Marvel (MCU) vs Star Wars: Why one is rising and one is falling

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  • Dennis Tay
    Dennis Tay Day ago

    www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/9h0mue/i_hate_to_say_it_but_the_get_woke_go_broke/

    I read the link above and I thought over about the concept of “Go Woke, Go Broke”.

    If I’m to be perfectly honest, a likeable fictional character is a likeable fictional character regardless of gender, race, religion, nationality or sexuality. In that regard, the whole concept of “Go Woke, Go Broke” should be rather irrelevant. The same goes for other storytelling elements such as plot and themes.

    The problem, which also makes the concept of “Go Woke, Go Broke” pretty darn relevant, is when people try to enforce a politically correct narrative to the point of ruining a story or a character. Let’s go over a few examples.

    In the movie, ‘Aliens’, the main character is a WOMAN named Ellen Ripley. I enjoyed watching the movie and did not care that Ellen Ripley was a lady as she kicked Xenomorph ass. The reasons why I did not care were because the movie was awesome and, a VERY important fact to take note of, Ellen Ripley was a likeable character first and a lady second. The same argument can be said about another female character named Sarah Conner in ‘Terminator 2: Judgement Day’.

    Now, how about ‘Black Panther’? I personally enjoyed the movie as I found it entertaining. It did not matter that the movie had a black main character or that it portrayed an advanced society of black people. The reasons why I was not bothered at all were because the portrayal was pretty good and, another VERY important fact to take note of, the plot elements actually respected the source material which is the original comics. As “controversial” as it may sound, changing the gender or race of important characters risks DISRESPECTING the source material and must therefore be done with great care and respect. A good example of a movie which changes the gender or race of important characters without effectively ruining the story is ‘Dr. Strange’ which portrays the Ancient One as a woman instead of a man and Karl Mordo who is a black character in the movie. Before anyone asks, I liked ‘Dr. Strange’ and did not care about the changes in gender or race. Besides, the Cloak of Levitation was an awesome character.

    In the recent movie, ‘Bumblebee’, the main human character was a teenage girl named Charlie Watson but I did not mind that fact at all. What really made me enjoy the movie was how it paid a more respectable homage to the original transformer cartoon series compared to previous movies directed by Michael Bay. Plus, Blumblebee’s antics while he had amnesia were pretty darn funny.

    What about the 2016 reboot of ‘Ghostbusters’? Honestly, I found the movie “watch-able but inferior to the original” at best and I honestly think that my opinion would not have changed even if they used male lead characters to act out the established plot of the movie. For example, I honestly believe that the part of the movie in which Abby Yates and Erin Gilbert went “bonkers with delight” after discovering a malevolent spirit for the first time would not be improved by putting in two male characters in their place. Plus, I found the male receptionist of the remake, Kevin Beckman, an annoying imbecile of a character whom I would still find annoying even if a female character took that role instead. There is only so much good looks can mitigate a character’s idiocy before the said idiocy becomes unbearable regardless of gender or pre-existing medical conditions.

    What of ‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’? I honestly did not enjoy the film very much. I will leave out arguments about Reys, Kylo Ren, Luke Skywalker and Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo since a lot of other angry fans have already disparaged their respective portrayals in the movie. Instead, I wish to cover Poe Dameron. In the previous movie, ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’, he was portrayed as a pretty okay character. As for his portrayal in ‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’, he was portrayed as someone who was constantly wrong until he “went woke”. Don’t get me wrong, he definitely messed up in the first part of the movie when he ignored direct orders to retreat to destroy a single enemy ship. However, Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo did not explain her plan to him while they were retreating from enemy pursuit which made him decide to take his own initiative behind her back. Granted, he was a soldier who was supposed to follow a superior’s command but if she had explained at least part of the plan to him or was willing to listen to him, as opposed to simply dismissing him for his earlier insubordination, she could have prevented a whole lot of issues which happened later in the movie. Instead, the movie gave me the impression that she was supposed to be seen as faultless even though she did not explain the logic of a plan which involved escaping enemy pursuit without fighting back even as the enemy destroyed their vessels one by one. As far as I know, she did not explain the plan to anyone until the last possible minute. To be perfectly fair, both Poe Dameron and Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo share fault for poor communication but the fact remains that the movie implies that a superior’s word should never be questioned which is not a particularly good theme regardless of gender. A better theme would be that both superior and subordinate can make mistakes and must cooperate with one another through sensibly open communication to ensure effectiveness while at work.

    Long story short, if you really want to defy the whole concept of “Go Woke, Go Broke”, focus on creating likeable characters, interesting stories and inspiring themes first and foremost. All other else, be it gender, race, religion, nationality or sexuality comes second, AT BEST. If you are incapable of putting gender, race, religion, nationality or sexuality aside for the sake of good storytelling, you’ll inevitably get called out for it which would strengthen the concept of “Go Woke, Go Broke”. Also, remaking a well-loved story for the sole purpose of putting in politically correct ideas, even if it means disrespecting the source material to oblivion, will NEVER be viewed as good storytelling by anyone who cares more about the story than the political ideas behind it.

    Edit:

    Before anyone talks about “whitewashing”, let me make it clear that I did not even bother to watch Gods of Egypt or the live-action movie of Avatar, The Last Airbender. That should tell you something about my opinion about the two movies.

  • Dark Scorpion
    Dark Scorpion 2 days ago

    Star Wars hasn't fallen in my book. I dont consider episodes 7 and 8 and SOLO canon whatsoever so i'm fine loving my Empire, clone Wars and old republic. There's plenty in those timelines for me to explore... this is my personal opinion and choice so whoever is gonna reply by saying I dont matter and its cannon cause Disney says so can go @#$% Themselves...

  • Monkey Man
    Monkey Man 5 days ago

    To me, no movie series will make me like it more than Star Wars, Star Wars will always be my favorite Movie Series

  • jetairliner spartan
    jetairliner spartan 6 days ago +1

    Now mcu is fading

  • Chistopher R
    Chistopher R 8 days ago

    Marvel appeals to fans, which in turn appeals to everyone else. Star Wars appeals to that pink haired lesbian girl that works at Starbucks down the street.
    That’s why one is failing and one is rising.
    I love Star Wars. And I love marvel. It’s painful for me to see a once amazing and treasured Star Wars universe becoming just another SJW propaganda piece that appeals to 1% of people.
    People don’t go to see movies so they can hear more about what’s clogging up their Facebook newsfeeds everyday. They go to a movie to escape reality for a moment and experience part of an amazing universe they’d never otherwise get to see.
    That’s what marvel gets. That’s what Disney absolutely does not get.

  • Hibonbon
    Hibonbon 9 days ago

    Infinity War and The Last Jedi did the same thing. They subverted our expectations. The only difference between the two is that, Infinity War did it right. The Last Jedi did not.

  • Dee Banks
    Dee Banks 11 days ago

    I'm not tired of Star Wars... I'm tired of bad Star Wars movies.

  • TovenOvideoRPC
    TovenOvideoRPC 13 days ago

    Rian Johnson has the most punchable face I have ever seem

  • TovenOvideoRPC
    TovenOvideoRPC 13 days ago

    It almost seems like Disney wanted to destroy Star Wars on purpose so the MCU can stay at the absolute top of it's game.

  • Kaleb Barbour
    Kaleb Barbour 17 days ago

    Winter soldier was the movie that had to shake the MCU up

  • Mattox Lemley
    Mattox Lemley 17 days ago

    I am a HUGE! Star Wars fan. and when I say huge I mean MASSIVE! but it breaks my heart to realize that I am not excited for episode IX. when the Force Awakens came out I had a few problems with it like it's lack of originality but the bottom line was I LOVE STAR WARS, and I was super freaking excited for the new trilogy. And then the Last Jedi came out and I was disappointed. I still don't really know how I feel about it on a lot of levels, some days I think its fine and others its ruined the franchise. But the reason it doomed the sequals for me was becouse It dident build momentum and did not feel like it built off the previous film. going into episode nine we dont even have a palpaple Idea of what the stakes are. We're in the second movie now, I really don't think that IX will be able to pull the franchise out of decline. ever since I began to develop fatigues with The Force Awakens I've been waiting for a savior film, a "Chosen one" and just like Anakin it's backfired and seemingly destroyed OUR Star Wars and divided the fandom. A big part of the Last Jedi is that the Galaxy has given up. In the words of Princess Leia "We've run out of hope"
    I'm gonna go buy some death sticks.

  • Ben Sebastian
    Ben Sebastian 27 days ago

    Huh, u guys jinxed it! Captain Marvel will destroy the MCU all on its own!

    • The Man
      The Man 13 days ago

      Ben Sebastian 20 movies in 10 years and you think Captain Marvel is gonna destroy it? I wonder why you think that, especially since the movie isn’t even out.

  • darth hrongl
    darth hrongl 28 days ago

    I loved the prequels

  • Cisco4kid1990
    Cisco4kid1990 29 days ago

    I always thot it was funny Dinsey said people have star wars fatigue when Marvel makes like 2 movies a year and yet people still watch every single movie over and over again maybe its cuz some people go to the movies once a month and most people go once a year and if its a great movie your going to see it more than once period but nope its cuz we are fatigued lmao wtf yea making movies take longer to come out is the answer to fixing the fans who don't like what they are paying for smh how dumb is that

  • Cisco4kid1990
    Cisco4kid1990 29 days ago

    I only like Poe in all of star wars today o and the rouge one characters

  • Cisco4kid1990
    Cisco4kid1990 29 days ago

    I LOVED THE PREQUELS

  • Cisco4kid1990
    Cisco4kid1990 29 days ago

    like Downey Jr said they listens to the fans and made it better vs fighting with the fans and taking shit too them

  • Chris Costa
    Chris Costa 29 days ago

    Bc they didn't make several movies with the main character as a mary sue.

  • SF TIGERSHOT
    SF TIGERSHOT 29 days ago +1

    You can't really compare the two. I also wouldn't say the rise or fall, that's so trying to sell it. Marvel has always been on top with spiderman, X-Men comics and blockbusters since at least 1998 eaely 2000s, while star wars was doing it's thing then also with the release of episode 1 2 and prior films, both as equally respectable.
    Recently yes star wars sucks balls but you can't put a statement on something like that. Making it seem like it'll be abolished, never to make another film again sort of shit. It's missleading. Stars wars simply needs Lucas back. Or just get rid of Disney, let them make kids movies.
    Abrams just doesn't understand that, sometimes the obvious is better then complicated, snoke theory's, Reys origins etc.. so many other issues also.

    • Mike Dasik
      Mike Dasik 14 days ago

      It's not about Disney. Marvel is Disney too and many franchises are Disney today.
      It's about the people who create the franchise.
      Kathleen Kennedy and Ryan Johnson care more about their own agendas than about Star Wars. As the video said, they don't have even plan. That's manager problem. Not "Disney" problem.
      Same could be said about DC (but at least Zack Snyder had some plan at first; very bad plan, but still). And DC is Warner Bros.

  • JDangerBoy
    JDangerBoy Month ago +1

    Just scrolling down these comments. They are so sad, yet so true. Us Fans is the only way to save Star Wars. We need to save it before it is too late.

  • A Guy
    A Guy Month ago

    UR MUM GAY

  • AF
    AF Month ago

    Marvel is the new king sadly, not to say they don’t deserve it but Star Wars should be to

  • Sourav Ghosh
    Sourav Ghosh Month ago

    They should reboot star wars now and find a person like kevin fiege to guide the star wars universe in the future

  • Fuck this Life
    Fuck this Life Month ago

    Bitch its OVER star wars is wayyyyy better

  • eisfresh
    eisfresh Month ago

    I have a feeling Captain Marvel/Avengers End Game is going to slow down the MCU. Captain Marvel is going to be very polarizing

    • Mike Dasik
      Mike Dasik 14 days ago

      It depends how they'll portray her. If she is cool and has understandable motivations, then people will like her. If she only cares about being political and strong female character, then yes, fans will be pissed.

  • Rachel&John Hyatt
    Rachel&John Hyatt Month ago

    Disney owns both of them.

  • Aratron
    Aratron Month ago

    wait to see captain marvel the last jedi of MCU

    • Aratron
      Aratron 12 days ago

      +The Man im not anymore fan of starwars also you will see the grave is already digged....

    • The Man
      The Man 13 days ago

      Aratron you Star Wars fans REALLY want the MCU so crumble to bad lmao

  • Austin Johnsen
    Austin Johnsen Month ago

    Can you imagine how horrifying it would be if KK was president of Marvel? Black Widow would almost certainly be the Mary Sue lead since she is kinda the stoic tough girl and she would be the the one to use Thor’s hammer.

  • Raunak Tripathi
    Raunak Tripathi Month ago

    MARVEL RULES!!!!!

  • Jithin R
    Jithin R Month ago

    Ten years ago people knew Wolverine prof x Magento fantastic 4

  • Jeep Groove
    Jeep Groove Month ago

    Just imagine Tony Stark being treated like Luke Skywalker. Tony is being handed the Iron Man suit, being called to battle to save man kind one again. Nah, just gonna milk a sea cow and trash the suit. Old things just need to die. How do they not get it at a Lucasfilm?

  • Kyle Jett
    Kyle Jett Month ago

    I'm definitely going to disagree with you when you say that MCU doesn't talk about politics and neither should Star Wars.. MCU talks about politics all the time, but they fit it into the plot better. Star wars was poorly written and apparently it stood out to people more, but both movies do it.. hell all movies have social commentary about our current day in some form. That's just how art works.

    • Mike Dasik
      Mike Dasik 14 days ago +1

      He didn't say that.
      He said that Marvel CAN talk about politics because the movies happen in our real world (with some additions like superpowers).
      Star Wars are in galaxy in far far away, they shouldn't discuss real life politics.

  • potawatadingdong
    potawatadingdong Month ago

    Marvel is capitalizing on what makes it great while Star Wars is trying to destroy it.

  • sinistar99
    sinistar99 Month ago

    Star Wars is 40+ years old. The MCU is like 10 years old. "Why is one franchise getting stale while the other is not durrr I can't put my finger on it... Must be Disney's fault.." Cauae you know Lucas took it in a direction that was universally loved right?
    To quote Yoda "When 900 years you reach, look as good you will not." Lets see if in 30 years the MCU is still pumping out the hits.

    • sinistar99
      sinistar99 14 days ago

      "20 movies"
      ... in ONLY ten years with the same actors playing the same characters that are still central to the stories. Yes it IS about how old they are. These aren't the same stories about the same people. It's 40 years old. You can't compare the MCU to the STAR WARS franchise they're very different things. In 30 more years do you expect an octoginarian Robert Downy Jr to hobble into his Iron Man suit or what? 40 is a lot more than 10.
      Luke is older in TFA than Obi Wan was in A New Hope. You know, Obi Wan who like Yoda went off by himself and lived as a hermit and did nothing while the galaxy went all to hell and the Emperor rose to power... Obi Wan who FAILED his pupil and lost him to the Dark side...
      Gosh they "Ruined his character." lol

    • Mike Dasik
      Mike Dasik 14 days ago

      MCU has 20 movies.
      SW has 8 + 2 spinoffs... It's not about how old they are.

  • Bijuu Tamer
    Bijuu Tamer Month ago

    Fast forward to today
    "I'm not going to help your universe.
    I'm going to end it"

  • Tom
    Tom Month ago

    Star Wars turned in to a SJW wet dream. Girl power bullshit, token black guy can take on Sith Lord, bad guy is a whiney emo bitch. Not to mention the first new one felt like a horrible remake of the original... Oh look another death star. 😂

  • Phil Vaive
    Phil Vaive Month ago

    The Last Jedi made 934 million in box office receipts within I think about 3 weeks. It's one of the highest grossing movies of all time. Just because you don't like women and black people in movies doesn't mean that other people don't.

    • Mike Dasik
      Mike Dasik 14 days ago

      Holdo was bad character, not because she was woman. But because she was arrogant and stupid. If she was clever and good leader, she could become new beloved character. The actress is very likeable, I think. But her role was awful.

  • Ascendaeus
    Ascendaeus Month ago

    I was Surprised to find 3rd wave Feminism in a Galaxy far far Away...

  • Sequentially Compact

    Marvel is winning because the writers and creators embrace the vastness and endless variety of its universe. Star Wars is losing because the writers and creators deleted the vastness and endless variety of its universe to pack everything into a tiny snowglobe representation of its universe.

  • Michael Matherne
    Michael Matherne Month ago

    I'm gonna say something that's probably going to get a lot of hate: the Star Wars universe was always kind of limited. By Return of the Jedi, it was already in rehash territory. It had two good stories to tell: the destruction of the ultimate superweapon, and the redemption of Vader, and then it was done. It even had to rehash the ultimate superweapon part to fill up three movies.
    Marvel has a much richer, far less limited universe.

  • Narwolf
    Narwolf Month ago +1

    Most people seem to be divided between loving the Force Awakens, and hating the Last Jedi, or loving the last Jedi and hating the Force Awakens. Am I the only person who can't stand either of them?
    For goodness sake, you've got an enormous universe full of space wizards and millions of different unique cultures with different mythologies and ways of utilizing the Force, and the best story you can come up with is a rehash of "the rebels have to take down the evil empire?" Really? I'm sick of it, let's go somewhere new and tell a new story!

    • Mike Dasik
      Mike Dasik 14 days ago

      *standing ovation*
      Exactly! I have never understood why they don't focus on another story.
      (But I didn't have TFA, I like New Hope, I liked this movie too.)

  • Minato Namikaze
    Minato Namikaze Month ago

    Star Wars Theory: fine, I’ll do it myself

  • nick 1
    nick 1 Month ago

    Now it both

  • ForlZ David
    ForlZ David Month ago

    Well marvel is falling too, after Avengers 4

    • Mike Dasik
      Mike Dasik 14 days ago

      After Avengers 4, they'll have movies about Spider-Man and Doctor Strange, beloved characters... They won't fall soon.

  • Nick Siegfried
    Nick Siegfried Month ago

    Disney star wars is like white trash winning the lottery. They blow all the money on things like a mansion and expensive cars, not realizing they actually need to make payments on them. The MCU is like someone who is smart and invested their money over a long term period and actually became wealthy

  • Hello There
    Hello There Month ago

    simple

    Star Wars pre-disney was good because George Lucas was crazy! He didn't make the movies out of money, he did it out of love. Disney sees Star Wars and an opportunity to get money, and I'm sure it wouldn't have been as good as pre-disney Star wars, but it'd be decent had they picked someone other than Kathleen to lead the way

  • Gutfried Von Guttenberg

    Marvel is Marvel and is good on it
    But Disney Star Wars now trys to be Marvel as well and fails, because they don´t know how exactly to do it and most importantly, they are not meant to be Marvel, the fans don´t want that and they cant do both
    While Marvel is growing up and learning from it´s mistakes, Disney Star Wars is going back to from where Marvel begun
    Disney is trying really hard to build up a Franchise as strong as the Marvel one and is copying their Franchise-management and don´t focus on what they are, while Marvel already got their franchise and is now focusing (at least more than before) making better film to hold it
    It would have been easy to for Disney Star Wars to be good, but they didn´t trusted the old franchise compared to Marvel, removed and changed too many things while they didn´t know how to rebuild what they destroyed; and they are to ignorant to change their strategy

    • Mike Dasik
      Mike Dasik 14 days ago

      +Gutfried Von Guttenberg I don't agree with not being likeable. Even Vader was likeable in some way. Thanos too. Joker too. They are fan favorites.

    • Gutfried Von Guttenberg
      Gutfried Von Guttenberg 14 days ago

      +Mike Dasik Marvel still can afford that the main characters just forget things again or decide that they don´t want to use it immediately, but later or not in it´s strongest form
      That´s how these movies work, otherwise there wouldn´t be a real fight, just some guy attacking first
      And a good character doesn´t have to be likeable
      The best characters are designed to be comprehensibl and not to be your favorite
      But of cause if you want to run a franchise, your characters need fans

    • Mike Dasik
      Mike Dasik 14 days ago

      +Gutfried Von Guttenberg
      The main problem is that Marvel is hero-based franchise. Their heroes are the most important thing they have. The villains and plots are there only to push the heroes forward, so they would learn something new. Marvel heroes are always likeable, more or less relatable, and you wish that they'd win, you root for them.
      New Star Wars killed all of their main and beloved characters too soon. The new ones are not much popular yet and they're far less likeable.
      And what's interesting, MCU has become better space opera movie franchise than Star Wars.

    • Gutfried Von Guttenberg
      Gutfried Von Guttenberg Month ago

      and one last thing: Marvel understands that they are a Super-Hero-Genere, but Disney Star Wars trys to be it´s very own Genre
      They don't focus what is special about their Genre as a relative realistic Sifi which is able to tell great storys, in stead they do...what every you want to call that ***

  • Wesley Toehay
    Wesley Toehay Month ago

    Once again, you have perfectly captured the public’s thoughts about the terrible direction Star Wars is headed.

  • Kebabmannen 365
    Kebabmannen 365 Month ago

    I have a confession, @4:38 trigger me alot.
    Good day folks!

  • Parker Brown
    Parker Brown Month ago

    It's true Disney is killing star wars

  • Parker Brown
    Parker Brown Month ago

    Back in the day people would say their favorite marvel heroes were Spiderman, wolverine, and the incredible hulk. I think they were the most popular and recognizable. Nowadays people recognize most of the average avengers. I think that is pretty Awesome. But I am a little sad that star wars is dying. Well, at least for me it is...

  • Shut Up
    Shut Up Month ago +1

    Thanos snapped and wiped away Star Wars and DC

  • The Geeky Realms
    The Geeky Realms Month ago

    Also, Marvel Studios literally listen to and Incorporated to big fan theories the first being that the kid saved by Tony Stark in Iron Man 2 was in fact Peter Parker and the second one being Stan Lee is a watcher or working with the Watchers and it's the same character in all the movies. Compare that with Star Wars where they have removed the EU and novels and everything the fans loved from canon while also ignoring fan favorite characters like Ahsoka

  • Raust Zachery
    Raust Zachery Month ago

    in 10 more years the roles will be reversed again.

  • Paul Schuster
    Paul Schuster Month ago

    Nailed it. Subscribed!

  • Awesometastic
    Awesometastic Month ago

    Star Wars will continue to flounder as long as Rey, Queen of the Mary Sue, is a model for women.

  • Surviveme today
    Surviveme today Month ago

    Yes, I understand what you're saying here.

  • Noah Martinez
    Noah Martinez Month ago

    The real problem with Solo is that it wasn't necessary at all
    It suffers a little from prequelitis

  • What What
    What What Month ago

    Really hope kite man get a movie

  • Steven Baal
    Steven Baal Month ago

    Thanos was right. Half the population have got to go.
    Let's genocide the Leftists before they do it to us.

  • Steven Baal
    Steven Baal Month ago

    They had me at Ironman.

  • lschroter2020
    lschroter2020 Month ago

    lets face it Marvel is the New king Star wars and DC are ripping of the franchise that actually has a planed formula and very mcu movie was a hit that's impressive

  • Bara Menhardova
    Bara Menhardova Month ago

    We do not speak of the Incredible Hulk.

  • Santino DeWreede
    Santino DeWreede Month ago

    You’re completely wrong with your opening statement.

  • YourMajesty143
    YourMajesty143 2 months ago

    What are you talking about? I have 3 words for you: Saturday Morning Cartoons. The 90s were FULL of Marvel shows. I grew up watching X-men, Spiderman, Fantastic 4, Ironman, Silver Surfer, and reruns of the Hulk (TV show with Lou Ferrigno). And the 90s were only a decade before Ironman first came to theaters. And X-men came out at the very end of the 90s in 2000, with Spiderman being released just 2 years later. I'm almost 100% certain, if you walked up to a person who wasn't under 8 years old, you'd get somebody who was a Marvel fan of the shows. And if you had somebody older who wasn't a cartoon fanatic, they'd at least know the comics. You underestimate the permeated influence of Marvel on each generation. So I had pause at your intro and just leave this comment, bc the idea that nobody knows at least 3 Marvel characters is silly, or that they'd confuse them with DC characters. That's just bonkers, dude. Oh yeah, Bonkers....another great 90s animated series 😜

    • Mike Dasik
      Mike Dasik 14 days ago

      Maybe you in US. Other people not.
      I heard about Spider-Man for the first time in 2003 when I was 19.

  • Salmaan Choudry
    Salmaan Choudry 2 months ago

    What's the point we all nowe infinity war part2 will keep marvel down fore a few years and star wars will come back and fly across marvel dc all the other disney movies sorry but star wars will come back on top of the

  • One Brick to Rule them All

    I am a huge fan of both franchises but I will have to admit that I totally agree with you

  • The Boy Blunder
    The Boy Blunder 2 months ago +1

    Star wars has been sporadically dead throughout its entire lifetime. What are u even yapping about? Aside from being owned by a parent company there is literally no reason to compare these universes.

  • Crestfire
    Crestfire 2 months ago

    Because Disney is evil

  • reydel mailla
    reydel mailla 2 months ago

    Doesn't matter tho. Disney owns em all

  • Dumisani Tsotetsi
    Dumisani Tsotetsi 2 months ago

    Star Wars Franchise is an empire. Not a democracy. Thats what is wrong with it.

  • tss3393
    tss3393 2 months ago

    Aside from quality control, knowing how to take their time, and respecting their audience, why is Marvel the only cinematic universe that's thriving (the TL:DR version's at the bottom)?
    Well you start with one movie, which was a gamble in and of itself, but it threw the Hail Mary that was Nick Fury popping up at the end to "talk about the Avenger initiative." Marvel continued to not just tease this idea as they brought in other characters and their own stories, but they weaved in very intricate details to let the audience know that something big was about to happen. And then they actually did it. They delivered with The Avengers. And then, because that Nick Fury tease worked so well the last time, and not to mention the few subtle hints that were laid out anyway, they went even bigger and let the audience know where all of this would eventually head-right to Thanos and the Infinity War. Movies and cross-overs came and went, they all varied in quality and significance, but they all kept their eye on the prize. Each step became about building on the worlds and stories, what the Infinity Stones were and where they were, and enlisting more heroes into what we knew would be that ultimate fight against Thanos. What does all of that sound like to you?
    The MCU works because it treats its stories, both individually and collectively, and their structure in as similar of a fashion as one would treat their source material. Marvel treats their comic book movies like comics.

  • Stormtrooper Lego
    Stormtrooper Lego 2 months ago +1

    Your right about this but it still kind of made me cry

  • mR andross guy
    mR andross guy 2 months ago

    Sorry I would like the Marvel Movies
    If Fans wouldn’t praise it so Goddamn Much !!! Pathetic

  • mR andross guy
    mR andross guy 2 months ago

    Marvel died in 2008

  • Perfectly Shunned
    Perfectly Shunned 2 months ago +1

    Thor, what an excellent video with interesting content. If it wasn’t for Rian Johnson peeing all over the fans by ruining character and trilogy continuity, I never would have found the Avengers and many channels like yours. I am so happy now and when I look in my rear view mirror I smile while RJ thinks he was brilliant. Thank you and you delivered this message with aplomb!

  • Walker Of The Skies
    Walker Of The Skies 2 months ago +1

    It's time for the trequel trilogy. All new characters and stories is what Star Wars deserves. I'm talking wiping the slate completely clean with no pre established connection it to anything we already know about in Star Wars. No more Luke, Han, Leia, R2-D2, C3PO, Chewbacca, Palpatine, Obi Wan, Vader/Anakin, Rebels, Empire, Clones, Droids and so on. By letting go of that.. Star Wars can finally grow and not be bound by those old characters and stories. I'm not saying let the past die I'm saying let the past be the past so it can live on and the saga can make room for new stories that don't live in the shadow of nostalgia like the sequels do. The original trilogy was it's own thing so I think that same philosophy should be applied to a new trilogy. Then you have nothing to live up to and you have complete free reign to tell the best possible story. It needs a solid vision too. An idea man.

  • CrimsonNerd
    CrimsonNerd 2 months ago +1

    Star Wars is never going to be truly gone. Heathen.

    • LHF Inatl
      LHF Inatl 2 months ago

      Instead, it'll be that weird uncle everybody has to put up with during the holidays.

  • gyice
    gyice 2 months ago

    Hey, let's not go overboard with our praises for the MCU they are both now owned by the same Mother Corporation and we haven't seen the Impact of the New, "Captain Marvel" SJW release, which from the first two trailers has the strong smell of Bomb about it. Disney has already with the work they have done on Star Wars proven given enough time they can screw even a Franchise with a real strong Fan Base like Star Wars.

    • gyice
      gyice Month ago

      +Schlock Jocks You mean Pre-Disney so your point is?

    • Schlock Jocks
      Schlock Jocks Month ago

      +gyice People said Infinity War wouldn't be good, they said Homecoming would flop, they said Ant-Man would fail, they said Guardians of the Galaxy would flop so hard it would destroy Marvel Studios, they said Avengers couldn't work, they said Thor and Cap were too goofy to work on-screen....they also said Iron Man would flop too thanks to RDJ.

    • gyice
      gyice Month ago

      +Schlock Jocks BS

    • Schlock Jocks
      Schlock Jocks Month ago

      Oh grow up, what you're saying about Captain Marvel was said about nearly every MCU movie.

  • Butch Entertainment
    Butch Entertainment 2 months ago

    Its like they are writing the SW movies as they go. Just sad.

  • SamC927 TheGod
    SamC927 TheGod 2 months ago

    marvel is the new king

  • william dechant
    william dechant 2 months ago +1

    Their was no reward after TLJ for sitting through two movies it should have given some answers to maybe Rey or Finns History. besides luke's character that was one the Issues. I loved Solo and Rogue one However. MTFBWY.

  • Samuel Barber
    Samuel Barber 2 months ago +2

    I think STAR WARS fatigue is a factor, we've gone from six movies being released in 23 years, to another 4 in 4 years.

    • william dechant
      william dechant 2 months ago

      I am not fatigued nor anyone i know... It is the SJW stuff,the Treatment of the Fans and George Lucas characters and Universe.K Kennedy does not even know their was another cut of Star Wars,she thinks the Special editions are the Originals! that clip can be found online. She has to Go!

  • Darth Caedus
    Darth Caedus 2 months ago +1

    Before watching, ill say off the bat, one follows the comcis pretty closely where as the other doesnt want to bring in plot material from the eu

  • Josh Lobes
    Josh Lobes 2 months ago

    I have most of my body covered with star wars tattoos, I’ve read all the legacy novels and agree with you totally Star Wars the last Jedi murdered the franchise for me. You are right on the money !!!

  • Dragonage2ftw
    Dragonage2ftw 2 months ago

    Still hilariously wrong.

  • Joanna White
    Joanna White 2 months ago

    If Rian Johnson gets a hold of the franchise in a new trilogy it's all over

  • Alec Toys
    Alec Toys 2 months ago

    Right on Thor

  • roslolian11
    roslolian11 2 months ago

    The problem is Disney put a feminist in charge who decided she would make Star Wars her own personal sounding stage for her cause instead of doing her job and ensuring Eps 7-9 were amazing movies.
    This changed the objective of the movie that is why this new trilogy is so bad, the goal isn't to tell a great Star Wars story anymore rather the goal is to send across the message that "Women are great, men are dumb so listen to Women".
    This is why Ray is so OP and Luke Skywalker and Ben Solo are so pathetic. This is also why the anime chick freed the horsies and why the leader didn't tell anyone on the army her awesome plan. Finally this is why everyone at the end were rejoicing even if only 12 of them were left, the message was already delivered and so nothing else mattered.
    Disney needs to change the head or tell Kennedy to get her priorities straight. It is unfair she is taking a beloved franchise and twisting everything on its head just because she wants to send her message across.

  • Keith Thorne
    Keith Thorne 2 months ago

    Why?
    1) Disney is doing a shit job
    2) People are dumb enough to eat up the marvel garbage

  • kevin10001
    kevin10001 2 months ago

    For me what has happened with Star Wars was the force awakens started a a cool mystery of where was Luke skywalker and the real reason he stopped seeking out new Jedis and walked away from training them to have the next director come in and undo what was laid out to be expanded upon in the last Jedi

  • Paul Bahen
    Paul Bahen 2 months ago +1

    Star Wars.....
    this is what happens when you make movies around characters nobody cares about.
    This is what happens when you kill off all the characters fans do care about.
    This is what happens when you insult and chase away your fan base.
    This is what happens when you dont listen to what your fans are saying they want to see.
    This is what happens when the people running things aren't Star Wars fans.
    This is what happens when you take a dump on Cannon and try to re-write the universe.

  • Roxychik006
    Roxychik006 2 months ago

    Hey the beginning is about me :)

  • Nihon Zaru
    Nihon Zaru 2 months ago

    Marvels star's are ruining the Franchise with there left-wing political stance and preaching to the fan's

  • Tim BM
    Tim BM 2 months ago

    Marvel is doing good, but it should be doing better if it was on the rise. I will give it another five years and no one will give a damn.

  • Nok2rnal1
    Nok2rnal1 2 months ago

    Marvel is the new king.

  • I Am Moon
    I Am Moon 2 months ago

    Star Wars should just make legends content and make it canon again. Maybe make a Yuuzhan Vong trilogy.

  • Amorphous Root
    Amorphous Root 2 months ago

    My sons are in junior high and high school, and none of their classmates care about Star Wars anymore. Disney, Kennedy and her team killed Star Wars. Marvel is where it’s at now. Sayonara Star Wars.

  • Josh Dalton
    Josh Dalton 2 months ago

    Star Wars is undeniably at its peak right now

  • Henry Doroff
    Henry Doroff 2 months ago

    “If you don’t like Rey you hate women” JJ Abrams