The Truth About Vinyl - Vinyl vs. Digital

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  • J Needels
    J Needels 5 hours ago

    bravo, that was the best comprehensive explanation I've ever heard. Thanks!

  • Maytheforce Bewithyou
    Maytheforce Bewithyou 6 hours ago +1

    Truth about vinyl...it makes GREAT FLOORING!!!👍👌👍

  • Philosophia Entis
    Philosophia Entis 8 hours ago

    How about the 15 ips Master Tapes?

  • Cad mium
    Cad mium 9 hours ago

    Curious choice of illustration to have the entire tone arm act as a stylus to reproduce the vibrations back into electrical charge. Will that mislead people?

  • Otto Normalverbrauch
    Otto Normalverbrauch 14 hours ago

    There is something extremely wrong in the first shot with both the way the pick up arm is handled as well as the way the cantilever is (mis)mounted!!

  • David Moran
    David Moran 15 hours ago

    "real" engineering??
    Notes from experts:
    counterweight --- not producing the sound. RIAA pre-emphasis is wrong insofar as it doesn't take into account velocity-sensitive playback (constant amplitude cutting results in 6dB/octave rise). Recording characteristic therefore has falling response from near dc to 50 Hz, then level from 50 to 500, then falling from 500 to 2.12kHz, then level above. Putting it another way, a 6 dB / octave boost below 50, which takes up more space.
    RIAA is NOT a recording curve but a playback curve. Finally, boosting the treble in recording does not exactly reduce HF noise.
    Other than that....

  • Frank Goad
    Frank Goad 23 hours ago

    MOST importantly, buy the music you like to support the artists because they earned it - you don't work for free, so be fair. I use vinyl because I still have them from (mumble) years ago, plus I still have a super-nice vintage turntable that's been updated with modern components. In the end, all the fuss about vinyl vs. digital is kinda moot if you've got sub-par hardware and speakers. Music is a personal thing - we all have different hearing abilities and preferences. Goofy as it sounds, I've got a few albums of electronic music on vinyl. Why? Because you could download the digital files, too, with purchase. Sometimes the manual act of playing a record is more satisfying - you feel a bit more connected. Vinyl vs. digital? Do what feels right and forget the arguments.

  • kle3good
    kle3good Day ago

    lets face it a biased sales pitch for digital...

  • Evan Zab
    Evan Zab Day ago

    I dont get it, why so much analyze, the truth is that music from vinyl sounds sweeter and it's more enjoyable....end of story ;)

  • cb irwin
    cb irwin Day ago

    I have a ton of vinyl and Ton of cd's , for me it about what equipment is being used . but that another debate .. both media sound good to great to me .. I some vinyl recordings that the CD counterpart doesn't sound as good and vice versa... the problem I have is finding news stuff on either format worth listening to...

  • Didivs Ivlianvs
    Didivs Ivlianvs 2 days ago +1

    Here is the very simple reason why this is bullshit. In the digital medium, sound is translated into data and then translated back into sound using electronics that theoretically does these conversions between the data and triggering of audio devices based on the opinion of designers on the sound quality. Analog media directly record wave patterns, which are then directly reproduced. The only thing that matters is how faithfully the reproducer follows the recorded wave while minimizing mechanical noise. There is no translation, theory or opinion involved. Digital data can be garbage in garbage out. An analog wave just is.

    • paulanderson79
      paulanderson79 17 hours ago +1

      There's a hell of a lot of processing involved in getting an analogue signal down onto vinyl and then replaying it. This does have an impact upon the final result, especially in terms of phase response across the audio spectrum. That said, well executed vinyl can be extremely appealing and enjoyable. As can well executed digital. Much of the problem with early digital CD masters was due to engineers' inexperience with the medium. Far too much was mastered far too hot, and completely wasted the 96dB dynamic range which Red Book CD offers.

    • ReaktorLeak
      ReaktorLeak Day ago +1

      I'm not sure how that amounts to "bullshit," but a digital signal also directly records wave patterns, it just does so with discrete measurements rather than a continuous trace. The Shannon-Nyquist theorem assures that if you take care not to take "garbage in" (a sampling rate insufficient for the signal, failing to band-limit, etc.) you won't get "garbage out" (aliasing, distortion, etc.).

    • Didivs Ivlianvs
      Didivs Ivlianvs Day ago

      @Carciongen PS If you are running both through the same amp, speakers or headphones, do note the information in the video about how the sound is adjusted on each medium. You may need different equalizer settings for each. The machine can mess up either one.

    • Carciongen
      Carciongen Day ago

      @Didivs Ivlianvs
      Here is a video on how digital audio works
      And how ones and zeroes are translated into digital sound waves
      thexvid.com/video/Gd_mhBf_FJA/video.html

  • tony andrade
    tony andrade 2 days ago +3

    Vinyl is not superior, it is actually inferior. It is only defended by elitists. No serious music engineer or music producer will assert vinyl is better

  • Malte Laurids Brigge

    What an excellent video on the topic. Very informative.

  • Nathan Murphy
    Nathan Murphy 2 days ago

    Idea take a vinal record put inro a computer use losless format burn it to cd!!!! Then compair it plus people don't realize in 1989 fcc said to stop using the type of amplifier that help give you the sound!!!! Now we use a crappy type that makes music horrible and they keep messing with it tp try everything tp make it sound clear and so far manufacturers can't get nothing!!!!!! (Take a cd player on an 1980s receiver plug rca into tape input select tape and u will her a big difference from todays equipment!!!!!

  • ebs bow
    ebs bow 2 days ago

    One question remains. Do you like live or recorded sound. Hint, recorded isn't real.

  • Roy Rice
    Roy Rice 3 days ago

    Yeh, aliens have Victrolas!! Sure........

    • mehstgful
      mehstgful Day ago

      Heard on Saturday Night Live skit. Upon playing the golden record sent to outer space, aliens commented "send more Chuck Berry".

  • Roy Rice
    Roy Rice 3 days ago +9

    Vinyl is crude. I know. I have thousands in mint condition. This is a kiddie marvel only and making vinyl unduly popular. Go to CD superiority!! If you are a touch freak get the vinyl. Snap, crackle and pop with vinyl.......rave on!!
    ,

  • Fred Shriever
    Fred Shriever 3 days ago

    In spite of a mistake on how the sound is collected by the stylus at 4:45 , very interesting video! I was not aware about RIAA correction curve, why it was necessary, and its amplification counterpart in amplifiers . Awesome .

  • Joe Orton
    Joe Orton 4 days ago

    I have a wireless 8 track

  • Peter Moeller
    Peter Moeller 4 days ago

    In the end, our ears are analog. An analog sound wave must be produced by our speakers or headphones. Who cares who the signal/music gets there? Well, but people do care, they really get emotional about it!


    Technical, clearly, digital is “better” because bits cannot get dirty or wear out. Bits can be transmitted easily to places or devices. I guess that's why pretty much all music today is produced digitally.


    But what about sound quality, does digital or analog sound better?


    I think the simple answer is that different setups sound *different*. How the music is stored (analog vs digital) is a rather minor contributor. The speakers, amp and even the room have a bigger setup.


    In the end, what people prefer is simply a question of taste.


    Some people prefer to walk home through the city, others like to go through the forest. Personal preference.


    Some people seem to have to think that their taste or personal preference is better. Human nature, I guess?

  • uncle darren
    uncle darren 4 days ago

    At least with a lp or cd you own someting tangible. With a data file you own nothing. As for LP quality... hiss pop, hiss pop, hiss pop.

  • Larry Ownbey
    Larry Ownbey 5 days ago

    This guy is either deaf or really ignorant. A sampling rate of 44,172 times per second, or CD rate, is way to slow to properly record or reproduce music. In this video he presents some good information but is speaking about recording and playing single sinusoidal sound. (a single tone with a perfect sine wave) If all you wish to listen to is a single continuous tone enjoy. Music is not only a single tone very few instruments produce perfect sine wave sound. Reed instruments for example produce a wave form more similar to a "saw-tooth wave" which is chopped and distorted by sampling at a rate less than 96Khz. It is because music is not a single sine wave tone, and more reasons that I will not go into here, that most digital recording and playback don't even come close to all analog recordings. DVD-Audio discs are recorded at 96Khz or better yet 192Khz sampling rate, if you get a chance to listen to one of these discs on a GOOD system you will hear a major difference. DVD-Audio discs must be played on a player that is designed to play them standard DVD movie players will not play them. I could go into intense detail but, that would require thirty pages of text and a pretty good grasp of audio and electricity

    • ReaktorLeak
      ReaktorLeak 4 days ago +2

      P.S. if digital couldn't capture complex waveforms, you wouldn't hear anything musical out of any digital system, AT ALL.

    • ReaktorLeak
      ReaktorLeak 4 days ago +2

      Almost all the harmonics of musical instruments fall below 20 kHz, so CD rate is plenty to capture the content. Any harmonics above that can't be heard anyway, and the studio mics are typically rated to only 20 kHz. See this audio frequency chart: pbs.twimg.com/media/DBnwfNTUAAAejet.jpg

  • Silent Spectre
    Silent Spectre 5 days ago +1

    FLAC is the only file closest to vinyl you can get thus far if you have an original pressing master vinyl. Vinyl tends to break down after multiple plays, when digital never loses audio quality makes digital imo better. I still use vinyl, to mix records, as well as my dvs serato dj system. Which are timecode vinyls.

    • Thom Moore
      Thom Moore 2 days ago +1

      NO NO NO. If you go straight to digital either uncompressed (e.g. WAV or CD) or lossless compressed (e.g. FLAC) you will always outperform Vinyl, virgin, master or otherwise. The very act of recording to vinyl and playing it back adds 2-3% THD, and a host of other bad effects. Vinyl is bad news when it comes to low distortion audio recording and playback.

    • Jamie Anderson
      Jamie Anderson 2 days ago

      FLAC outperforms CD for 99% of CD players.

    • brave
      brave 5 days ago +1

      FLAC is the closest to CD you can get.

  • Kevin Fetner
    Kevin Fetner 5 days ago

    Digital works by converting to its format from analog and again at the end user in the form of speakers back to analog. Nature is analog, we hear in analog.....your brain processes in analog. The best that digital can hope for is to 100% replicate analog sound. Since vinyl won't die as it was supposed to, it would seem that there are converts on both sides. I have no dog in this fight except that the distortion/coloration of 1st order harmonics makes the analog chain more appealing to me. Try both...settle on your winner. A CD has billions of bits of information encoded in it, but a record has trillions.

    • Thom Moore
      Thom Moore 19 hours ago

      @Kevin Fetner Well you got some things right. It is all or nothing because digital recording and playback is higher fidelity in every measurable way and substantially so, very audibly so. If you are a pro you know this. Analog recording and playback is not simply a choice from a list of valid options, it is obsolete. And you're right, I am telling you your ears aren't very good, no one's are compared to lab measurement for signal level components. There is some validity to critical listening for speakers, but merit of signal level components is strictly lab measurement. Better useful measurement means better component. Beyond that what you are saying is you prefer the sound of distorted output from obsolete technology. Okay, enjoy it but do not make any more argument for it than that. And one last point you have right, I have no sense of humor about it, at least any remaining. It was worn away by 30+ years of listening to analog flat-eathers prattle on with their unscientific BS.

    • Kevin Fetner
      Kevin Fetner Day ago

      @Thom Moore You're missing my first point about harmonics. The coloration and distortion in analog on a professional level is pleasing to the human ear. What you digital guys lack is a common ground (and in general, a sense of humor). It's digital or nothing as far as you're concerned. In actual blind listening test, the digital THD factor does not smite the listening of analog recordings of the same music pieces. I'm not arguing about the work in recording analog versus digital and why most engineers have converted to the digital recording process. It IS a toss up with the human ear and I invite you to take a A/B/X double blind test with really pro analog gear against pro digital gear in the music of your choice. It's most definitely not about the numbers like THD, but what you actually hear. Talk to musicians and get their take on the actual sound product from both formats. To say that digital has lower THD than analog and therefore a better format in every way just defeats your reasoning. I prefer to listen to music for long periods at a time. On the best digital systems my ears fatigue after about an hour at volume. My ears never fatigue on pro analog gear with a well recorded music source. By "fatigue" I mean I start to get a headache, or my experiences becomes obviously less satisfactory. It's almost as if you're trying to tell us the human ear is faulty and should always prefer digital.

    • Thom Moore
      Thom Moore Day ago

      @Kevin Fetner If you reproduce that analog concert with digital recording and playback it will be reproduced with audibly less THD than if you did it with analog recording/playback. That makes Digital record/playback better than analog record/playback. Its not a toss up, its not even close. It also means that a CD has more bits of information in the human audio range than does a record of the same source material, not less. If you like the sound of analog playback better than digital it is because you prefer distorted sound over clean reproduction.

  • John Testelin
    John Testelin 5 days ago

    I have a question. In many CD the sound of violins is a kind of "grinding". Some say lacking of "warmth". This critic already began with at the beginning of digital recording. Is there a way with an equalizer, a filter to eliminate these uncomfortable harmonics?
    Can someone help?
    There is a lot subjectivity in this debate, nonetheless very interesting. Well, it looks like we will be exhausted before the subject! :0)
    What I noticed, listening to both kinds of records, there is a significant dispersion of quality in records, digital or analogical as well. You don't need a $ I0,000 HiFi installation to notice it. I won't list all the different affecting factors.
    Will van den Dungen claims that musicians say there is a difference between digital and analogical records. It's a very good point. The musical ear of musicians is more "open", developed or have a wider spectrum in frequencies than other people. Their opinion should be taken in consideration. But use, care, and maintenance of vinyl records, are a pin in the neck and time consuming!
    There is some records that I prefer on vinyl, and other on CD. Now, there is "old" vinyl records you cannot find on CD. It's a pity.

    • Thom Moore
      Thom Moore 2 days ago

      John, the recording playback chain contains many components. If you find the playback of a piece unpleasant, ask yourself, have you heard it played live and if so did it sound different? If this is true then look for better quality recordings and perhaps better components. If you haven't heard it live and are comparing CD recordings to vinyl recordings take comfort in the fact that the CD is probably the more accurate playback.

    • Thom Moore
      Thom Moore 2 days ago

      @Larry Ownbey Stop misleading people. Higher sampling rates merely allow the capture and recreation of higher frequency signals. This might be important if you are a dog or cat or a bat as they can hear much higher frequencies than humans. But for humans, redbook 44.1K CD is good enough. In lab tests humans can't distinguish between 192K Hz sampling direct and then down sampled to 44.1 KHz recordings. 96KHz and 192 KHz are just unethical marketing ploys by an industry that is evil to its core (high end audio).

    • ReaktorLeak
      ReaktorLeak 3 days ago +1

      It is NOT because it's digitized.

    • Larry Ownbey
      Larry Ownbey 5 days ago

      In simple terms, NO. The reason it sounds like that is because it is DIGITIZED. Digital has come a long way since CD's were released. The recordings done at 192Khz, more than 4x the sampling rate of CD's, are nearly as good as analog. Try listening to your favorite song in the 192Khz/24bit format of a DVD-Audio disc or download as a FLAC file format (favoritesong.flac) for example and hear your recording reproduced nearly perfectly

  • Anthony Pawlowski
    Anthony Pawlowski 5 days ago +1

    Then there is cassette tapes. Oh the joy those were! ?FF no RW ...click FF...click ?... FF... FF... Finally this is the song I want! Sides of roads had a special kind of confetti too! :)

    • z k
      z k 4 days ago

      I still buy tapes....

  • Pranay Tamang
    Pranay Tamang 5 days ago

    Hey, i am curious , is your voice is playing in that animation?

  • Max Xiang
    Max Xiang 6 days ago

    edison was an idiot

  • Lance Lawson
    Lance Lawson 6 days ago +4

    Vinyl is at best a third rate method of sound storage and playback. Clicks and pops are not the sound of studio tapes or studio master digital files. Turntable rumble and surface noise are products of the vinyl medium. Give a good listen to a well produced CD vs same on a good vinyl pressing. The CD will have more information in spite of the CD cut frequency cut off. The only thing vinyl has in it's favor is the tactile sense of loading a record onto a turntable and easily appreciating the album art. Yes vinyl is nice to have around but it is long past the time when we should kid ourselves that it sounds better than the other major formats.

  • adamkutchman
    adamkutchman 6 days ago

    If you researched so much about the science why didn't you mention bit depth?
    You mentioned the "volume wars" but nothing about the huge difference between analog volume dynamics vs digital.
    What about dithering? The act of adding noise to a digital file during mastering in order to overcome the inherent problems with trying to get a smooth analog response from a digital medium?
    You threw out that 20,000hz number like that's a fact when it also is not. Many people can hear above 20,000hz.
    Thus, SOME humans are hearing aliasing and frequency cutoff at the top of a digital file.
    ...and if 44,100 is so good why is all movie sound rendered in 48,000/24 bit?
    Surely there can be no reason if humans can't even tell the difference between vinyl and digital.

    • ReaktorLeak
      ReaktorLeak 6 days ago +2

      There shouldn't be ANY aliasing if the disc was properly mastered. The anti-aliasing filter should cut off sharply at 20 kHz, with no level at all by the time it gets to 22.05 kHz (where aliasing would occur).

  • BLH BSIT
    BLH BSIT 6 days ago

    There is also another reason. Most humans, seem to develop an opinion. They become invested in that opinion. Changing opinion is similar to admitting failure. So, Many humans can't change their mind because they have little to no confidence and stand pat to protect their fragile state. These people work on the Correct, Incorrect, (Right Wrong) ego and thus can't and/or won't change their opinion. It is just part of being human. Both sides must live with it. What ever makes you happy, Sa La Vie.

  • TheSpazztech
    TheSpazztech 6 days ago

    The same story that humans can only perceive x amount of y has been said about frame rates in video, and has been dis-proven many times over. I would think the same applies here but i have to wonder how many of these modern recordings are from an analog source and use analog through out the recording process? If your source is digital then your vinyl is just a version of digital on different medium.

    • ReaktorLeak
      ReaktorLeak 6 days ago

      You should test that! :)

    • TheSpazztech
      TheSpazztech 6 days ago

      @ReaktorLeak I would say that bit rate is the audio equivalent of frame rate and could be used as a metric for audio fidelity. Testing a listeners ability to hear the difference between various bit rates (using the same resolution for all tests) would be a good way to determine the truth about the limits of human hearing.

    • ReaktorLeak
      ReaktorLeak 6 days ago

      Audio is not like video: there is no "frame rate" with audio. The signal is always continuous, even if you limit the band severely.

  • Plainjupiter724
    Plainjupiter724 6 days ago

    Vinyl does sound better because the sound is less compressed

    • John Testelin
      John Testelin 5 days ago +4

      Sorry, I don't agree with you. It's the opposite. The dynamic is much better on a CD. Personally, sometimes I have to turn down the volume when there is a "tutti" (classical music) of the orchestra.
      Now, the dispersion on the quality of records is significant on CDs and vinyls as well. It depends mostly on where the record was done and on the sound engineer who made the record. It depends on if you have a CD ADD, or DDD. Now, there is also a difference of quality in vinyls depending if your record is pressed at the beginning of the production or at the end. The mold is subject of wearing.
      I am always surprised, how the quality of the sound can change from a record to another one, in CDs and vinyls as well. And you do not need a HiFi system costing $ 10,000 to notice it. To finish, there is some very good vinyl records, that you cannot find on CDs, and that a pity. Then there is no choice.

  • Powergenic
    Powergenic 7 days ago

    The good thing about vinyl is that you get have a piece of art in real life

  • Raigou
    Raigou 7 days ago +2

    11:15 that is just wrong. the louder parts of the song do not become quieter. they get squished and are perceived as even louder.

    • Jamie Anderson
      Jamie Anderson 2 days ago +1

      The louder parts ARE quieter and the quieter parts are louder.: that's the definition of compression!

  • Eric Wood
    Eric Wood 7 days ago

    Eat that Tesla!

  • sdushdiu
    sdushdiu 7 days ago +1

    Given the dearth of worthwhile new music, the issue has largely become moot.

  • john tracy
    john tracy 7 days ago +1

    Analog music is better because sound is analog by nature to begin with. Also, analog has a warmth and depth that makes it sound more alive.

    • Jamie Anderson
      Jamie Anderson 2 days ago +2

      "Analog music is better because sound is analog by nature to begin with." You do realise don't you that that sentence has no logic?

    • ReaktorLeak
      ReaktorLeak 7 days ago +4

      I put my CD player down a well with a space heater to give it warmth + depth...

    • d5uncr
      d5uncr 7 days ago +3

      Luckily the digital ones and zeros get converted to an analog signal before it reaches your ears. So you don't have to listen to the cold and shallow buzz.

  • Andrew Turner
    Andrew Turner 7 days ago

    A good chrome cassette was the best sound for music ever. Until it got chewed

    • yakfacts
      yakfacts 6 days ago

      I never had a cassette eaten except by cheap decks in cars and tapes that got left in the heat. Chrome (II) was okay, but Metal (IV) was clearly superior. Still not quite as good as CD, but I could usually not hear the difference. But I wore out tapes, not CDs.

  • Stan Rivera
    Stan Rivera 7 days ago

    When I was a kid the records were made from shellac not vinyl. They broke easily and you couldn't lay them on top of each other because the weight would cause breakage. Vinyl solved that problem. However with the records, the bass needed significant boosting. It still sounded better than digital, though, to my ears. Valve (tubes) amplifiers also had a more mellow sound. It's the kind of distortion which actually made the music sound better. The best hi-fi amplifier ever, for my money, was the Quod (or is that Quad?). Hybrid amplifiers, which used transistors in the pre-amp stage and valves in the power output stages was a good idea. I still fondly remember the Quod, and wish I could find one, because I would use it.

  • Snakefinger1000
    Snakefinger1000 7 days ago

    Edison was a crook, he stole ideas from other scientists and made them his own.

    • prep74
      prep74 7 days ago

      Like the practical light bulb.

  • Todd Merrell
    Todd Merrell 8 days ago

    The short answer to the loudness war question is that it's to compensate for a lack of amplification. That is all.

  • Todd Merrell
    Todd Merrell 8 days ago

    Voynl.

  • DimensionsOfEarth
    DimensionsOfEarth 8 days ago

    The truth about Vinyl.... It's a ton of plastic!

  • Delphinium Flower
    Delphinium Flower 8 days ago +4

    In May, of 2019, SETI received a reply from Alpha Centauri about the Voyager recording. The aliens in Alpha Centauri requested that NASA send them a digital version of the recording.

    • Thom Moore
      Thom Moore 2 days ago

      This is so funny. I laughed till it hurt.

  • Reactions
    Reactions 8 days ago

    Lol! ... The gold record that was sent into space! ... Yeah, right. Whatever will the sheep believe next?

    • TherMiX
      TherMiX 6 days ago

      cringe

    • d5uncr
      d5uncr 7 days ago

      Your name is what you're out to get, right?

  • Romaion
    Romaion 8 days ago +3

    Blah Blah Blah - Use your own ears to figure out what you like better. Case closed.

  • Chuck Itall
    Chuck Itall 8 days ago

    I was lucky enough to have had the chance to sit down with a very famous drummer and musician at his house with 78 recordings going back to the 40s on a system that was perfectly suited to reproduce these recordings and I felt like I had never actually ever heard those songs I knew and loved before, the nuances and depth is just not something you can know if you have not experienced it like I had that day.
    I felt I was let into a world I had no concept existed. young modern people want to justify the way things are so they won't have to feel bad about never getting those experiences so they down and discount what it actually is. out of mind does not mean does not exist.
    it's not just the recordings themselves but the artistry that went into making them in the first place. the engineers of that day had limitations but they created those recordings as art, every Mic placement or instrument captured in all its glory, and played by artists at the top of their game.
    the low end was stunning in these recordings, it was not just that I could hear it, it was how beautiful it sounded. like the best meal you ever had but for your ears. Not to mention connecting closer to the heart of the musician expressing somthing. like a briliant stunning painting but in art of sound.
    no it's not the same, and anyone that says that is just ignorant to the experience.

  • Chuck Kasualty
    Chuck Kasualty 8 days ago +1

    the only problem I have with digital is there is a small pause between tracks. so if one song is supposed to crossfade to the next, you get this gap between the two songs. I still prefer digital over vinyl though.

    • Chuck Kasualty
      Chuck Kasualty 5 days ago

      @TherMiX Thanks, I'll be sure to check that out

    • TherMiX
      TherMiX 5 days ago

      I use Pulsar + on my android (but that's because of the layout, you should find one that suits you better)
      And MusicBee on my Windows 10 (again, because of the layout)
      Just search Gapeless music players and you can choose for yourself, there are many differents UIs and that makes a big difference

    • d5uncr
      d5uncr 5 days ago

      Yeah, if you have a downloaded copy of something you have no idea what imbecile created it and how.
      When I'm saying "properly mastered" I mean a CD coming directly from the artist or the record company.

      Chuck, here's some info RE MP3 :
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gapless_playback#Format_support
      It obviously require that the MP3 files themselves don't contain any leading or trailing silence.

    • Chuck Kasualty
      Chuck Kasualty 5 days ago

      @TherMiX Do you know of any MP3 players that can do this? That's what I normally use to listen to music.

  • P. Hamilton
    P. Hamilton 8 days ago

    Helpful Hints ! ....100 grit sandpaper and WD40....will clean any fingerprints from vinyl. AND, vinyl records make acceptably good frisbees...or even a chair-side table top....

  • Daniel Janus
    Daniel Janus 8 days ago

    Anyone who has heard a good stereo with a decent turntable and cartridge knows it sounds far better than digital. Wind instruments for example sound like a person is actually breathing air into them. Nothing makes the hair on the back of your head stand up like analogue. Digital also gives you aural fatigue after an hour or so. You can listen to vinyl all night.

    • Daniel Janus
      Daniel Janus 2 days ago

      @Thom Moore I have 30K worth of hifi equipment...and ears. What do you have, an iPod shuffle? Those are for girls.

    • Thom Moore
      Thom Moore 2 days ago +1

      What high end audio rag did you read that from? With BS like this you could probably write for Stereophile or at least be a salesman at a high end audio store.

  • Ora nge
    Ora nge 8 days ago +4

    If you want analogue, just use cassette, they are:
    -smaller
    -can actually be written to
    -cheaper
    -hold more
    -no crackle
    -still used
    USE THEM

  • Prateek
    Prateek 8 days ago +2

    Anybody who claims that vinyl is superior to lossless Digital should be made to do a double blind listening test, before he is allowed to spew his bullshit

  • Jonathan Hess
    Jonathan Hess 8 days ago

    HOW DO CASSETTES WORK

  • Manuel Rodriguez-Achach

    Vinyl smells better

  • Chris Malan
    Chris Malan 8 days ago

    No, they don't understand the concepts. Humans love talking nonsense on subjects they don't understand. And vinyl soon gets scratches and, being physical, wears out. For that reason, digital is better.

  • Amonikable
    Amonikable 9 days ago +1

    Good Lord!
    Pardon my French here, but this pos video makes me cringe so effin much!
    Real Engineering my bloody arse. Or am I being stupid for not knowing that there's a moving magnet at the back of my tone arm where the goddamn counterweight is supposed to be?
    And for stylus radiuses at higher frequencies.... there are several cuts to choose from. I wonder if there are any complaints of vinyl listeners using shibata or micro line cutted styluses. I highly doubt it.
    Heck you don't even talk about shellac but show it the whole time throughout your video.

  • Amonikable
    Amonikable 9 days ago

    There are so many mistakes in this video.......

  • Anthony Byrd
    Anthony Byrd 9 days ago +3

    Those Rice Krispies background sounds on vinyl as it is played and sound distortion is so much better than digital reproduction 🤥🤥🤥

  • WICKEDLEE LOOPY
    WICKEDLEE LOOPY 9 days ago

    Would love to see what Uribe would look like if it was recorded on vinyl. This video would be 4 seconds long...lol

  • alanmelb
    alanmelb 9 days ago

    The graphic of the tone arm is interesting. The pick-up coil and magnet is housed directly above the stylus.

  • John Johnson
    John Johnson 9 days ago +2

    RIAA equalization corrects for Lenz's Law re frequency & magnetics Not space on the record.

    • John Johnson
      John Johnson 8 days ago +1

      @Carl Klinkenborg I was unaware of the physical issues in cutting vinyl records. Please set this aside. One of the Lenz / Faraday laws holds that in generating a voltage through magnetic induction the magnitude of the output is proportional to the rate of change aka frequency. For the same signal level through a range of frequencies the level of the output will vary by the frequency of the signal level. The RIAA equalization curve corrects for this variance. Thanks for info re physical issues.

  • Geo Zero
    Geo Zero 9 days ago

    It's a matter of compression.

  • Jay Rock Nurse
    Jay Rock Nurse 9 days ago

    I must disagree with you. The test thatr I used was strictly with the sound of bass with heavy ROCK music. I used a vynil copy and a CD of the same song by the band Grand Funk Railroad. One side had much more bass guitar. With the volume up pretty high, I stood in grony of my Floor standing speaker that had mostly Bass guitar. It certainly sounder great. Then I switched oner to the same song on the album versaion. As I stood in front of the speaker, the air was moving my pants leg. I did the test again and I noticed that the bass speaker movedc much less in the digital format.. My friends refered to the bass speaker "humping" as it was surely moving air. This is why I insist that analogue sounds better.

    • prep74
      prep74 8 days ago +1

      So you compared different masterings on different formats. All things equal, it is not possible for vinyl to reproduce bass as deep and as accurate as digital. Try comparing EDM music or a 2Pac CD v LP and you should clearly hear the difference, and feel it on you pant leg lol. Some people say vinyl generally is bassier than digital and to some extent that is true. That is because of vinyl inaccuracies at the frequency extremes, so bass is thicker because it is compressed, while digital is accurate with no overhang - it only reproduces the bass that is in the recording.

    • ReaktorLeak
      ReaktorLeak 8 days ago +1

      Pretty scientific approach there!

    • Geo Zero
      Geo Zero 9 days ago

      What you experienced is compression.
      Analog is not as compressed and tends to have a different dynamic range thus causing the speaker cones to move more and thus push air.
      Digital is overly compressed and "flat" though arguably will sound louder, the speaker cones do not move much since everything is already compressed.
      If you want to feel that live sound feel, and greater dynamics, as was intended on a lot of music then analog is the way. If you only listen to EDM or Pop, digital is all you need.

  • El Chanflé
    El Chanflé 9 days ago

    I would rather download newer songs than buy a copy on RECORD.

    • El Chanflé
      El Chanflé 9 days ago

      @James Koralewski True!

    • James Koralewski
      James Koralewski 9 days ago

      Probably, most of those downloads are compressed format, too.

  • Charlie Porter
    Charlie Porter 9 days ago +7

    Wow, you really should fix the comment about the first printing of a record being 1948...pretty big mistake there, guys.

    • Ayelmar
      Ayelmar 9 days ago +2

      He said it was the first printing of a *vinyl* record -- prior to that, nearly all records were made of a shellac resin, with other materials even earlier , but vinyl was a late development.

  • Barbara Maj
    Barbara Maj 9 days ago +1

    only an engineer (and not a musician) could claim the digital being better than live. Sorry but you are trying to prove an objective point using subjective issues. Individuals are not computers and CAN distinguish the choppiness of digital!

    • prep74
      prep74 8 days ago +1

      @d5uncr I think he believes in digital fallacies, ie the 'stair steps'. It is ok not to understand digital sampling but to say something out of ignorance is well, ignorant.

    • d5uncr
      d5uncr 9 days ago +1

      What " _choppiness of digital_ " do you think you're hearing?

  • Kevin McCracken
    Kevin McCracken 10 days ago +1

    I've got to disagree that vinyl and CD are functionally equivalent. For dynamic range, crosstalk, signal-to-noise ratio and distortion, CD blows vinyl out of the water. That's without considering vinyl's serious issues like rumble, wow and flutter, etc.

    • prep74
      prep74 8 days ago

      @James Koralewski Anyone can do that through a competent needle-drop of the record. If you playback the digital recording on the same stereo as the donor turntable, level matched etc, it sounds exactly the same as the record.

    • ReaktorLeak
      ReaktorLeak 8 days ago

      @James Koralewski Do you have a link for that? I'd love to try it! :D

    • James Koralewski
      James Koralewski 9 days ago

      Inventor Bob Carver, found out that you can also make a digital source sound like an (analog source) LP by manipulating the output stage of the power amplifier. Some of his amps, under the Sunfire name, could make the music either sound like a CD or an LP by how you connected the output of his amp, all while using a digital (CD) source.

  • Greg Petti
    Greg Petti 10 days ago +1

    This doesn't mention the signal to noise difference between vinyl (or tape) and digital media or streaming. Also I've found when comparing songs between vinyl and CDs the dynamic range is much more accurate for digital recordings as the vinyl signal is "compressed" (talking about audio compression here). I.e. Louder sounds are reduced in amplitude and softer sounds are increased (in no small part to bring above the noise). I believe Dolby helps with this but I think (arguably) that digital is much closer to the original dynamics of the recording (particularly if digitally mastered). This can actually be annoying at times and for people who are used to the vinyl or tape version, the digital recording may not sound right to them.

    • prep74
      prep74 8 days ago

      @James Koralewski Yes that was Neil Dorsfman, Dire Strait's producer. Dire Straits were one of the first rock bands to fully embrace digital, recording Brothers in Arms in 1984 as a pure digital production. In the interview he mentioned how they had to relearn mike placements, room acoustics etc because digital recordings were picking up things that analog did not such as feet shuffling, finger tapping etc (and that was with 16/44 as it was back in the day).

    • James Koralewski
      James Koralewski 9 days ago

      I remember when the first CDs were made from the masters of the current LPs, ( most of these first CDs were classical CDs ) the biggest problem, discussed, was the placement of the microphones. They said that the placement of the microphones for the LP masters was not correct for the new digital CDs. It took quite a while before they either corrected the microphone placement of the LP masters converted to digital CD or until the new masters were made specifically for the new digital format.

  • Mr Boat
    Mr Boat 10 days ago +1

    What the generalizations between analog and digital tend to discount is, that many of us grew up with side-by-side use of analog with digital as it slowly evolved. Most of us still had to use vinyl and tape along with CDs.