I didn't know he passed, thank you. A great actor plays a great antagonist. And what an enviable show for an actor to leave a legacy on. Rest In Peace, indeed.
The thing is, Dyatlov had a past history with nuclear incidents, and that was not shown on the HBO film. Before being deputy chief engineer at Chernobyl NPP, Dyatlov already worked as a nuclear engineer, installing reactors into Soviet nuclear submarines at Komsomolsk-on-Amur. There, he was involved and injured in a first nuclear accident, where he was seriously irradiated with a 200 rem exposure (about half of what he later suffered at ChNPP). He survived that, but unfortunately one of his sons developed leukaemia shortly afterwards and died-likely due to exposure from when Dyatlov returned home. This loss is said to have changed Dyatlov's behaviour and angered him, and for the rest of his career he was determined to "tame" the atom that had taken his son away from him-which supposedly is why he mistreated his staff and tried to recklessly conduct the test at all costs this fateful day... Of the plant's three top managers who were trialled (he was judged along with his chief engineer Nikolai Fomin and the plant's director Viktor Bryukhanov, all three being sentenced to 10 years imprisonment), Dyatlov was the first to pass away-he was released from prison due to poor health in late 1990 and ultimately died due to radiation induced heart failure in 1995. Nikolai Fomin, now aged 84, is the last survivor of the three, as Viktor Bryukhanov died on Oct. 13, 2021 aged 85 -the cause was not made public, but he was known to suffer from severe Parkinson's and to have had several strokes.
None of the reactors are active, btw. Last active one was shut down in 2000. The plant is used as an energy distribution router now. Other sources send energy there and it is appropriately distributed via the existing power grid system. Pretty cool use of the place, and fitting that it now gets to do its job in a safe manner, despite being subject to so much blatant malicious incompetence.
@RoboTube Funny how lately everything you see on the internet vociferously defending Russia's incompetence starts with "Well, it's the Ukranians who say..."
@Pteromandias Politics and culture are two different things. Communism, in theory, is great. However, when executed poorly, like it always has will result in terrible consequences. Even to this day Russia is plagued by both political and cultural problems. Political, in a sense that it's not a democracy, first of all. Everything is controlled by the state and if you don't agree, you're wrong and you will be punished for it. Cultural, in a sense that you don't question the leader. The president is treated as a tsar, and said tsar has a short temper (not the only thing that is short about Putin) so it's best not to anger him. Preferable you should just blend in as much as possible.
This series disturbed me more than 90% of horror movies I've watched. Seeing the deterioration of the bodies exposed to radiation was like something out of a body horror movie, except you remember this shit ACTUALLY HAPPENED in real life.
@Samar3n why most former USSR republics/satellites in Europe want to distance themselves from it? Surely all stories from my relatives there are just their imagination.
Another good tactic is to immediately go on the offensive 90% of people are so conflict averse that they won’t stand up to you and you can fairly easily pass off the blame to someone else. It’s honestly funny how often it’s worked for me and it’s done wonders for my own career.
Ive had bosses like Dyatlov, most mind numbing was my manager shouting at me for leaving the busy bar to change barrels and then him shouting at me on the bar for there being no beer, but then writing me up because I left the bar for second time to change the barrels he tasked me to do but had initially stopped me from doing 😂🤯
As much as Dyatlov, Bryukhanov and Fomin made serious mistakes, the reality is that they were scapegoats. The Soviet system was the biggest culprit. The reason I say that is because you could have substituted the three managers with other people from that time and place, and the results would have most likely been the same. In the interview Dyatlov gave years later, the most poignant thing he says is when he points out that in the Soviet Union, the state could never be to blame, only people.
@Frank I've met similar thinking, abet not quite as bad to the degree it cause a death ... But rather from a Line Manager whom got into an near verbal alteration with a Senior Staff member, whom worked for a Disability Advocacy Charity, whom had enough clout to speak directly to not one, but two Heads of Social Services, for the local Brough, and the neighbouring one, whom jointly shared resources, ala individuals way above her boss. When she tried to wriggle out from a Care Plan being "only a suggestion, taken as advisory", he shut down fast, not just by saying whom he met, but both said that anything written in a Care Plan is set in stone, and the provisions in it _must_ be carried out ... But there's a catch ... always a catch ... Funding. People hate Council Tax, but, for many Broughs, it is their sole source of income, and revenue, especially as they aren't able to turn to charitable funding, not private means. Added with caps, which further limits funds, that means a fixed 'income' even as costs rise. The result is the old Social Services teams, along with individuals whom gave a damn about those in their case load, either retired, or force to retire, having faced the dilemma of their line management, frequently replacements for the older managers, whom understood how it should be, are, instead pushing down from above to get either results, or cases closed, as the volume of work done (aka 'quotas') matters more than an individual child in crisis. Very often the newer social workers are hired direct from Universities, with a just a degree, and often little to no actual experience in the field, and without further education, especially in a graduate degree, the results are very often the early stages of neglect are missed. Missed appointments are not chased up, and what notes _are_ recorded, often gets buried in a case file, as the case load of each individual social worker is increased. Worse is the principle that a child, irrespective of race, and ethnicity, should only be removed as an _absolute_ last resort, especially as the resources available, via the Foster care system, is at breaking point, as is mental health care for children and adolescents. The reason why "lessons will be learned" has, especially in my lifetime, been repeated so often, is because it is some thing that can be said, not because it is right, but also is because it is something that can be said where something needs to be said. Between chronic underfunding; a drive to _not_ seperate children, even infants, especially from abusive mothers - especially the idea of a mother seriously abusing their own child is unthinkable, but happens more than is realised - plus the inability to place a child in danger in safe hands, as those services are also slashed due to chronic underfunding is ridiculous. My sister is in a care home, that is part of a larger network of care homes, under a larger umbrella of of a charity. Even though the Social Security benefits pay for her being there, there is little connection between the Sicial Services department, whom should have oversight, and the Care Home itself. And as that Care Home runs on an individual budget, far too often Agency Staff are used, rather than that majority of full-time employees. So whilst my sister seems happy ... suffice to say, I have my concerns. My sister can get very easily agitated, especially when it comes to, say, some cutting her hair. Last time I saw her, before the place went into lockdown over SARS-CoV-2, it was evident that some cut her hair with just clippers, as it was painfully obvious a large chunk was missing ... I know it is nowhere near on that same level, but, on the bus home, it struck me as to why "lessons will be learned" is repeated, all too often: because to really give a damn comes at a cost, a cost paid either in unfair sackings, due to the wrong toes being trod on; retirement due to utter burn out; inexperience; and unprofessionalism, when it comes to 'burying' a case, because, due to a number of intersecting reasons, it's not just a hot potato, but a highly irradiated chunk of pure graphite, and where removing a child not only requires the case to be heard in court, with the long delay attached to it, but also the resulting 'optics' ... Like any disaster, a child dying due to long term abuse, and/or neglect, is the end of a long chain of events, created not just by belligerent parents, but faults running through the entire system, where the few, good, decent, people are either shunted aside, sacked, or forced to resign, due to too many zip-ties ... which, I will argue, stems back not just from capping of council tax (which people hate paying), to any Government being nervous about public spending. It's like placing a solid lid on a pot of eventually boiling water ... something gives. So, everytime I hear that phrase, I laugh, without mirth; because, although each case is different, and, if you get into the weeds of the recommendations, there is a whole slew relating directly to an individual Brough. ... but, in the end, the same fundamental mistakes were made, resulting in similar deaths, abet of slightly different causes, it all amounts to the same thing: gross negligence. But, given the Byzantine method of governance within Social Services, criminal charges are hard to pin down, due to it being hard to point to any given individual whose actions resulted in the proximal death ... which either leads to acquittal, or far lesser charges. If 'Lessons will be Learnt' is taken seriously, then Social Services as related to vulnerable children, adolescents, and even adults, in an ideal world, would be done by a singular, UK wide agency, of highly trained professionals, in which entry is hard. Once in, past the vetting system, as trainees you undergo the necessary training to be compassionate, empathetic, but also able to tap directly into resources, as each manager is given training in trust, but verify, each case, with the appropriate individual, instead of being a person to whom one must go with a begging bowl. Said manager has the duty of care to raise specific cases up the scale of concern, with a precise chain of custody of each file, and every addition to it. Once reached a high enough level of concern, although the National Crime Agency usual deals with organised crime, how hard would it be to create a child, adolescent, and vulnerable adult division, which, thanks to Public, Private, and Charitable funding, Safe Havens can be across the UK, where their care is also handled by paid, professional, employees, and where prision is saved only, for serious and major crimes, and where more Secure Psychiatric Hospitals are built. For minor crimes, which seems to take up too much of the prision population, very often the level of malice involved doesn't warrant being locked up with hardened criminals ... another way should be found, which doesn't smack of 're-education camps', but drug rehabilitation where needed, remedial education in others, and sometimes >500hrs of community service, in lieu of a fine, but with a suspended sentence. ... but that is far too utopian. The grim reality is that it will be only a matter of time before another Baby P, another inquiry, another long list of recommendations, and another 'Lessons will be Learned' by the Local Authority, with only the parents involved, being convicted, and given prision sentences, often than less than proportional to the crimes, thanks to judges being hamstrung by 'mandatory sentences', more often than rather judicial failures ...
5:45 when the professor says he's not prepared to explain at this time he doesn't mean that he doesn't know how it happened, just that he can't openly talk about it. Chernobyl wasn't the first reactor of this type to melt down, the professor was part of the team that had identified the problem in the reactor design and pointed how it could potentially break down in a much worse way. But the reactors were cheap, mostly safe, and admitting the design was faulty would've caused national embarrassment. So the report was buried and the professor told by the KGB to never talk of his findings.
@Brandon Lawrence There's one other thing that shouldn't be forgotten, neither from the season, or the real life accident ... That Professor Legasov died, by suicide, two years, almost to the very second, after Chernobyl exploded, by hanging ... the mental toil on him must've been what pushed him to the brink ... I was in Secondary School, in South-West London, England, when it happened. Having had had many, many, X-rays before that happened I can't tell you the dose I received. But, knowing how radiation can transmutate isotopes, in adults of my generation, and older, in all the nations that was in the path of the radioactive drift, we all carry that feint signature of when actually hot nuclear fuel was blown into the atmosphere ... In fact, there is a TheXvid Channel by a female nuclear chemist, whom entered the Exclusion Zone, and, by a pure stroke of luck, especially with two dosimetry, found an actual fuel particle. Barely a mm in size, what scared me was just how radioactivity hot it still was, but fortunately, it wasn't so hot that it couldn't be touched with bare hands ...
@Brandon Lawrence Thks very much for a long answer. I have not watched this show yet as it’s quite a horrific topic and Thks for telling about the other movie
@Ivan I If you're interested in parsing the fact from fiction, this series is essentially a Hollywood-ized (but still very well done) adaptation of "Midnight in Chernobyl." But yes, there had been issues with the RBMK known for quite a bit. The positive void coefficient at low power, the runaway excursion upon pressing AZ-5 due to graphite tip effect, those had all occurred before, resulting in accidents that were locally very significant and destructive, and had all been covered up by the Soviet gov't. Changes were made to spec given to plant operators in order to ensure the reactor would not be placed in conditions priming it for disaster, but no specific reason was given for the changes, because that reason was classified. And in a place like the USSR, the rules would be bent frequently to prioritize continuing operation rather than worker safety. The blame for Chernobyl is on a spectrum between the plant managers, the designers of the RBMK, and the Soviet gov't itself. But I would say mostly on the gov't, who withheld information from those who needed it to safely operate their own reactors. Also, the scientist lady did not actually exist; instead, her character is an amalgamation of many, many scientists who worked with Legasov to model/predict the behavior of the burning reactor, and surveyed the workers at the site.
@AtotehZ Grading is no punishment, it's feedback to rate your performance. If the parents initial response is punishment, then that's on them. A lot of parents sadly treat their children as adults and can t imagine that they need their guidance and support to excel.
He's too confident because they didn't know that rbmk could explode, that wy even if he already saw the graphite he still denies that the core exploded because for what they know, their reactor can't possibly explode
The "I apologize" was absolutely well done. You are a man who has put the business first your entire career. You are in a meeting with those who will determine the fate of a core and the future of your job. You are absolutely aware you are losing your grip on a situation but are desperately trying to cling to any semblance of normality and control. You throw up, and the first thing you can think to say is "I apologize." before passing out in a painful fashion. Just trying to keep everything somewhat normal.
"The official position of the state is that a global nuclear catastrophe is not possible on the Soviet Union." Of all the spectacular lines of dialogue in this show, this one is my favourite.
When I watched this, I kept rewinding to the part where the control room workers went to see if it was true that the core was gone. When they pried open that door, and peeked over into the reactor, and saw that burning, raging mass of fire that that been the core....it was horrifying. It's like looking into Hell. It was Hell for those men....none of them survived and died terrible deaths
I’m telling you I work with people very similar to the people in this show. This is not a russian problem it’s a human problem. People will always protect their own self interest over the lives of others. It’s very unfortunate
Not always. And this was a systematic problem where people could not speak up to their superiors. Look at America during COVID, Americans are free and are definitely will to speak up against what they believe is wrong.
This whole event was one giant monument to ass-covering and blame-shifting, and shows exactly what happens in societies where people fear the authorities more than they fear a friggin' nuclear meltdown.
I just saw a Ukrainian drone photo which labelled the 70 Russian vehicles destroyed in an attempt to cross a river such as BMPs, T-80Us, etc. In the middle there is a huge pile of tanks and APCs that couldnt get off the pontoon bridge as it was destroyed by artillery and its simply labelled as 'Clusterfuck, AKA not great not terrible'
@Joao PereiraDid I though? Band of Brothers is great, like generally so far above anything being made but it’s just that Chernobyl and Generation Kill are so far above that.
I was 2 years old when it happened and I was 1500 km away from it. Of course I will not forget it, I mean, not like there's something to remember, but I understand why my parents was concerned.
@Felina This is one thing I'm curious about. How much of the "KGB hides reactor flaw" was true. Not that the KGB wouldn't do such a thing, of course they would. But would the KGB, known for being devilishly clever at psychology and politics but often absolute morons at hard science, even know enough to keep things properly contained? It's a drama, not a documentary. The show undeniably has "facts" that are not true, but at the same time it was veeeery accurate because the writers wanted it to be (and TBF, so much of the reality didn't need dramatization to be gripping). It also has stories that can never be verified, like who was standing on the "bridge of death" that night and how many of them died. But the lingering questions and curiosity are only proof of how good the show was. We care, because it told the story in a way that made us care, and understand.
@Billy The-Kid not when it comes to managing a nuclear power station you don't. There's no safety redundancy. Not even in oil they won't tolerate that. Everyone is earning enough money that you do everything you have to do. No excuses.
As a steamship engineer, during my forty years at sea, I encountered many a-holes in charge, supposedly in charge, but out of their minds in one way or another
@James Stone That's how some engineers referred to 1000psi boilers... just giant teapots. One chief engineer said we merely boil water and redirect the steam.
This is, ultimately, a very warped and unrealistic view of Anatoly Dyatlov, in fact it's insulting. There was no particular panic in the control room before the accident nor was the AZ-5 pushed due to some emergency. Dyatlov knew immediately that the reactor had exploded from his indications and he went out of the control room personally to investigate the damage, and took one of the larger doses amongst the control room staff. He tried to look for Khodemchuk, and he defended his operators to the hilt at the trial. Dyatlov was not perfect, and his decisions to deviate from the procedure (which, to be clear, weren't unusual or a one off) ultimately put the reactor in an unstable state that he was simply not aware of, but whilst he was known to be a hard man who very much ruled the control room, he wasn't as obviously incompetent and violent as depicted here, and he did care for his personnel and the whole 'in denial about the reactor being destroyed' thing shown here was completely false.
I love this series. The cinematography, colors and acting are superb. Just stunning that people behaved this way. The Russian people are extremely brave. “What is the cost of lies?”.
@Isoscel1982 to be fair though the tsunami was just one reason it happened. The main cause was gross negligence by the company for not preparing for a tsunami beforehand by moving their backup generators/preparing to allow them to stay running in the event of a catastrophe.
@FutureMartian97 Actually, there was an explosion in reactor unit 2 at Fukushima. Although they claimed that the containment vessel has not been breached but was damaged by the explosion. Unit 1,3 and 4 are the units that suffered hydrogen explosion which blown off the containment building walls. Unit 2 containment building is the only one still fully intact but with severely damaged reactor vessel inside. Its also the unit they have the most problem with cleaning up. Stop misinforming people and get your fact right.
The fact that I hated every party man when this show started and felt bad for them by the end shows just how much this show triumphed over any others. This is one of the best shows ever to be on the air
Fun fact: Most modern day managers owe their leadership skills to the Anatoly Dyatlov school of management, which is world renowned for producing extremely affordable middle managers.
"How can I be responsible for this? I was sleeping!" - I guess I need to watch the series now to find out if that actually worked, because if it did, I'm gonna have a whole new outlook on life.
5:49 i love the cut from this attitude to the next at 5:57 because someone finally higher-up than them and with some form of power told them they were wrong.
Until I've heard about Russian conscripts digging trenches into the Red forest (which got already confirmed by satellite and drone images...) I had a little bit of hope, just a little bit, that this show over-dramatized Russian incompetence, ignorance and negligence, but here we are it didn't. God save us all.....
I wonder if he died knowing the full extent of what he'd done. The sheer impact on the world, the fact that even decades later we'd still be dealing with the fallout (literal and figurative) of his poor management. The countless dead. The historical profundity. I wonder if he ever realized the utter magnitude of his choices, the hundreds of lives and billions of dollars lost.
The whole show blew reality out of proportionY by far not as many people died as claimed. It’s stupid anti nuclear propaganda - making a point by taking the worst possible example.
This is...unprecedented. This is better than any movie in the past 3 years. Every single actor was incredible. Glued to the screen. Absolute masterpiece of a show. Going to rewatch very soon.
@The Infamous Mr Fox And I never said anything about him not being at Vienna. I KNOW he was in Vienna. The series doesn’t show Vienna at all. Just at the trial. And he wasn’t there.
@The Infamous Mr Fox I’m too busy to hold your hand. Do your own research. But I’ll give you 1 large inaccuracy - Lavrov wasn’t even at the trial of Dyatlov and Bryukhanov. He didn’t launch an attack on the Soviet government in an open court.
@Kaspen82 I think he is deep down a very tragic figure. In the series we get like 3 seconds of realization at the end (when the bad design is revealed to him). The real villain was the screwed up system.
(speaking strictly on the USSR) The largest issue the Soviet Union had was hubris and pride. They were more focused on being right than being correct. They saw their problems disapear in their mind as long as they had someone to blame.
When the Soviets first began openly discussing the accident on the news they quickly shifted the topic to America's own accident at Three Mile Island. Not that I have anything against Russians or think that the US is perfect in any way. Just interesting how the time before Glasnost was all about secrecy and deflection.
Middle managers and non-experts denying, and defying what they're being repeatedly told, to the detriment of others, is a whole kind of slow building frustrating terror by itself.
@Beth Krager Sadly Akimov and Toptunov died for nothing. All the valves they opened just sent water through shattered pipes to collect in the bubbler pools below. They got their fatal exposure while they were in the pump room opening the valves (it took several hours to open all of them). Of course if they had lived they would have been sent to a labor camp with Dyatlov and the others.
@schpeidermann A great strength of comedy is repetition. This person's comment serves the same purpose as this video. It permits us to reexperience. If I may offer a counterargument, comments like yours are drearily common, as well.
The acting in this series was mind blowingly good. Got to give the Brits that...they make fucking SUPERB thespian actors. Shout out to the writing, cinematography and directing staff too. All incredible.
“If you weren’t in the room when they raised the power then where were you?” Dyatlov: “the toilet” Legosov: “that is how an rbmk reactor core explodes”
That actually would have been hilarious. Imagine the scene afterwards where the KGB man is scolding Legasov over telling the truth. "You will hold your position in office but you will have no duties, you will have no friends. Other men, lesser men, will be credited with what you have achieved. It will become difficult for anyone to know that you ever existed". All because he blamed Dyatlov for being in the toilet. XD
2:28 "But in the reactor building - I'm being told - 3.6 roentgen per hour". Note the pause for effect after "I'm being told" - plausible deniability so he can blame it on being misinformed. Brilliant shithole work.
After seeing thing any one can run the nuclear power plant ..just push sime round square colured button....so explosios may happen...its not a big proplem...tell pump water if reactor exists ...😂😡😂😡😂😡😂😡
When Boris shows up, the two middle managers immediately give him a list of people who they want to blame. No discussion of what they should do first to stop the crisis, no questions about the status of the men or the overall situation, or the civilians in Pripyat. No apologies, nothing. Just blame. All they can think about is "whose fault is this and how can I make sure I don't get in trouble?" That's the mark of a bad leader. They never accept responsibility for their actions. Dyatlov and the other two knuckleheads whose names I forgot are bad leaders.
@CST Graphpads Just DDT, Thalidomide, BSE, Bhopal, Prince William Sound, The Titanic, The Child Murdering South American death squads, Gulf War syndrome and Flint Michigan then? Capitalism is such a great system.
One of the best HBO miniseries in existence. Highly recommend the series. Edit: Holy got damn sorry for calling it a docuseries, never seen a group of people more butthurt over something as small as that. Based on my own research a lot of the events in the show happened in real life, whilst yes some creative liberties were taken, I saw the show as a whole accurate to the event. Thats why I called it a docuseries.
@naecotsol You didn’t say the word docudrama. Docudrama is a simple word to explain what this is more concisely that your long-winded explanation. Thanks :)
I was stationed on a US Navy repair ship located in Dunoon Scotland. The Chernobyl cloud lit off all our radiation alarms on the ship. It was quite a night.
The most accurate thing in this entire series was that thing on Gorbachevs head. I think they nailed it. Shape, color, etc. I hope the make up artist won an Emmy!
@ursuss100 I wouldn't call them tips. They were more like control rods with graphite displacement bars. The problem is that these graphite bars were not filling the reactor all the way down, and the most active part at the time of the accident was at the bottom. When the rods came down, disaster. Counter-intuitively, if the graphite bars occupied the full length of the reactor, they could have detected this excess reactivity much sooner, and the AZ-5 would only quench the reaction instead of creating a surge. It is a bit ironic.
@Miltonjon Yh I’m aware of risk compensation. If you advertised to someone that a helmet they wore would never break or allow their skull to be harmed then of course anyone who wore it would trust that it would protect them and not break which would then cause them to push the boundaries of risk and increase chances of them actually breaking their skulls or something. I was just making a comparison that unfortunate accidents like titanic and Chernobyl were products of fatal errors in human contraptions that were widely underestimated in their risk factors :)
There's a thing called risk compensation. When people feel safer, they take bigger risks. When ABS was invented and praised and advertised everywhere, there were more car crashes for a while - because people thought they had this "magic" crash protection. At the same time, if you - incorrectly - assume your ship can't sink or your reactor can't blow up, you push it to stupid limits....
Rest in Peace, Paul Ritter. His acting was great, not terrible.
*clap*
I didn't know he passed, thank you.
A great actor plays a great antagonist. And what an enviable show for an actor to leave a legacy on. Rest In Peace, indeed.
what, how did he die. i bet radiation poisoning :(
omg by radiation?
“Another few minutes it will all be over” *meanwhile 35 years later*
So the Russians that occupied Chernobyl only have around a year left to live.
@Yash Gupta no manmade structure has ever stand for so long.
@Nick Blinko absolutely crazy bro
7 months later, Russian soldiers open fire on the ChNPP.
The thing is, Dyatlov had a past history with nuclear incidents, and that was not shown on the HBO film.
Before being deputy chief engineer at Chernobyl NPP, Dyatlov already worked as a nuclear engineer, installing reactors into Soviet nuclear submarines at Komsomolsk-on-Amur. There, he was involved and injured in a first nuclear accident, where he was seriously irradiated with a 200 rem exposure (about half of what he later suffered at ChNPP).
He survived that, but unfortunately one of his sons developed leukaemia shortly afterwards and died-likely due to exposure from when Dyatlov returned home.
This loss is said to have changed Dyatlov's behaviour and angered him, and for the rest of his career he was determined to "tame" the atom that had taken his son away from him-which supposedly is why he mistreated his staff and tried to recklessly conduct the test at all costs this fateful day...
Of the plant's three top managers who were trialled (he was judged along with his chief engineer Nikolai Fomin and the plant's director Viktor Bryukhanov, all three being sentenced to 10 years imprisonment), Dyatlov was the first to pass away-he was released from prison due to poor health in late 1990 and ultimately died due to radiation induced heart failure in 1995.
Nikolai Fomin, now aged 84, is the last survivor of the three, as Viktor Bryukhanov died on Oct. 13, 2021 aged 85 -the cause was not made public, but he was known to suffer from severe Parkinson's and to have had several strokes.
@RoboTube poo
None of the reactors are active, btw. Last active one was shut down in 2000. The plant is used as an energy distribution router now. Other sources send energy there and it is appropriately distributed via the existing power grid system. Pretty cool use of the place, and fitting that it now gets to do its job in a safe manner, despite being subject to so much blatant malicious incompetence.
If its true that nikolai fomin is alive today, i wonder how is he doing now that his country is invaded by his former counterparts.
@RoboTube Funny how lately everything you see on the internet vociferously defending Russia's incompetence starts with "Well, it's the Ukranians who say..."
The meter is pegged out at the highest reading it can show. Conclusion: Assume that is the reading. Brilliance.
@TNTFreddan No, in theory it's terrible. It's simply wrong. It's not that it has been implemented poorly, it's predictions have never panned out.
@Pteromandias Politics and culture are two different things. Communism, in theory, is great. However, when executed poorly, like it always has will result in terrible consequences. Even to this day Russia is plagued by both political and cultural problems. Political, in a sense that it's not a democracy, first of all. Everything is controlled by the state and if you don't agree, you're wrong and you will be punished for it. Cultural, in a sense that you don't question the leader. The president is treated as a tsar, and said tsar has a short temper (not the only thing that is short about Putin) so it's best not to anger him. Preferable you should just blend in as much as possible.
That's a chest x-ray it's nothing!
@Erik Dayne Not sure how different that mentality is in that nation today.
@Samuel Lourenço It should just have no numbers and say "You're likely dead."
This series disturbed me more than 90% of horror movies I've watched. Seeing the deterioration of the bodies exposed to radiation was like something out of a body horror movie, except you remember this shit ACTUALLY HAPPENED in real life.
@Samar3n why most former USSR republics/satellites in Europe want to distance themselves from it? Surely all stories from my relatives there are just their imagination.
@Samar3n
Lol
Dafuq do you know about USSR?
I was born and grew up in there
@George Danilov Anti-USSR propaganda, congratulations, you just ate it
@James Butler no I'm someone who studied radioactivity.
"No one can blame me for this. How can I be responsible? I was sleeping!" - Me when we fail a group project
@Hayden Lau it’s pathetic isn’t it?
Desperation
Another good tactic is to immediately go on the offensive 90% of people are so conflict averse that they won’t stand up to you and you can fairly easily pass off the blame to someone else. It’s honestly funny how often it’s worked for me and it’s done wonders for my own career.
Ive had bosses like Dyatlov, most mind numbing was my manager shouting at me for leaving the busy bar to change barrels and then him shouting at me on the bar for there being no beer, but then writing me up because I left the bar for second time to change the barrels he tasked me to do but had initially stopped me from doing 😂🤯
@Gaming Cinematics I wouldve tried and take his whole job
@popolynn2 I did indeed a week later for a better job 👌
Exactly. Tone at the top. Doomed to fail. Same culture everywhere.
you quit... right?
As much as Dyatlov, Bryukhanov and Fomin made serious mistakes, the reality is that they were scapegoats. The Soviet system was the biggest culprit. The reason I say that is because you could have substituted the three managers with other people from that time and place, and the results would have most likely been the same. In the interview Dyatlov gave years later, the most poignant thing he says is when he points out that in the Soviet Union, the state could never be to blame, only people.
@Frank
I've met similar thinking, abet not quite as bad to the degree it cause a death ...
But rather from a Line Manager whom got into an near verbal alteration with a Senior Staff member, whom worked for a Disability Advocacy Charity, whom had enough clout to speak directly to not one, but two Heads of Social Services, for the local Brough, and the neighbouring one, whom jointly shared resources, ala individuals way above her boss. When she tried to wriggle out from a Care Plan being "only a suggestion, taken as advisory", he shut down fast, not just by saying whom he met, but both said that anything written in a Care Plan is set in stone, and the provisions in it _must_ be carried out ...
But there's a catch ... always a catch ...
Funding.
People hate Council Tax, but, for many Broughs, it is their sole source of income, and revenue, especially as they aren't able to turn to charitable funding, not private means.
Added with caps, which further limits funds, that means a fixed 'income' even as costs rise.
The result is the old Social Services teams, along with individuals whom gave a damn about those in their case load, either retired, or force to retire, having faced the dilemma of their line management, frequently replacements for the older managers, whom understood how it should be, are, instead pushing down from above to get either results, or cases closed, as the volume of work done (aka 'quotas') matters more than an individual child in crisis. Very often the newer social workers are hired direct from Universities, with a just a degree, and often little to no actual experience in the field, and without further education, especially in a graduate degree, the results are very often the early stages of neglect are missed. Missed appointments are not chased up, and what notes _are_ recorded, often gets buried in a case file, as the case load of each individual social worker is increased.
Worse is the principle that a child, irrespective of race, and ethnicity, should only be removed as an _absolute_ last resort, especially as the resources available, via the Foster care system, is at breaking point, as is mental health care for children and adolescents.
The reason why "lessons will be learned" has, especially in my lifetime, been repeated so often, is because it is some thing that can be said, not because it is right, but also is because it is something that can be said where something needs to be said. Between chronic underfunding; a drive to _not_ seperate children, even infants, especially from abusive mothers - especially the idea of a mother seriously abusing their own child is unthinkable, but happens more than is realised - plus the inability to place a child in danger in safe hands, as those services are also slashed due to chronic underfunding is ridiculous.
My sister is in a care home, that is part of a larger network of care homes, under a larger umbrella of of a charity. Even though the Social Security benefits pay for her being there, there is little connection between the Sicial Services department, whom should have oversight, and the Care Home itself. And as that Care Home runs on an individual budget, far too often Agency Staff are used, rather than that majority of full-time employees.
So whilst my sister seems happy ... suffice to say, I have my concerns. My sister can get very easily agitated, especially when it comes to, say, some cutting her hair. Last time I saw her, before the place went into lockdown over SARS-CoV-2, it was evident that some cut her hair with just clippers, as it was painfully obvious a large chunk was missing ...
I know it is nowhere near on that same level, but, on the bus home, it struck me as to why "lessons will be learned" is repeated, all too often: because to really give a damn comes at a cost, a cost paid either in unfair sackings, due to the wrong toes being trod on; retirement due to utter burn out; inexperience; and unprofessionalism, when it comes to 'burying' a case, because, due to a number of intersecting reasons, it's not just a hot potato, but a highly irradiated chunk of pure graphite, and where removing a child not only requires the case to be heard in court, with the long delay attached to it, but also the resulting 'optics' ...
Like any disaster, a child dying due to long term abuse, and/or neglect, is the end of a long chain of events, created not just by belligerent parents, but faults running through the entire system, where the few, good, decent, people are either shunted aside, sacked, or forced to resign, due to too many zip-ties ... which, I will argue, stems back not just from capping of council tax (which people hate paying), to any Government being nervous about public spending. It's like placing a solid lid on a pot of eventually boiling water ... something gives.
So, everytime I hear that phrase, I laugh, without mirth; because, although each case is different, and, if you get into the weeds of the recommendations, there is a whole slew relating directly to an individual Brough.
... but, in the end, the same fundamental mistakes were made, resulting in similar deaths, abet of slightly different causes, it all amounts to the same thing: gross negligence. But, given the Byzantine method of governance within Social Services, criminal charges are hard to pin down, due to it being hard to point to any given individual whose actions resulted in the proximal death ... which either leads to acquittal, or far lesser charges.
If 'Lessons will be Learnt' is taken seriously, then Social Services as related to vulnerable children, adolescents, and even adults, in an ideal world, would be done by a singular, UK wide agency, of highly trained professionals, in which entry is hard. Once in, past the vetting system, as trainees you undergo the necessary training to be compassionate, empathetic, but also able to tap directly into resources, as each manager is given training in trust, but verify, each case, with the appropriate individual, instead of being a person to whom one must go with a begging bowl. Said manager has the duty of care to raise specific cases up the scale of concern, with a precise chain of custody of each file, and every addition to it. Once reached a high enough level of concern, although the National Crime Agency usual deals with organised crime, how hard would it be to create a child, adolescent, and vulnerable adult division, which, thanks to Public, Private, and Charitable funding, Safe Havens can be across the UK, where their care is also handled by paid, professional, employees, and where prision is saved only, for serious and major crimes, and where more Secure Psychiatric Hospitals are built. For minor crimes, which seems to take up too much of the prision population, very often the level of malice involved doesn't warrant being locked up with hardened criminals ... another way should be found, which doesn't smack of 're-education camps', but drug rehabilitation where needed, remedial education in others, and sometimes >500hrs of community service, in lieu of a fine, but with a suspended sentence.
... but that is far too utopian. The grim reality is that it will be only a matter of time before another Baby P, another inquiry, another long list of recommendations, and another 'Lessons will be Learned' by the Local Authority, with only the parents involved, being convicted, and given prision sentences, often than less than proportional to the crimes, thanks to judges being hamstrung by 'mandatory sentences', more often than rather judicial failures ...
Sounds like the UK social services "lessons will be learned" - but they never are and no one is accountable.
@Eric Vosselmans You mean the soviet union 2.0?
have you taken a good look at the EUropean paradise lately?
5:45 when the professor says he's not prepared to explain at this time he doesn't mean that he doesn't know how it happened, just that he can't openly talk about it. Chernobyl wasn't the first reactor of this type to melt down, the professor was part of the team that had identified the problem in the reactor design and pointed how it could potentially break down in a much worse way. But the reactors were cheap, mostly safe, and admitting the design was faulty would've caused national embarrassment. So the report was buried and the professor told by the KGB to never talk of his findings.
@Brandon Lawrence
There's one other thing that shouldn't be forgotten, neither from the season, or the real life accident ...
That Professor Legasov died, by suicide, two years, almost to the very second, after Chernobyl exploded, by hanging ... the mental toil on him must've been what pushed him to the brink ...
I was in Secondary School, in South-West London, England, when it happened. Having had had many, many, X-rays before that happened I can't tell you the dose I received.
But, knowing how radiation can transmutate isotopes, in adults of my generation, and older, in all the nations that was in the path of the radioactive drift, we all carry that feint signature of when actually hot nuclear fuel was blown into the atmosphere ...
In fact, there is a TheXvid Channel by a female nuclear chemist, whom entered the Exclusion Zone, and, by a pure stroke of luck, especially with two dosimetry, found an actual fuel particle.
Barely a mm in size, what scared me was just how radioactivity hot it still was, but fortunately, it wasn't so hot that it couldn't be touched with bare hands ...
@Brandon Lawrence Thks very much for a long answer. I have not watched this show yet as it’s quite a horrific topic and Thks for telling about the other movie
@Ivan I If you're interested in parsing the fact from fiction, this series is essentially a Hollywood-ized (but still very well done) adaptation of "Midnight in Chernobyl."
But yes, there had been issues with the RBMK known for quite a bit. The positive void coefficient at low power, the runaway excursion upon pressing AZ-5 due to graphite tip effect, those had all occurred before, resulting in accidents that were locally very significant and destructive, and had all been covered up by the Soviet gov't. Changes were made to spec given to plant operators in order to ensure the reactor would not be placed in conditions priming it for disaster, but no specific reason was given for the changes, because that reason was classified. And in a place like the USSR, the rules would be bent frequently to prioritize continuing operation rather than worker safety. The blame for Chernobyl is on a spectrum between the plant managers, the designers of the RBMK, and the Soviet gov't itself. But I would say mostly on the gov't, who withheld information from those who needed it to safely operate their own reactors.
Also, the scientist lady did not actually exist; instead, her character is an amalgamation of many, many scientists who worked with Legasov to model/predict the behavior of the burning reactor, and surveyed the workers at the site.
@Ivan I Not off the top of my head, it's just a lot of things I've read over the years.
@Bruce Tucker have you maybe a link for this? would like to read something about this
Dude: literally explodes, covers the floor in body parts
Dyatlov: He'll be fine, I've seen worse.
it'll buff out
because he had
Dude: physically melts into a puddle of gore
Dyatlov: This man is delusional
I like how Dyatlov strongly thinks he can control reality by denying everything he experiences.
@AtotehZ
Grading is no punishment, it's feedback to rate your performance.
If the parents initial response is punishment, then that's on them.
A lot of parents sadly treat their children as adults and can t imagine that they need their guidance and support to excel.
Welcome to the USSR style of thinking...
He's too confident because they didn't know that rbmk could explode, that wy even if he already saw the graphite he still denies that the core exploded because for what they know, their reactor can't possibly explode
It's growing increasingly common these days, unfortunately #alternativefacts
The reactor core couldn’t handle how much of a fucking chad Dyatlov was.
@बाका more like balls of lead
or, "the reactor core couldn't handle Dyatlov's balls of steal."
All of this could have been avoided if he just told the reactor that it didn’t explode and to stop being delusional
The "I apologize" was absolutely well done. You are a man who has put the business first your entire career. You are in a meeting with those who will determine the fate of a core and the future of your job. You are absolutely aware you are losing your grip on a situation but are desperately trying to cling to any semblance of normality and control.
You throw up, and the first thing you can think to say is "I apologize." before passing out in a painful fashion. Just trying to keep everything somewhat normal.
I love the line: "How can I be responsible? I was sleeping!" (2:17)
He answers his own question :-)
"The official position of the state is that a global nuclear catastrophe is not possible on the Soviet Union."
Of all the spectacular lines of dialogue in this show, this one is my favourite.
It's a shame Paul Ritter isn't getting more accolades: his portrayal of Dyatlov is stunning.
Not good not terrible
John Ricercato agreed.
I'm roasting in here. This shitting reactor is shitting boiling.
Stunningly inaccurate, yes.
@idntshagsheep Which do you think was a bigger disaster, destroying the reactor or spilling oil on mum's carpet?
This is cut so perfectly
“Raise the powah”
“Another few minutes this will all be over”
Half a second later the reactor core explodes
"I worked in a shoe factory, and now I'm in charged. To the workers of the world." This perfectly sums up all the problem this show has to say.
Such a great series. Historically accurate, well-acted, terrifying, and sad.
When I watched this, I kept rewinding to the part where the control room workers went to see if it was true that the core was gone. When they pried open that door, and peeked over into the reactor, and saw that burning, raging mass of fire that that been the core....it was horrifying. It's like looking into Hell. It was Hell for those men....none of them survived and died terrible deaths
Dude: walks into room with skin melting off
Dyatlov: "He's delusional"
Injuries are not great not terrible
in real life the skin wouldnt fall off like that imidiatly you would just be red like sunburns
@Zach Matthews Boris Johnson energy
@goldslinger its not a movie its a series
@Zach Matthews We've all been there :D
I’m telling you I work with people very similar to the people in this show. This is not a russian problem it’s a human problem. People will always protect their own self interest over the lives of others. It’s very unfortunate
it is not a universal human problem. But yes, there are many people out there who are selfish, dumb, and extremely insecure.
Not always.
And this was a systematic problem where people could not speak up to their superiors. Look at America during COVID, Americans are free and are definitely will to speak up against what they believe is wrong.
This whole event was one giant monument to ass-covering and blame-shifting, and shows exactly what happens in societies where people fear the authorities more than they fear a friggin' nuclear meltdown.
I wonder if the director had any idea how many memes and jokes would be created from the simple phrase 3.6 Roentgen.
I just saw a Ukrainian drone photo which labelled the 70 Russian vehicles destroyed in an attempt to cross a river such as BMPs, T-80Us, etc. In the middle there is a huge pile of tanks and APCs that couldnt get off the pontoon bridge as it was destroyed by artillery and its simply labelled as 'Clusterfuck, AKA not great not terrible'
Seen this series 3 times. Extremely well made. One of my favorites
This is the kind of series you keep in your heart forever.
@Joao PereiraDid I though?
Band of Brothers is great, like generally so far above anything being made but it’s just that Chernobyl and Generation Kill are so far above that.
@Sqysh u forgot Band of Brothers
I was 2 years old when it happened and I was 1500 km away from it.
Of course I will not forget it, I mean, not like there's something to remember, but I understand why my parents was concerned.
This is the kind of series you keep in your thyroid forever.
Facts
I always have to remind myself when I despise a character that the actor is just doing an amazing job!
"Our warship Moskva sank due to an accidental fire and bad weather. Not great, not terrible."
“Get the backup pumps running”
"You're confused, RBMK reactors don't explode."
Block 4: "Here, hold my graphite."
Con O’Neill’s performance as Bryukhanov is so great. Just absolutely portrays this upper level manager who refuses to take any responsibility
*A guy is literally being atomized by radiation*
Dylatlov: "I've seen worse"
@Jez Franco It's just a flesh wound.
@Felina This is one thing I'm curious about. How much of the "KGB hides reactor flaw" was true. Not that the KGB wouldn't do such a thing, of course they would. But would the KGB, known for being devilishly clever at psychology and politics but often absolute morons at hard science, even know enough to keep things properly contained?
It's a drama, not a documentary. The show undeniably has "facts" that are not true, but at the same time it was veeeery accurate because the writers wanted it to be (and TBF, so much of the reality didn't need dramatization to be gripping). It also has stories that can never be verified, like who was standing on the "bridge of death" that night and how many of them died. But the lingering questions and curiosity are only proof of how good the show was. We care, because it told the story in a way that made us care, and understand.
"not any worse than that, camp I visited before I got into politics"
-Dylatlov, 1982
The most horrifying thing in this series is when Dyatlov asks for a "butter and caviar sandwich." Is that even a real thing? I'm afraid to Google it 😭
@Billy The-Kid not when it comes to managing a nuclear power station you don't. There's no safety redundancy. Not even in oil they won't tolerate that. Everyone is earning enough money that you do everything you have to do. No excuses.
Watching the trust and even friendship between Legasov and Scherbina was absolutely incredible. This series is really something special.
As a steamship engineer, during my forty years at sea, I encountered many a-holes in charge, supposedly in charge, but out of their minds in one way or another
@James Stone That's how some engineers referred to 1000psi boilers... just giant teapots. One chief engineer said we merely boil water and redirect the steam.
a nuclear reactor is simply a giant kettle. lies about nuclear power and nuclear weapons as long as my arm, and yours
This is, ultimately, a very warped and unrealistic view of Anatoly Dyatlov, in fact it's insulting. There was no particular panic in the control room before the accident nor was the AZ-5 pushed due to some emergency. Dyatlov knew immediately that the reactor had exploded from his indications and he went out of the control room personally to investigate the damage, and took one of the larger doses amongst the control room staff. He tried to look for Khodemchuk, and he defended his operators to the hilt at the trial.
Dyatlov was not perfect, and his decisions to deviate from the procedure (which, to be clear, weren't unusual or a one off) ultimately put the reactor in an unstable state that he was simply not aware of, but whilst he was known to be a hard man who very much ruled the control room, he wasn't as obviously incompetent and violent as depicted here, and he did care for his personnel and the whole 'in denial about the reactor being destroyed' thing shown here was completely false.
I love this series. The cinematography, colors and acting are superb. Just stunning that people behaved this way. The Russian people are extremely brave. “What is the cost of lies?”.
“RBMK reactors don’t explode”
Ironically the only type that ever exploded.
Titanic claimed to be unsinkable, you know
@Isoscel1982 to be fair though the tsunami was just one reason it happened. The main cause was gross negligence by the company for not preparing for a tsunami beforehand by moving their backup generators/preparing to allow them to stay running in the event of a catastrophe.
That wasn't an explosion. It was only a very sudden expansion with fire.
@FutureMartian97 Actually, there was an explosion in reactor unit 2 at Fukushima. Although they claimed that the containment vessel has not been breached but was damaged by the explosion.
Unit 1,3 and 4 are the units that suffered hydrogen explosion which blown off the containment building walls.
Unit 2 containment building is the only one still fully intact but with severely damaged reactor vessel inside. Its also the unit they have the most problem with cleaning up.
Stop misinforming people and get your fact right.
@Shaun Youre delusional!
“I was in the toilet..”
“And that’s how an RBMK reactor explodes.”
The fact that I hated every party man when this show started and felt bad for them by the end shows just how much this show triumphed over any others. This is one of the best shows ever to be on the air
Dyatlov must have been having a full blown psychotic episode if that scene in the control room is even 50% accurate
Dyatlov was right, nobody believed him
He clearly said
" everything will be over in few minutes"
Fun fact: Most modern day managers owe their leadership skills to the Anatoly Dyatlov school of management, which is world renowned for producing extremely affordable middle managers.
@VersusARCH short version: "kiss up, kick down"
This kind of management style is frequent when managers are chosen by higher ups.
Structure a workplace like a dictatorship and get similar results.
Been there, got burnout because I die not realize the Kind of management i was working under. My fault
@Reddsoldier maybe dyatlov was competing for the same job
computername I’m the 1000th like
One of the most shocking revelations for me in this series was although this was terrible, it could have ended up so much worse.
"if you weren't in the room then where were you?"
"The toilet"
"..that is how an RBMK reactor core explodes"
The editing here is HILARIOUS. 😁😁
"How can I be responsible for this? I was sleeping!" - I guess I need to watch the series now to find out if that actually worked, because if it did, I'm gonna have a whole new outlook on life.
Spoiler: he did a few years in a gulag.
One of the best Miniseries I have ever seen. Had me absolutely hooked.
Ivan the Terrible
Peter the Great
Dyatlov the Not Great, Not Terrible
alexander the great is more well known then peter the great, should have used that in ur analogy
@James Williams 777 you didn’t see graphite
Sherbina the party man
Now, that is an original comment.
ROFL
5:49 i love the cut from this attitude to the next at 5:57 because someone finally higher-up than them and with some form of power told them they were wrong.
Until I've heard about Russian conscripts digging trenches into the Red forest (which got already confirmed by satellite and drone images...) I had a little bit of hope, just a little bit, that this show over-dramatized Russian incompetence, ignorance and negligence, but here we are it didn't. God save us all.....
@Chukyka he’s in shock.
3.6 röngen per hour in forest not great not terrible. Russians didn't see grafit on ground becouse is not there...
I wonder if he died knowing the full extent of what he'd done. The sheer impact on the world, the fact that even decades later we'd still be dealing with the fallout (literal and figurative) of his poor management. The countless dead. The historical profundity. I wonder if he ever realized the utter magnitude of his choices, the hundreds of lives and billions of dollars lost.
The whole show blew reality out of proportionY by far not as many people died as claimed.
It’s stupid anti nuclear propaganda - making a point by taking the worst possible example.
"We will all be awarded for what we do here tonight"
That's a level of optimism we should all strive for.
This is...unprecedented. This is better than any movie in the past 3 years. Every single actor was incredible. Glued to the screen. Absolute masterpiece of a show. Going to rewatch very soon.
@The Infamous Mr Fox Huge amounts. You've named an absolutely ridiculous inaccuracy yourself already so I'm unsure why you want me to go through more.
@The Infamous Mr Fox And I never said anything about him not being at Vienna. I KNOW he was in Vienna. The series doesn’t show Vienna at all. Just at the trial. And he wasn’t there.
@The Infamous Mr Fox I’m too busy to hold your hand. Do your own research. But I’ll give you 1 large inaccuracy - Lavrov wasn’t even at the trial of Dyatlov and Bryukhanov. He didn’t launch an attack on the Soviet government in an open court.
This series is a masterpiece
This was such a great show!! One of the best ever!!
Some of the absolute best acting i have seen in a very long time!! Great ensemble cast!
I just love the absolute desperate look Harris has here 4:22.
It perfectly represents how we feel. No words, just sadness and a touch of madness.
Dyatlov was played by English actor Paul Ritter who has recently passed away from a brain tumour. He was 55 years old, and will be missed.
Cancerous tumor? Thats method
Damn only 55? That's way too young.
Sleep well, Bambino.
I half expected Dyatlov to smack the console with a slipper while shouting: “Shit on it!”
No way ...R I P
What a series this was, Shame it actually happened in real life.
Love and respect to everyone hurt in this incident
Russia 1986 "there isnt a problem in chernobyl"
Russia 2022 "there isnt a war vs Ukraine"
Russian soldiers were digging trenches in the worst parts of exclusion zone just a few weeks ago. Do we add them to the Chernobyl casualty figures?
I like your profile picture
3:47 I'm not sure Dyatlov can yell at Sitnikov because I think Sitnikov outranked Dyatlov.
such a great supercut of a wonderful series.
Herr Ritter was such a dedicated actor that he even ingested real uranium for just this series. What an absolute legend!
The real Dyatlov, the prototype of this tactless character, was polite, well-mannered man and he showed respect for his subordinates.
“So how does an RBMK Reactor explode?”
Dyatlov, slightly startled and holding a magnifying glass: “Um… _Dust particles.”_
Paul Ritter was INCREDIBLE on this role (RIP). And the performances in general are astonishing
Paul Ritter played Dyatlov perfectly, he really makes you hate him
@Kaspen82 He wasn't unreasonable. The series just shits all over him. And you have now idea how things were back then.
@The Big D’Taylor I know im 4 months late but if you havent go and watch an interview with the real Dyatlov. its very interesting
I love him
He saw the graphite on the ground. But he was delusional. Luckily they got him outta there.
@Kaspen82 I think he is deep down a very tragic figure. In the series we get like 3 seconds of realization at the end (when the bad design is revealed to him). The real villain was the screwed up system.
this has to be one of, if not the best series. so intense
The amount of gaslighting is unreal...
Dyatlov goes through like 15 levels of denial.
(speaking strictly on the USSR) The largest issue the Soviet Union had was hubris and pride. They were more focused on being right than being correct. They saw their problems disapear in their mind as long as they had someone to blame.
When the Soviets first began openly discussing the accident on the news they quickly shifted the topic to America's own accident at Three Mile Island. Not that I have anything against Russians or think that the US is perfect in any way. Just interesting how the time before Glasnost was all about secrecy and deflection.
Middle managers and non-experts denying, and defying what they're being repeatedly told, to the detriment of others, is a whole kind of slow building frustrating terror by itself.
Fomin:”explain to me how does an RBMK reactor explode.”
Akimoff: “I can’t”
Fomin: “are you stupid?”
Diatlov: “🤮”
@Beth Krager Sadly Akimov and Toptunov died for nothing. All the valves they opened just sent water through shattered pipes to collect in the bubbler pools below. They got their fatal exposure while they were in the pump room opening the valves (it took several hours to open all of them). Of course if they had lived they would have been sent to a labor camp with Dyatlov and the others.
@schpeidermann A great strength of comedy is repetition. This person's comment serves the same purpose as this video. It permits us to reexperience.
If I may offer a counterargument, comments like yours are drearily common, as well.
Raigardas Šimkus nothing....
....everything
3:49
@schpeidermann Die Kommentarsektion ist dafür da, über das Video zu reden
The acting in this series was mind blowingly good. Got to give the Brits that...they make fucking SUPERB thespian actors.
Shout out to the writing, cinematography and directing staff too. All incredible.
“If you weren’t in the room when they raised the power then where were you?”
Dyatlov: “the toilet”
Legosov: “that is how an rbmk reactor core explodes”
That actually would have been hilarious. Imagine the scene afterwards where the KGB man is scolding Legasov over telling the truth. "You will hold your position in office but you will have no duties, you will have no friends. Other men, lesser men, will be credited with what you have achieved. It will become difficult for anyone to know that you ever existed". All because he blamed Dyatlov for being in the toilet. XD
2:28 "But in the reactor building - I'm being told - 3.6 roentgen per hour". Note the pause for effect after "I'm being told" - plausible deniability so he can blame it on being misinformed. Brilliant shithole work.
This is brilliant work done by HBO, just had it rewatched
Everybody has a Dyatlov at their workplace
And he's always in the toilet.
After seeing thing any one can run the nuclear power plant ..just push sime round square colured button....so explosios may happen...its not a big proplem...tell pump water if reactor exists ...😂😡😂😡😂😡😂😡
Here’s the thing about a Dyatlov… just do what’s expected of you and he will leave you alone.
Confirmed to have one at my former workplace. I'm glad I'm not longer around.
When Boris shows up, the two middle managers immediately give him a list of people who they want to blame. No discussion of what they should do first to stop the crisis, no questions about the status of the men or the overall situation, or the civilians in Pripyat. No apologies, nothing. Just blame. All they can think about is "whose fault is this and how can I make sure I don't get in trouble?"
That's the mark of a bad leader. They never accept responsibility for their actions. Dyatlov and the other two knuckleheads whose names I forgot are bad leaders.
"In another few minutes , it will all be over"
Next shot : Explosion
@zohaib zafar Soviet union : over
Even in a nuclear bloody disaster somehow the grunts are the only ones who seem to know whats really going on in their place of work
"Safety first. Raise the power." Water to the non existent core. (Rip Ritter).
Legend says he’s still pumping water through the reactor core
@CST Graphpads Just DDT, Thalidomide, BSE, Bhopal, Prince William Sound, The Titanic, The Child Murdering South American death squads, Gulf War syndrome and Flint Michigan then? Capitalism is such a great system.
@SOVIET GRIM This comment didn’t aged well
@blackjacksike three mile island
I don't give a shit about the panels, I need water in my core.
0:56 "Another few minutes, it will all be over"
I'm glad we've found something that we can universally agree on.
I love the constant reminding of the monumental failures of communist leadership, on display for all to see. Well done series.
7:17
“I wasn’t in the room.”
“Then where we’re you?”
“The toilet…”
“That is how an RBMK reactor explodes.”
"The feed water is mildly contaminated, he'll be fine, I've seen worse"
One of the best HBO miniseries in existence. Highly recommend the series.
Edit: Holy got damn sorry for calling it a docuseries, never seen a group of people more butthurt over something as small as that. Based on my own research a lot of the events in the show happened in real life, whilst yes some creative liberties were taken, I saw the show as a whole accurate to the event. Thats why I called it a docuseries.
@gumpmosh You probably watched 1/2 an episode.
It's not a docu, bro. But it's great.
@naecotsol You didn’t say the word docudrama. Docudrama is a simple word to explain what this is more concisely that your long-winded explanation. Thanks :)
@naecotsol A docudrama.
I was stationed on a US Navy repair ship located in Dunoon Scotland. The Chernobyl cloud lit off all our radiation alarms on the ship. It was quite a night.
"There is no core! It exploded!" has got to be one of the scariest lines in cinema history.
"I've been told the radiation level is 3.6."
He said that like he wasn't in the very room where the reading took place.
"I am a nuclear physicist"
"I work in a shoe factory. And I'm in charge."
The zeitgeist of our time...
Politician: “How many new cases of Coronavirus today?”
Doctors: “10, but we only did 10 tests...”
Politician: “10 new cases. Not great, not terrible.”
The “animal control” scenes were very, very difficult to watch but man was this an outstanding miniseries.
Paul Ritter was stunning in this show...So sad hes passed on now,i honestly think that this would have placed him in Hollywood
Such an amazing series.
“He’s in shock, get him out of here”
Lmao gets me every time. Dyatlov was so hilarious to me. Apparently he was kinda mis portrayed though.
Dyatlov: “I wasn’t in the room when they raised the power.”
“Where were you?”
Dyatlov: “The toilet.”
“That is how an RBMK Reactor core explodes.”
The moral of the whole Chernobyl disaster,
the lesson we should pass down to our children,
*Don't poop.*
@lawn_mower He’s in shock get him out of here
@lawn_mower You didn't see it, _BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN_
A: "I wasn't at the cockpit when the plane crashed"
B: "Where were you?
A: "I was sleeping"
"Then where were you?"
"I was in the toilet"
"And that's how an RBMK Reactor explodes"
To the point.
Between Chernobyl and Death of Stalin, it's been proven that the dysfunction of the Soviet system can easily be turned into comedy
“Another few minutes, and it will all be over”
*cuts to the reactor exploding*
Thanks man I woke up the whole house with my laugh
The most accurate thing in this entire series was that thing on Gorbachevs head. I think they nailed it. Shape, color, etc. I hope the make up artist won an Emmy!
“RBMK reactor cores don’t explode.”
They also said the Titanic couldn’t sink
@ursuss100 I wouldn't call them tips. They were more like control rods with graphite displacement bars. The problem is that these graphite bars were not filling the reactor all the way down, and the most active part at the time of the accident was at the bottom. When the rods came down, disaster. Counter-intuitively, if the graphite bars occupied the full length of the reactor, they could have detected this excess reactivity much sooner, and the AZ-5 would only quench the reaction instead of creating a surge. It is a bit ironic.
@Luke Barnes Indeed, it was the newspapers that claimed that.
@Miltonjon Yh I’m aware of risk compensation. If you advertised to someone that a helmet they wore would never break or allow their skull to be harmed then of course anyone who wore it would trust that it would protect them and not break which would then cause them to push the boundaries of risk and increase chances of them actually breaking their skulls or something. I was just making a comparison that unfortunate accidents like titanic and Chernobyl were products of fatal errors in human contraptions that were widely underestimated in their risk factors :)
There's a thing called risk compensation.
When people feel safer, they take bigger risks. When ABS was invented and praised and advertised everywhere, there were more car crashes for a while - because people thought they had this "magic" crash protection.
At the same time, if you - incorrectly - assume your ship can't sink or your reactor can't blow up, you push it to stupid limits....
She's made of iron, Sir. I assure you, she can...and she will