Why Rose Doesn't Work


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  • Nemo7The7Pirate7
    Nemo7The7Pirate7 17 days ago

    I rather have more Rogue One like war movies.

  • Wil Agaton
    Wil Agaton 21 day ago

    When I heard the part about letting some plot holes in the original and nitpicking the Last Jedi, I remembered an arguement me and a friend had.
    We both came out of the Last Jedi not liking it. He absolutely hating it, and I was more pensive. I really wanted to like it, because I was so disinterested in Ep. 7 and the trailers really got me into Star Wars again.
    I made the same arguement, that the originals werent perfect, and what my friend was doing was nitpicking. Then he said something that totally changed my mind. Yes the originals werent perfect, but its because they were the originals, theyre trying to figure it all out; its not like the Last Jedi where it plays on a very well established canon. You cant change things just because.
    Ever since then, I hated the Last Jedi too 😂

  • Furry Combat Wombat
    Furry Combat Wombat 23 days ago

    I want your plot made into a new Last jedi Redo

  • LagiNaLangAko23
    LagiNaLangAko23 23 days ago +1

    They actually made the actress uglier for the film

  • Medvěd co ví kde je med

    I think it was good idea, but poor execution.

  • David R
    David R 25 days ago

    Boycott starwars

  • Roquet
    Roquet 25 days ago

    Why do you repeat one thing like 4 times?

    • Roquet
      Roquet 24 days ago

      +Please Rewind oh, ok

    • Please Rewind
      Please Rewind  25 days ago +1

      This was before I wrote scripts and edited my audio.
      After the video became popular, I started working on those issues with my delivery.

  • Weeaboo Trash
    Weeaboo Trash 25 days ago

    This is how I feel about the Execution of TLJ "Drops the axe".

  • FrodoXAnnalover 12
    FrodoXAnnalover 12 Month ago +1

    You should have directed The Last Jedi.

  • NinjaViking1
    NinjaViking1 Month ago

    If Fin and Rose "were" to capture Fasma......
    she would sing like a Canary......
    remember how quickly she shut off the Power Generator
    when Fin held a gun to her head.....?
    Especially since her armor is Blaster Proof.

  • Team Tundra 2
    Team Tundra 2 Month ago

    Imma be honest here: Admiral Holdo is more interesting than Rose
    Rose was kinda annoying and somewhat bossy. Holdo at least has some reasons to be oppressive. Plus she and Leia have a history.

  • SSPspaz
    SSPspaz Month ago

    Mostly good analysis, but I feel like you made WAY too many concessions to this awful film. Yes, some of the issues were poor execution, but the vast majority were due to absolutely awful writing/storytelling.
    PS - Interstellar is a freaking masterpiece, and even though it's not Nolan's best work, The Last Jedi isn't fit to be mentioned in the same sentence.

    • Please Rewind
      Please Rewind  Month ago

      No argument there.

    • SSPspaz
      SSPspaz Month ago

      Please Rewind, and yet it still had a better story, better writing, more character development, better sound design, a better score, and better visuals than The Last Jedi. Interstellar isn't perfect, but it's better in literally every way.

    • Please Rewind
      Please Rewind  Month ago

      The third act of Interstellar is embarrassing and literally became a meme.

  • Jake Dapper
    Jake Dapper Month ago

    Why does Rey never fail seems like she succeeds and is good at everything

  • ChoppersBBQ
    ChoppersBBQ Month ago

    The good ideas and/or actual scenes are just crushed by the surrounding nonsense such as Rey being a Mary Sue. Bombs appearing to work in micro gravity as if earth gravity was present. Just two of many points where you are left scratching your head to hard to long. You note many others yourself. These issues just overshadow the whole film to the point i am constantly aware of them and can't really connect with this film.

  • Braden Young
    Braden Young Month ago

    Ok i hate when people say that this one guy can do it they call maz and was told that she knows can do it

  • goagăl minus
    goagăl minus Month ago +1

    They rebooted starwars to serve the feminist agenda. They don't bring new ideas. They just copy/paste older movies while replacing male with female characters and give them powers without being backed by a backstory. That's why it's shallow and unwatchable.

  • Zak6959
    Zak6959 Month ago

    Everybody gets a metal, Except Finn. If he did make a pass at Rose he would be charged with sexual salt, #MeToo. LOL

  • Ted Galacci
    Ted Galacci Month ago

    I saw it as setting up a love triangle in the next installment....

  • T 21199
    T 21199 Month ago

    Finn was in love with Rey and this fat ass came by.

  • Mike Vasquez
    Mike Vasquez Month ago

    It doesn't really take a lot of clever analysis's to understand why Tose Tico didn't work. From an in universe perspective, her character only ever did more harm then good. It's badd enough to be an unnecessary character, but the resistance would actually have been better off if she had never existed. Even Jar Jar Binks accidentally did a few things that were beneficial to the people around him from time to time. From a filmmaking perspective, she was a tone deaf attempt to pander to the Asian market. They effectively admitted as much with all of their diatribes about diversity. They just sort of forgot that the characters still have to be good. I do however have to strongly emphasize that it is not Kelly Marie Tran's fault. There is nothing that she could have done to make this character work.

  • Mere C
    Mere C 2 months ago

    Taking Phasma hostage would have generated more interest in Episode IX. It would have been a development we could have anticipated but whose outcome we wouldn’t have known going into the next film. And, yeah, character development and not ... wasting freaking Brienne of Tarth. Or Finn’s character arc.

  • Oleg Shore
    Oleg Shore 2 months ago

    It's funny, you say it's all about execution and then, go on in almost every sentence proving that the story is full of holes. Be consistent, say both story and execution suck!

    • Please Rewind
      Please Rewind  2 months ago

      I like a lot of the ideas in concept, but the story itself isn't very good.

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  • creepyguy
    creepyguy 2 months ago

    It was a bad movie period. Not watching this anymore

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    Dan Tayler 2 months ago +1

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  • David Jenkins
    David Jenkins 3 months ago

    Kelly Marie Tran is a beautiful woman in real life though

  • Leafs Forever
    Leafs Forever 3 months ago

    What’s wrong with rose ??? Are you kidding me ???

  • destronia123
    destronia123 3 months ago

    Star wars is totally played out. Without continual references to the "good" movies and classic character cameos, any new stuff might as well be a totally new IP. But corporations can't shake their dependence on brand recognition to sell a mediocre product. ;)

  • Luis Feliciano
    Luis Feliciano 3 months ago +2

    I fukking hate Rose

  • hannes3d
    hannes3d 3 months ago

    Cry over my sister ..ten seconds later give no fucks at all ... get send on a stupid subplot and you start to question the films logic etc ... free the animals get the slave children killed because there job was to look after the animals ... act stupid ... she rams into him that kills everyone bye a cannon and if the impact dosn't kill them the walkers will .... she had a chance to get away he had a chance to destroy the fucking cannon to get time because the walker had still been there ... ...but rose isn't the only stupid thing in this movie ... everyone is braindead and luke is stupid as well but lucky for us the force is strong with .....
    2 Bad guys teased and killed no story ... and hey i killed my father ...and hey i can't beat ....
    the hole film is so stupid ....i don't talk about the pink lady that killed herself plz let her stay dead ... the hole film should be a dream ...nothing more nothing less ...

  • CrunchyNorbert
    CrunchyNorbert 3 months ago

    should have been stormtrooper guy and faux solo going off to rescue Rey from discount Vader

  • Aaron Brant
    Aaron Brant 3 months ago

    It's more than just a problem with execution. It's more about the fact that Rian Johnson apparently never learned the 'Yes, and' principle from improv. When you're working with a continuing story ...YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE THE STORY FROM WHERE THEY LEFT OFF. He not only completely ignored questions and plot threads woven in The Force Awakens, he straight up disrespects them and goes off in his own direction with no regard for what came before. Basically, Rian's just a pompous asshole who's way too full of himself.

  • Koley Turner
    Koley Turner 3 months ago

    I'm sorry but Rey and Finn have the most forced relationship I've ever seen, Finn knows Rey for like two days and all of a sudden he's just obsessed with her, to the point where her name is the first thing he says when he comes out of a coma

  • Some guy on YouTube
    Some guy on YouTube 3 months ago +1

    lol imagine Finn just abandoning her while she tries to kiss him

    • Oskar Toledo
      Oskar Toledo Month ago

      Or punching her in the fucking face...that if he wouldn't have ended quadraplegic after that crash in real life..."ohhh i love you"..."bitch, i can't move"

  • Steve Dubs
    Steve Dubs 4 months ago

    400+ videos, 9600 subs??? Ouch. I just saw a channel with 120 videos and 2 million subs. Find something else to do cuz you ain't got it here.

    • Please Rewind
      Please Rewind  4 months ago

      So I'm supposed to have the same numbers as some random channel? Most of us do YT as a hobby, and each channel has a different video to subs ratio.

      It's extremely rare to have 10k subs on YT, and it's not like this is my job.

  • Angel Mcfadden
    Angel Mcfadden 4 months ago

    Couldn’t Leia just have Force-Jumped through the Dreadnought?

  • okrajoe
    okrajoe 4 months ago +1

    I like your idea -- have Rose be the hacker and go with Finn to disable some radar/detector that allows Rebel transport ships to escape. Also, gives Finn something to do since he is not primarily a pilot.

  • A B
    A B 4 months ago +1

    Fat Asian chick has a name? I never noticed that being said in the movie.

  • Dragonage2ftw
    Dragonage2ftw 4 months ago

    Shit video.

  • Philip Roberts
    Philip Roberts 4 months ago +1

    Ah, Star Wars, putting the 'SW' in SJW.

  • AvianInkKit
    AvianInkKit 4 months ago

    I watched the movie, and loved her character. I was planning to cosplay as Rose, but once I saw all the hate, I figured that people would get upset.

  • BigBroLittleSis1
    BigBroLittleSis1 4 months ago

    There probably was stuff in the original trilogy that looking back didn't make sense... but... the original trilogy was making it up as it went along, there wasn't decades of established lore for it to abide by and stay consistent with. Hell the original was suppose to be a cheaply made film they didn't expect to go anywhere. Now? Star Wars is a massively popular sci-fi setting that is engrained in popular culture.
    So no, saying the originals have flaws that were just ignoring so we should give these new films some slack is a argument dead of arrival.

  • DejaVoodooDoll
    DejaVoodooDoll 4 months ago

    Rian Johnson's biggest mistake was giving his audience enough credit to think he didn't need to have the characters outright say "Finn's suicide run was going to fail. Suicide isn't always the right answer, ya'll."
    But you sure showed him!

  • fundhund62
    fundhund62 4 months ago

    Rose is one of the better characters in the new trilogy, alongside Admiral Holdo, whom I actually loved!
    It´s really funny to see people trash those characters, but defend poorly written ones like Kylo Ren, Rey or Hux..

    • Oskar Toledo
      Oskar Toledo Month ago

      Really? Where are you been for the past four years? Look for what people says about that emo Darth Vader wanna be, that Mary Sue and the screaming crazy guy. But that conceited purple hairy lady and that fat annoying asian girl are worst 😡

  • Harold White
    Harold White 4 months ago

    Johnson failed to make a movie about failure. I guess he has that in common with some of his characters. Other characters failed, I suppose, but their failures always seem to work out for them. Hmmmm.

  • Harold White
    Harold White 4 months ago +1

    For the people complaining that we aren't nitpicking the OT for similar things, I'd say that there wasn't 30 years of back story to fill in, for people to nitpic about. TLJ comes after 30 years of history that NEEDS to he filled in, before most of the new trilogy can make sense. For people that didn't watch the OT or the prequels, a back story isn't needed, really, but it would have been nice for them to know what the hell is going on, and why any of this matters. It's not just the execution. It's the story.

  • Gaius Wyrden
    Gaius Wyrden 4 months ago

    Why does everybody say that Finn would have saved the resistance if Rose didnt Stop him? Maybe his Plan would have totally failed and he would only kill himself for no purpose.

    • Please Rewind
      Please Rewind  4 months ago

      Then he should have committed to it and killed Finn.
      Anything is better than the Rose moment.

    • Gaius Wyrden
      Gaius Wyrden 4 months ago

      +Please Rewind Maybe, but it would be surprising and more realistic than Finn destroying that Thing.

    • Please Rewind
      Please Rewind  4 months ago

      That sounds like bad and unclear writing.

  • Brandon BillTheCat
    Brandon BillTheCat 4 months ago

    Say what? Ryan was a good writer? If anything this movie showed he didn't know anything about writing. He was like a boy in a sandbox throwing toys around not knowing what to do with them so it all gets so stupid. He takes everyone and makes them so lacking in depth and stupid simple.
    He somehow thought he was being smart with all these twists and turns but none of them led anywhere and were pointless. No, This guy is a class one moron who could never seem to understand the Star Wars universe. He is very 2 dimensional with everyone and everything in the movie.
    I would approve of his relocation to a garbage collector and have him stay away from the movie industry because he doesn't know what the hell he is doing there.

  • Eli Garcia
    Eli Garcia 4 months ago +1

    All politics aside.... this was just a poorly made movie. On every level. The plot, the writing, the execution.... everything. I can't think of one good scene. Every scene has either deep flaws or plot holes. I defy anybody to find me a 1 good scene.

  • Falkorn 986
    Falkorn 986 4 months ago +1

    It would have definitely been interesting to see Rey join Kylo and actually say 'screw the first order and the resistance, lets rebuild the galaxy together'. Not that it would've been great, but definitely much more interesting than what we got.

  • Falkorn 986
    Falkorn 986 4 months ago +1

    I love your idea of making her a badass hacker.

  • 2 D
    2 D 4 months ago

    Misa fucking hate her and this misa movie

  • ベラグ ジョン
    ベラグ ジョン 4 months ago +1

    There is literally no training between Luke and Rey

  • ClandestineOstrich
    ClandestineOstrich 4 months ago

    I know for a fact there was a ghost-writer who was more involved in the script than Rian Johnson. She's a now 66 year old female with other credits within and outside screenwriting.

  • Hi Hi
    Hi Hi 4 months ago

    Yea yea some of the stupid guys say they are good actors but script was bad , well they are not Fin and Rose are ugly but not Morgan Freeman kind of ugly , you can have ugly face and also have a magic of a good actor but they are simply bad actors, for the most profitable movie of all time they took some boys and girls that can t act just to give less money for acting , they think that space ships can do it all, but George Lucas said you can t simply make spaceships he gave half of his salary to Alec Guinness who was a Oscar winner to play Obi Wan , do you think that Fin as Leonardo Dicaprio and rose as some good actress would be bad , ofc not , yes the plot is very casual because their story is forced for agenda , of the blacks , asian , gays , but most of it for money they could get Black Panther guy if they like blacks so much , they took bad actors who are low paid and they say that you are racist , agenda + greed , it s like movie made by communist if they where greedy

  • L. T C.
    L. T C. 4 months ago +1

    If she really had to save Finn she could have at least sacrificed herself but nope.

  • Marshalsify
    Marshalsify 4 months ago +1

    Ladies and gentlemen, she's hell of a lot worse than Jar Jar.

  • Dark Highwayman
    Dark Highwayman 4 months ago +1

    Finn's death would have been amazing. Her kiss is "problematic", no consent was given.

  • Mirada Robot
    Mirada Robot 5 months ago

    I think Rose could crash Finn to move him away and go into cannon instead of Finn sacrificing her, keeping alive the character (Finn) and adding to the idea that everyone could be a Hero.

  • ruminator3570
    ruminator3570 5 months ago

    It's over kylo I've got the middle ground?

  • Mark W
    Mark W 5 months ago

    I thought Paige was her lover not sister...

  • R T/X
    R T/X 5 months ago

    You're taking the Long Way around the Barn, in My 60 plus Years of watching Movies The Last Jedi is the WORST Film I've Ever Seen and I believe a lot of people feel the same way!

  • Bendirval
    Bendirval 5 months ago

    That's a very interesting perspective.

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    "Fat Asian Bitch" ~ Dishonored Wolf

  • Nashmann Jango
    Nashmann Jango 5 months ago

    Man the characters were SHIIIIIIT !!! STORY WAS SHIIIIIIT.... Its NOT conectet to ep7 and much less with first 6 films so wtf are you talking about ??? Weak female characters ALL OF THEM and i wanted to see Black Widow type of character or Ashoka Thano type !!! WHERE IS QUALITY ??? FU@K THAT EXPECTATIONS CRAP PHYLOSOPHY !!!!

  • Lonly Wanderer
    Lonly Wanderer 5 months ago

    12:02 Probably not, after all Skye/Daisy from Agents of SHIELD started the show as an awesome hacker, then she became an agent and then a super powered badass, and she was also half Chinese.

  • Rose Tico's Lard Ass Face

    I love pizza and black cucks

  • wdrewjr
    wdrewjr 5 months ago

    Holdo shows the storytellers attitude. Disdainfully calls Poe a "flyboy" and states he is the last thing they need.
    Only guys screw up. Listen to women.
    Sends in bombers.
    Sends Finn and Rose to Canto
    Thinks about killing Ben
    Runs away from everything
    First Order
    Mostly men who run around yelling
    Women are heroes
    Rey doesn't give up on Ben
    Holdo sacrifices herself to save others = brave
    Finn tries to do the same thing = dummy
    Rose saves Finn = brave

  • LordZontar
    LordZontar 5 months ago

    Rose does not work as a character because, basically, she isn't one. The entire "subplot" with Rose, Finn and DJ could have been cut completely and it wouldn't have affected the main story of the film one jot.

    • Hi Hi
      Hi Hi 4 months ago

      yea yea one of the stupid guys that say they are good actor but script was bad , well they are not Fin and Rose are ugly but not Morgan Freeman kind of ugly , you can have ugly face and also have a magic of a good actor but they are simply bad actors, for the most profitable movie of all time they took some boys and girls that can t act just to give less money for acting , they think that space ships can do it all, but George Lucas said you can t simply make spaceships he gave half of his salary to Alec Guinness who was a Oscar winner to play Obi Wan , do you think that Fin as Leonardo Dicaprio and rose as some good actress would be bad , ofc not , yes the plot is very casual because their story is forced for agenda , of the blacks , asian , gays , but most of it for money they could get Black Panther guy if they like blacks so much , they took bad actor who are low paid and they say that you are racist , agenda + greed , it s like movie made by communist if they where greedy

  • Ricky Castle
    Ricky Castle 5 months ago +1

    Instead of Rose, why not just have a Finn and Poe adventure that’s what we wanted first Rian. Replace Poe’s role in the movie with Carrie Fishers daughter whose character I don’t know the name but find myself more interested than Rose and Rey.
    But no, Rian has to do the opposite of what we wanted

  • Sky Toro
    Sky Toro 5 months ago +1

    The film is about failure... it IS a failure of a film

  • Nuvakwahu
    Nuvakwahu 5 months ago +1

    Darth Vader: Why would you stop me!!!
    TIE Pilot: I saved you... dummy. That's how we're going to win. Not by fighting what we hate... but saving what we love.
    Darth Vader: Well I hope you didn't have anyone one important to you left on the Death Star, because you did a lousy job at saving them.

  • Joseph Allard
    Joseph Allard 6 months ago

    Although she is a poorly written character I liked Rey. Daisey Ridley did an awesome job with the script that she had to work with. In fact, all of the actors did a great job with the character scripts that were handed to them. The problem lays with the nutjobs who wrote the script. Plus, they seem to be moving away from the original Stars Wars trilogy. They are catering to a different generation of fans. And, of course, that is going to upset the diehard Star Wars fans. I personally enjoyed seeing Rey in the pilot seat of the Millennium Falcon. That being said, as much as I can sit here and nitpick The Last Jedi, it is a watchable movie.

  • Sc0rPsX
    Sc0rPsX 6 months ago

    Okay stopped half way, and do agree with bringing some depth to these very shallow new characters there is also books out about some of them such as Phasma and her ways. So, even bringing some of that in instead of a 5 minute and then thrown down whatever to die. Point being movie ruined Star Wars and lost interest in seeing any new ones.

  • Kratatch
    Kratatch 6 months ago +1

    The movie sucked so hard that it made 100 pornstars quit their job because they could not compete.

  • Simon Purist
    Simon Purist 6 months ago

    Rey works, if you need someone to guard the escape-pods because the lock is broken.
    That's her job.

  • alex_Swe
    alex_Swe 6 months ago

    This is what happens when they shoe horn in diversity, bad made movie and bad charterers not only Rose.

  • Zoeira Total
    Zoeira Total 6 months ago

    jews love interracial sex

  • disgruntledtoons
    disgruntledtoons 6 months ago

    "How do you feel about Rian Johnson's execution?" "The sooner, the better."

  • Conscious OUT
    Conscious OUT 6 months ago

    Maybe 9 will show Rose being revealed as a Dere character?
    That Might help the bs her character did...
    But that doesn't fix anything about the Mary Sue situation.

  • Adam Mathis
    Adam Mathis 6 months ago

    REE-AN Johnson? Good job, you subverted my expectation of how you were gonna say his name =P lol seriously though great video man

  • Josh Brackelsberg
    Josh Brackelsberg 6 months ago

    Rose was a shit character written and directed that way deliberately in order to troll straight white men. They made her as retarded, stupid, and ugly as possible on purpose.

  • bigchunk1
    bigchunk1 6 months ago

    Honestly, apart from the casino planet, the movie is either in space, Lukes planet, or the salt world. Why are we spending so much time on dead worlds? Star wars movies usually took us to interesting places. Say what you want about the first 3 films, but at least the scenery was nice. The casino planet was actually somewhere to go and that's why I think they forced the plot into it. Don't get me wrong, the casino planet didn't really have a point at all but they had to take us somewhere so they went with it.

  • Lulú Irizar
    Lulú Irizar 6 months ago +1

    never like the character

  • Frozlix
    Frozlix 6 months ago

    One interesting twist could have been that snoke was way to powerful for Ray and crushes her, brake her down mentaly and turn her to the dark side and make her kill Kylo. Then you would have a villian to fear since you would know both the power of Snoke and Ray. Who would be the hero to stand up agains them?

  • Incendiary Agenda
    Incendiary Agenda 6 months ago +1

    Imagine you're boutta nut in ya girl, and Rose crashes her speeder into you and knocks you out of the bed

  • Deschain19
    Deschain19 6 months ago

    I just think the movie had some really good themes, but the whole thing was very badly executed.
    So, if people are more focused on the broadest of strokes, then they'll love the movie. If they're more focused on the details, they'll hate the movie.

  • Skeepan
    Skeepan 6 months ago

    As much as I liked this movie, the anti capitalism message just struck me as a combination of ham handed, generally faulty in message itself, and entirely hypocritical. This movie is like Book 5 of The Wheel of Time, the highs are at their highest, but the lows are at their lowest. Overall positive experience, but some things just taste sour.

  • earthdate
    earthdate 6 months ago +1

    "Why Rose Doesn't Work"
    If this isn't comment baiting, I don't know what is!

  • TheSsbcandidates
    TheSsbcandidates 6 months ago +1

    Ethan Van Scriber loves Rose.

  • Austin Byrd
    Austin Byrd 6 months ago


  • LongRangeBushido
    LongRangeBushido 6 months ago +2

    If they kill rose off I'll be ok if jar jar comes back I would rather have jar jar then rose. Sadly I think jar jar is dead unless Disney is fucking with the canon more

  • Thatoneguy7272
    Thatoneguy7272 6 months ago +1

    The even dumber thing I don’t even know if rian Johnson watched TFA because in that movie they established that the first order are technically the rebels. The first order is basically doing a coup in the first movie. That scene where they destroyed the 4 planets, was supposed to be them destroying the new government of the galaxy. So the fact that the resistance kept being called rebels doesn’t make an ounce of sense. Also he ruined a bunch of established things in Star Wars such as in he beginning scene with the bombers. Why would you ever use those bombers if the y wing can do the same thing, better, and the ships won’t blow themselves up. Also atmosphere barriers have been established, all they needed to do to get people to stop complaining about the opening scene where she was exposed to space, was put a light blue sheen behind her. Boom done people shut up, but it was this lack of attention to detail that messed up this movie.

  • Oyanta
    Oyanta 7 months ago +1

    It was a bad movie, there is no debate brother; a movie that makes no sense in so many levels

  • ridethelapras
    ridethelapras 7 months ago +3

    “A Rose by any other name is still a shitty character.”