorta weirdass merging timelines.
Yes, I thought it was an alternative telling, not a prequel.Then they released Days of Future Past. And I still think that First Class is causally unrelated to the first X-Men movie.
Why do you say Professor X is gay in the X-Men Movies? The reason Mystique is different in the prequels because of J Law, Star Power trumps literary logic.
Magneto and Xavier were obviously never meant to be seen as gay in text. Ellis was jokingly reading into things "Hey look, two old friends with no apparent female romantic interests, one of which is played by Ian Mckellen"
That comment is figurative and not literal. Due to the way they were written, the dynamic is like Eric/Charles had romantic history.The X-Men movies were the pet project of Bryan Singer, a bisexual Jewish guy and has stated that his identity has strongly influenced his movies. While the original comics were heavy on the allegory around being the outsiders and racial inequality, the Xmen movies (the first two, anyway), the movies have a lot of LGBT allegory. In fact, Ian McKellen took the role specifically due to what he saw as gay-rights parallels.
Loved you on seinfeld jeanine garofalo..you are a wow
Aren't you over analizing mystique??
Its the meaning of this series
Over-analysing? This isn't even scratching the backside of the envelope around the surface.
lorddiosliving Deep analysis is the point of "Loose canon".
I had a HUGE fetish for mystique's blue form when i first saw the movie. All that "oh no i am so ugly in blue" never caught on with me.
I honestly swear her makeup and hair looked better in the earlier X-Men movies than with the new cast. Same for Beast. How? Why?
I think a lot of men would be down to be with a woman as attractive as her. She may have scales and be blue, but she sure does have curves.
demolitionGoat Glad to see I'm not the only one. Though it took me a while after it came out. I was a child, after all.
We are both TOTALLY on the same page about the relative quality of the X-Men movies. I seriously miss the ass-kicking take-no-prisoners X2 Mystique. That slide away from the camera while flipping the bird is classic. Although I have to say it's funny that you didn't read sexual subtext into Mystique and Magneto's relationship in the first two X-movies. Wolverine: "She's good." Magneto: "You have NO idea." If that subtext doesn't say at least a history of some side benefits, I don't know what does. They are definitely more than just professional acquaintances. I also disagree somewhat about the whole sex as a weapon thing. Yeah, it's a storytelling cliche, but I think the sex thing is secondary to what's really going on here. Mystique is first and foremost a spy; she's smart and charismatic enough to identify and exploit a person's weakness, whatever it is. It just so happens that this guy she was targeting was an easy mark for the seduction angle. She had zero intention of actually sleeping with the guy and she just does the ruse to get the guy alone and vulnerable. The tumble with Wolverine? I think she does find him attractive, she's curious, and she enjoys sex, but again she is just playing him. Logan is enamored of Jean; impersonating Jean is a good way to get his guard down.