The First Contactless Only Station (No Oyster)

  • Published on Oct 7, 2019
  • On the London Rail and Tube Map, Brookmans Park has appeared with a 'Contactless' symbol next to it, denoting it can be used for Contactless PAYG travel, but NOT Oyster cards!
    You can still use a paper ticket - as always - of course, but there's more of these to come, with nine stations about to appear on the Tube Map which will also be Contactless Only/No Oyster. I went for a ride to Brooksmans Park to investigate.
    With thanks to Mike from the 'Oyster Rail' website. For so much information about Oyster/Contacless and your questions answered, have a look at Mike's amazing site:
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  • Anselm Eberl
    Anselm Eberl 18 hours ago

    Why are those trains beeping so awfully loud? It's highly irritating. But is it useful for anything/anyone?

  • pass iton
    pass iton 21 hour ago

    Why have they done that.
    It's gonna be confusing (not to mention frustrating) for others.. If systems for capitol tube travel cannot be compatible, whats the point.
    Its just chaotic!

  • Arcade Alchemist
    Arcade Alchemist 21 hour ago

    contactless will replace cash at some point
    we need least one country to change it's currency to crypto.

  • Luna_Dei
    Luna_Dei Day ago

    here we have the most rare and elusive white man in his former habitat!

  • Soi Buakhao
    Soi Buakhao Day ago

    Not much good if you only have Oyster, mine is a Priv one so bank cards are out for me! Oh, for the days of Network SouthEast with one (intelligent) guiding mind rather than the mish-mash we have today of TfL and it's crazy rules & polices along with the TOC operators rules. And Geoff, we no longer have a tube map, it's a blody mess of a map showing TflL rail services. It should now be put to rest, it is no longer doing what it was designed to do--bring clarity to the Underground system.

  • m8055
    m8055 Day ago

    Soon, we will have ONE card just for everything.


    Jesus.. Like its not over complicated already, i can only imagine what it is like for tourists especially if we are getting more of these stations.

  • yannick van niel
    yannick van niel 2 days ago

    why isn't there just a national card that can be used on all public transport?

    • Ricardo Wiggett
      Ricardo Wiggett 13 hours ago

      If you're the software engineer who designs this system (assuming successful and bug free), you can make a LOT of money. :)

  • rehpotsirhic
    rehpotsirhic 3 days ago

    The zones are spreading out north and east, but here in the south west we are barely have anything. I live in Staines, and I am annoyingly only 1 stop away from a zone 6 station (Feltham)

  • ThatRomyKate
    ThatRomyKate 3 days ago

    Forgive me if you did explain and I missed it but why aren't they allowing Oyster? What difference does it make if you pay with Oyster or contactless?

  • Shel Sparkle
    Shel Sparkle 3 days ago

    What in the foolishness why?!

  • Seany Boodwah
    Seany Boodwah 3 days ago

    Theres a alternative universe where Geoffs the prime minster

  • aycc-nbh72
    aycc-nbh72 3 days ago

    Contactless cards and Apple Pay seem relatively new, but it just goes to show that one must keep up with technology advances. I only started using Apple Pay less than six or so months ago and I only got my first contactless credit card even more recently.

  • rob fox
    rob fox 3 days ago

    Wonder how they are going to deal with us ex BR staff that get priv oyster cards .

  • Rehan Miah
    Rehan Miah 4 days ago +1

    The western section is opening but not the central and the south east section which is sad

  • Cyber_skull_2002 -Gaming

    Contactless less less contact'nt'? non-contact? My last brain cells have left my head.

  • EssexLad 8919
    EssexLad 8919 5 days ago

    The Class 717 is just like the Class 700.

  • laura
    laura 5 days ago +2

    god, i hate the beeping sound the train makes lol

  • iaindcosta
    iaindcosta 5 days ago +1

    The only reason oyster was introduced was to get people used to the idea of paying by card, and getting used to contactless..I suspect the plan is to get rid of cards and have an interface directly with the out for your freedom

  • dai davies
    dai davies 5 days ago +1

    With the use of contactless card being very popular I used it all weekend on the London Underground brilliant no messing about

  • John Connor
    John Connor 5 days ago

    Wow, what a shambles. I have a rail discount applied to my Oyster card so would have to buy a paper ticket to get the same fare. The machines can't apply the discount unless a staff member puts a code in. This is a pain at the best of times. TFL need to sort this out.

  • —{ Unassailable }—

    Does freedom pass work on the contactless only machines? As it’s technically not an oyster. If not then what are old people gonna do. Use cash? Cos many don’t have cards.

  • —{ Unassailable }—

    So why cant we just go through the station and then go to a station one away from where we need to go, tap in, and then tap in when we arrive...

  • Rahul Kapur
    Rahul Kapur 6 days ago

    Hows my home gonna be in zone 15

  • BassoonsAreAwesome
    BassoonsAreAwesome 6 days ago +1

    So there are that many zones north of the river but they can't bring the underground south of it?

    • Ricardo Wiggett
      Ricardo Wiggett 13 hours ago

      I believe the original plan was to extend the tube far into what was then still Surrey (even Morden was in Surrey until 1 April 1965), but the ground was too hard for that to be practical, or something along that line (no pun intended).

  • beneath mydreams
    beneath mydreams 6 days ago

    What if you are a tourist and your card doesn’t work? Or you loose your contactless? How are you gonna travel? There should be multiple options at every station.

  • Allen Williams
    Allen Williams 6 days ago +1

    I fail to see what the problem is. Oyster cards should only be valid in Greater London. If you are going outside, use contactless, or buy a paper/downloadable ticket.

    • Ricardo Wiggett
      Ricardo Wiggett 13 hours ago

      Indeed, and there are already stations outside Greater London (located in zones four and higher), where Oyster works - a bonus if you will.

  • Wind em up!
    Wind em up! 6 days ago

    Not to be a conspiracy theorist, and I am quite sure others think the same, but they are making us use technology to see where we go whereas with money they couldn't track us.

  • Ritchie Rosson
    Ritchie Rosson 6 days ago

    Do you also do a podcast? Wonderful interesting video sir.

  • malthuswasright
    malthuswasright 6 days ago

    What a boneheaded idea...

  • Rod Thorpe
    Rod Thorpe 6 days ago

    Am curious what the benefit of an Oyster card is over just using your regular contactless bank card? Are the fares cheaper? Speaking as an occasional commuter to London from Surrey where I can use my contactless card without having to buy a paper ticket, I just continue using the same card as I travel around London. Surely, considering it's technical limitations, Oyster will eventually be phased out in favour of just bank-card contactless?

  • Nick White
    Nick White 6 days ago +1

    NYC Subway: All fares $2.75
    London Underground: Transport for London's Travelcard zones to calculate the fares, including fares on the Underground only. Travelcard Zone 1 is the most central, with a boundary just outside the Circle line and Travelcard Zone 6 is the most outlying zone covering any of Greater London and it includes London Heathrow Airport. All of Greater London is covered by zones 1 to 6.
    Tickets including zone 1 are usually more expensive than those involving only outer zones. The most popular destinations and most interchange stations are in zone 1, meaning that most journeys over similar distances will cost the same. A few stations in the north east of the network, on the Central line, outside Greater London (in the Epping Forest district) are in zones 4, 5 and 6. In the north west of the network, on the Metropolitan line, zones 7, 8 and 9 (formerly A - D) cover stations outside Greater London including Amersham and Chesham in the Chiltern district of Buckinghamshire. Unlike the lower numbered zones, these ancillary areas do not encircle the capital. Some stations are in two zones. Most often, they are on the boundary of two adjacent zones: For example, Vauxhall is in Zones 1 and 2. Ten stations in east London, many in the London Borough of Newham area, are in both zone 2 and 3: Abbey Rd, Bromley-by-Bow, Canning Town, East India, Pudding Mill Lane, Star Lane, Stratford, Stratford High Street, Stratford International and West Ham. This creates the situation where two consecutive stations on a radial route are in both zones - West Ham and Bromley by Bow; Stratford and Pudding Mill Lane; Canning Town and East India. A traveller a two-zone station can, in effect, 'save' a zone and perhaps therefore pay a cheaper fare. For example, travelling to West Ham from any zone 2 station is a single zone journey, but so is travelling there from any zone 3 station.

  • Cheesecake HD
    Cheesecake HD 6 days ago

    But why... is it so complex to read an oyster card? What's the issue with using Oyster everywhere where you can use contactless?

  • OK! But then again.
    OK! But then again. 6 days ago

    Why cannot the UK have a national travel card like the Dutch, who use their OV card to travel on bus, train, tram. Ok there ares till price differences between modes of transport, but, it means one card for everything. Plus you can top up at any load station positioned on each station or in some places like a supermarket, post office, special shops that have them..Simple i think.

  • Steve Sea
    Steve Sea 6 days ago

    You went on that long journey just to see if what their paper-work said was correct?

  • Pokemoneuro
    Pokemoneuro 7 days ago +1

    The OV Chipcard used in The Netherlands sounds much easier... You add balance to it, at least 20 euros or more to travel by train (can automatically recharge via bank) and you just use it like you would with an oyster card, nothing with zones or anything. Works for trains, underground, buses and NS Bikes. Oh and students can use it for free (bikes not included -_-) either throughout the week, or throughout the weekend, you can choose.

  • Sally Larkin
    Sally Larkin 7 days ago

    It 2100 and iverness is in zone 5555

  • cogidubnus1953
    cogidubnus1953 7 days ago

    So if you don't carry a mobile phone, just what can you use?

    • cogidubnus1953
      cogidubnus1953 7 days ago

      @Ricardo Wiggett Thanks again!

    • Ricardo Wiggett
      Ricardo Wiggett 7 days ago

      @cogidubnus1953 Correct, cash is no longer directly accepted on TfL buses, but Oyster and contactless touch ins work, as well as pre-purchased Travelcards (which can be paid for with cash).

    • cogidubnus1953
      cogidubnus1953 7 days ago +1

      @Ricardo Wiggett Thanks! I hadn't realised they still took cash - the buses don't...and whilst Oyster still works within London, I wonder if that's going to continue indefinitely...cheers again.

    • Ricardo Wiggett
      Ricardo Wiggett 7 days ago

      A contactless debit card, or buy a paper ticket with cash.
      Within the borders of Greater London, Oyster still works fine as well.

  • polchraine
    polchraine 7 days ago +1

    So, apparently, Oyster cards will not be usable from West Drayton to Reading for te reasons you explain. However, TfL have said that 60+ Freedom Passes will be valid on the route provided TfL services are used.

    My 60+ card clearly states Oyster - so is it actually an Oyster card or is is a disguised Contactless? Come 15th December, I will be trying it out to see how well it works (or not).

  • dondon33
    dondon33 7 days ago

    Why don't TFL just create two maps? One for Crossrail, the other for everything else. Wouldn't that make sense?

  • Graham Larkbey
    Graham Larkbey 7 days ago

    Far from scrapping the paper Tube map, as mentioned at the end, there are mutterings about scrapping the fold-out London Rail & Tube Map as (allegedly) take-up is reducing. Not surprising when it's not available at Tube stations and you have to ask for it at most others!

  • Arxces
    Arxces 7 days ago

    Oyster Version 2.0 could be an Oyster-branded stored balance debit card, issued in partnership with either Visa or Mastercard. You could use such a card to buy things other than transport.

  • dronespace
    dronespace 7 days ago

    I am completely against this. The whole point of oyster is to have a simplified system where you can use the card everywhere. If they start having stations that don't allow them then that completely defeats the point

  • Kieran Harvey
    Kieran Harvey 8 days ago

    I am confused about the new trains on this line. It was my understanding all UK trains must have a certain percentage of yellow on the front for visibility, do you know much about why these trains are allowed to bypass this rule?

  • Mario J. Pav
    Mario J. Pav 8 days ago

    Why is shenfield zone 12 when Brentwood is 9 and just round the corner? Same rule as Epping?

  • bruce hancock
    bruce hancock 8 days ago +1

    Thank your lucky stars. I just returned from Sydney where not only do you you have to remember to tap out of busses, let alone trams!

  • Adam Langton
    Adam Langton 8 days ago

    Are we going to get to a stage where there are no guards on trains and no one is going to bother paying to travel to a station like this with no barriers from a similar set up of station. Where i travel from in surrey there is no barriers either end of trip and never a guard to check anyone. They counter the loss by putting prices up again year on year and even more lose interest!

  • griffin rails
    griffin rails 8 days ago

    Probably the worst idea ever.

  • Michael Perry
    Michael Perry 8 days ago

    Will St Albans be Oyster or contactless only?

  • Hygge Musings
    Hygge Musings 8 days ago

    This is stupid, not everyone wants to use Contactless Cards. Just another way for the Government to track people

  • Bo Stark
    Bo Stark 8 days ago

    What da heck I'm I watching

  • John Walsh
    John Walsh 8 days ago +1

    Does nobody get the fact that in the not so distant future there will be no such thing as travelling anonymously. Everybody will be tracked, no cash fares, just contactless bank cards. We live in a surveillance society. Look around You.

  • Ron England
    Ron England 8 days ago

    Oyster is faster than contactless. Yes it’s minimal, but across the entire network that total additional time per day would be an interesting calculation.

  • Willie Dennison
    Willie Dennison 8 days ago +1

    Mate quality video. But i have no idea what I'm doing watching it lmao

  • The TrackTrekkers Club

    I thought Reading was going to be in zone 10.. at least that's what an earlier video of yours suggested (:--:)

  • tim reading
    tim reading 8 days ago +1

    I use to live near Brookmans park. And it’s nice

  • mackan2017
    mackan2017 8 days ago

    Just to say.....the recent announcement that Crossrail won’t be completed and up & running until March 2021 should be read as the EARLIEST date that it will be fully open. Trust me👍🏻
    And even when it does open, I’ll still be using the Piccadilly Line (or the Heathrow Express if I’m in a real hurry) to get to LHR. I refuse to pay Scammer Khan’s rip-off supplementary LHR fare on Crossrail. He (as the decision-maker) should be ashamed of himself👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻

    • mackan2017
      mackan2017 7 days ago

      Norbiton Flyer
      Yes, that may be the case, but it’s Mr Khant that sanctioned and approved it. They demanded it, he just rolled over and approved it. £12 is a disgusting amount for what is a supplementary fare👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 8 days ago

      It's not Khan who is responsible for the higher fare to Heathrow, it's the owners of the airport, who built and own the tunnel and insist on a premium fare in order to pay for building it.

  • Jaime Brown
    Jaime Brown 8 days ago +2

    If they can’t add oyster then why bother? Should just not be in the London fare zone and you’ll need to buy paper tickets

  • Adam Smith
    Adam Smith 8 days ago

    Not a good idea there are multiple groups of people this will severely impact:
    1. Minors. Minors can't open bank accounts or credit cards so they won't be able to pay the fares on this contactless only reader. How the hell will they be able to use the system now?
    2. Tourists. Banks charge ridiculous bullshit fees called "foreign transaction fees" they can rack up quick and many times tourists will only use cash for this sole reason. I guess more money for the greedy Banks right TFL?

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 8 days ago +1

      They can still buy paper tickets using cash

  • Ryan Paaz
    Ryan Paaz 9 days ago +1

    Watched this whole thing, and being American, I have no idea what the hell this all means.