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+Paul Kaitel and it appears you have too so i guess we're even and i should have just not bothered and saved myself a couple of minutes typing
+sickpuppy4711 😂 you're a funny joke
+sickpuppy4711 you look/sound sad. do you need a shoulder to cry on there bud or are you going to roll over and die soon like a good dog?!
There's no point, you've already openly admitted you're closed minded to anything that goes against your brain washing.
+Paul Kaitel by all means explain away however I feel it worth mentioning that reality is subjective at best and fantastical at worst and that's the way the of the world
Say an opinion and it's democracy. Represent it with a film and it becomes propaganda.
Watch how Tommy Robinson catches on Hidden Camera John Sweeney and panorama admitting that BBC Panorama fake news: thexvid.com/video/wNd2bvLvyk4/video.html
I quickly remembered the sadness and disappointment before and after the brexit. Our EU brothers from UK simply disappointed all the EU citizens. How come UK did not have an agency to forecast this manipulation ? Why is this referendum not anulated in the light of all this shit ?
They could most likely do a similar piece on the "stay" campaign but I will say without watching the film I have no idea if this is fact or fiction or a bit of both. It does seem the PM is trying every thing she can to remain in, like a child on purposely doing the washing up so bad you never ask them to do it again. I guess the multinational banks & other transnational corporations who partly fund the remain campaign demand it from her.
i don't think it was worth it for benedict to ruin his hair like that :/
Got to give channel 4 credit where credit is due. They actually still have the balls to keep their comment section open. Very rare you see that with bbc or itv
All I know is the musical score is similar to a clockwork orange with new versions of british classics thrown in
And that's how the British got FUCKED!
Out out out 17 million times out .
Bendydick Comysnatch... isn't he that guy who called black people coloured??
Just watched it on All4. An excellent production but I was feeling nauseous by about half way through. The slogan :TAKE BACK CONTROL: now seems utterly ironic as we are more out of control than we've ever been. And I can't see a way out of this mess.
Dominic Cummings creep liar, criminal manipulator.
So much liberal tears in 1 movie...
Perfect timing for spitting immage to take over brexit.
Propaganda and lies worth a watch to see the salty tears tho.
Was a load of tripe , hotch potch of mumbom jumbo that made no sense, flicking from scene to scene with no continuity whatsoever, was like watching clips stuck together
Look at all the snowflakes getting butthurt over a programme about the worst decision they will ever make in their lives. Losers.
+Monkeyyyy XD. Suuurrree..... keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night and live with the worst decision ever made in a generation. Only actual hope anyone has left is if the incompetent bitch gets booted out in the next couple of weeks and someone who actually had some backing from their own party and basic sense can clean up this mess that she and your kind have made. Oh yeah and you get thrown in with racists because you aligned yourself with them and a decision they made purely out of hatred and bigotry, so like....cry some more about it? Maybe you should have thought about that before. No sympathy for you whatsoever on that front. You made your bed, so sleep in it, while the rest of us try to clean up your mess. That's "winning" I guess. We really need to set our sights higher if that's the case.
+dubkustomz85 When Remainers stop sabotaging the country and smearing every Brexit voter as racist, and when we Leave on the 29th of March, which is set in law.
+Monkeyyyy Yeah? Is that what you call "winning" eh? I feel sorry for you, that you people's lives are so bitter and dull that this DEBACLE is what you consider "winning". When is the country going to start winning then, eh?
Actually, we won. So, that makes us winners. lol
Heap of shite piled so high it blocked out the sunEven as propaganda it's crude and cheap!
Respect the vote, that's democracy.
The acting was decent and it had a few genuinely funny moments like Boris and Gove looking at each other with opera glasses, but the script was nothing but a twisting of events to try and imply Leave somehow won when they shouldn't have. It was totally biased, full of smug condescending digs at leave voters, patronizing propaganda that Leave were all crazy extremists somehow breaking the law and brainwashing people via social media while they portrayed the Remain side as all sensible and respectable, give me a break! They even clearly implied the murder of Jo Cox was because of the Leave campaign, if you look at the actual evidence it is highly questionable if it wasn't a false flag remain assassination to swing the vote just days before, there was zero motive for the guy they have locked up to have done it and the case was full of holes for which no defense case was given. thexvid.com/video/HEIoLftYYLM/video.html
Youd better log off the internet and never go back on it then because thats happening to you all the time. And the only people you can blame for Facebook data being leaked is Facebook, so why arent you calling for Facebook to be shutdown?
+Paul Kaitel It's a breach in the privacy. I dont want the information on my facebook account (hidden from public) being shared with any third party without my consent. This is how Cambridge Analytica proceed to send targeted campaign.
So what if they used internet marketing companies to help their campaign reach people, that's what a campaign is supposed to do, there was nothing illegal about it and data is collected on us whenever we use the internet, TheXvid has placed cookies on your computer to monitor you for example, yet this program made it seem all underhand, illegal and somehow cheating, well the fact is it wasn't any of those, it was just good sense to use internet data services to reach your target audience, so what. I'm sure Remain did the same thing but you wont here about that because it wont be investigated and if they didn't then that's their mistake and wouldnt have changed the result anyway, wouldnt have even been close if the false flag assassination of Jo Cox hadnt also been staged to swing the vote to remain.
There are facts that you cant deny: the leaving campaign used AggregateIQ, Cambridge Analytica, breach in the electoral laws, etc... All of these are not democratic, and until now only a few were aware of this.
Channel 4 = Remain
I wonder if they covered Cameron's infamous 9 million quid leaflets.
Remain propaganda. Terrestrial television is left-wing trash. Nobody except the weak minded take terrestrial British television seriously anymore. Its a complete joke.
Quite an amazing insight on how modern data-driven targeted advertising in social media and voter profiling has changed our country. I am going to visit the comments on this video from the 30th of March and either laugh or cry... let's see.
+Craig Brexit This was totally different, they were targeting us with customised adverts using our social profiles and our friend links using illegal methods to gather data (disguised as games and polls).
That could be said for any general election to be quite honest. I saw a lot of advertisement on facebook during the 2017 snap general election. Vote Labour to save our NHS, was one.
Brexit: The Uncivil War with BenCum as DomCum, as Benedict Cumberbatch plays Vote Leave campaign manager Dominic Cummings. Was there plenty to enjoy with two hours of Cum?dvd-fever.co.uk/brexit-the-uncivil-war-the-dvdfever-review-benedict-cumberbatch/
More bullshit from C4 .you should have been scrapped with Brookside !
Channel 4? Benedict Cumberbatch? No thanks, I don't need them to tell me what to think or why I voted Leave.
That's called ignorance, automatically assuming it's some sort of anti leave propaganda. It had nothing to do with who was right or wrong, but rather how it unfolded. How about you don't judge a book by its cover.
They got remainer a list actor to play the part , the globalists don’t want or like democracy, leave won, you lost get over it, or their be a lot of orange vests walking around, money can’t change peoples minds
pure anti-democratic cancer.we voted leave. deal with it.
I wouldn't worry too much... It is apparently a complete whitewash of history . Nothing of the illegal overspending with the organisation BeLeave. Nothing of the illegal use of peoples data via foreign company Cambridge Analytica and nothing of the millions of pounds in illicit donations made to Vote Leave by the Russian state through Arron Banks.
Brexit manipulation highlighted, well done.
Craig Brexit The program depicted quite well how the leave campaign was won. Many were manipulated. I have had dozens of conversations with people with both views and there is no doubt that many on the leave side run on passion and anger. Many remainers are simply realists.
No one manipulated me. I think that's insulting rhetoric.
cringe and bluepilled
channel 4 pro eu scumbags. more eu propaganda. i wonder what input Farage and Johnson have had in this one sided programe. i guess they are trying to play on the so called lies of leave party. that would be rich coming from the eu and remainers who have not stopped lying.
Apparently not... It is, however, a complete whitewash of history in fact. Nothing of the illegal overspending with the organisation BeLeave. Nothing of the illegal use of peoples data via foreign company Cambridge Analytica and nothing of millions of pounds in illicit donations made to Vote Leave by the Russian state through Arron Banks.
Wow this looks great! I'm just off now to help my daughter to prepare for her backpacking holiday.Not worried as she is only going to a country dominated by the religion of peace.Also need to check that my government has signed the UN MIGRATION PACT in spite of that pesky petition against it.
Spot on Marge.
Anti-Brexit propaganda.Stopped watching Channel 4 years ago, utter tripe.
Some people are saying this will be biased others that it is just an argument. If it were indeed an argument then what about the argument from the perspective of Brexiteers rather than Remainers (just like PM May) arguing it for us? And judging by Channel 4's past record in support of Remain including their news program is it any wonder that this will probably sway more people to feel the need to leave an organisation that, after 2 years of supposed negotiations, will not negotiate anything at all because they fear it will be the end of their authoritarian, elitist, greed ridden project. The working classes are waking up to this nonsense so let them air it so more people get turned off by the middle class bias that these people spew.
+greendaytomd96 There was £9 million of overspending made by the Government with their leaflet at the beginning of the campaign. That same £9 million was, in effect, an illicit donation by the people of the UK who never gave their permission for it to be used in that way because it was tax payers money. And the 'British' political consulting firm isn't the first company to have collected and used data in this way but because the side that the elitists never expected to win did they are using it as an excuse to rerun the referendum thinking loads of people have changed their minds. Well everyone that I speak to haven't changed their's and there are a lot of remainers who now would vote to leave because they have seen how unresponsive the EU have been including Westminster where the majority of MP's got elected on a mandate of leaving the EU. And by the way, was there overspending, foreign funds or political analyst groups doing what are now considered illegal practices when the Conservative and Labour parties got elected under the promise of leaving the EU?
+Craig Brexit absolutely right Craig the way these greedy bastards carry on they are opening the door to a working class revolution the likes of which this country has never seen before we just need to hold our nerve when these people carry out the final betrayal.
+Joseph Handford Freedom of Movement drove down wages and living standards. It's ironic that Labour go on about the poor in society, yet they contributed to the problem with open borders. I'm not blaming migrants either, as It's government and government policy that's to blame. People have been let down in a big way.
+Aman Arya Tricked? Very insulting. I am a free thinking individual, and knew what i was voting for.
Looking at the timing of this release and the parlimentary vote on May's BREXIT in Name Only (BRINO) agreement I rather suspect this is part of the plan to undermine BREXIT. It is quite wrong that this film is being released days before the vote.She postponed the vote not to negotiate but to give her time to publish propaganda (tour of the country, May's Christmas Letter, Queens Speach, New Years Honnours List, 50/50 chance of remaining, power cuts, BBC, control of the media, James O'Brien, Nigel Farages Christmas break, etc., etc., etc.,). She thinks that by by running down the clock everyone will lean towards her deal. Now this appears over the horizon just before the revised vote.
+Aman Arya - wasn't funny at all.
+Craig Brexit - Dominic Cummings would agree with that. We have a choice to leave with 'no deal'. I'm sure that after a whilst they would re-consider.I have to rush to turn off James O'Brien.
The EU has stated that this deal is the only deal we're getting. And we're in this position because of our weak leader and government in charge. We actually had a position of strength, but somehow caved in to every demand. Weak weak weak.
+Aman Arya - looks like 'Project Slime'.
neville what is comedy for then, if not to undermine false authority
It's gonna be some bullshit propaganda on why leaving the EU is bad. But leaving the EU will be fantastic except we won't leave because we have an incompetent prime minister
Where is the great Boris Johnson now?Is he not competent?
Cambridge Analytica is referenced
+Joel Buckley Of course he is, and he's contradicted himself too!
+Aman Arya "It’s also that it is on channel for and is being marketed towards remainers"You've just contradicted yourself there.
I have not seen this movie yet but already from the trailer i don't even have to, this makes Remainers who cant let go look even more , to make a movie about Brexit months before were due to leave by the looks of it without a deal which is what leavers voted for, And so after 2 years of protests, moaning, and whining (which is your right) have done you nothing and now some fat cat gets funding for a movie which says there not trying to depict people who voted leave as monsters, lets try making a bloody movie about all the episodes of project fear we have had from remain to then, Its really funny how you don't see anyone making a movie about that one do u, instead they properly had a have a whiff raff between Tony Blair, John Major and George Sorrow to fund this movie, Gina Miller must be skint by now after court,. when next march comes along and theirs no turning back at least not for another decade so enjoy this movie all you like, it wont make a difference, if you support this movie you do not deserve the democracy we all live, no ifs or buts, if remain won they would be saying the EXACT same thing about us and it amazes me how quick this movie is airing on TV instead of arriving in the cinema like most commercial movies without a agenda, i hope everyone see's through this movie, Cumberbatch should be ashamed and embarrassed with himself, Alot of people who voted for Brexit see this as nothing more than a last resort of the establishment trying to stop us, its soo ridiculous.
I appreciated your comment Thomas. Thank you for giving your opinion. It was very interesting to read.
+Aman Arya "the idiot public" you're a nice guy.
Thomas J Shears reread what I wrote before please.
But now il put it all in short for you because I have had enough plus its my day off lol, if brexit does not at least happen for now to proove our democracy works il lose all hope in it and so will allot more, some might even start voting for more radical party's and it will just tear the UK up even more, we all need to accept brexit for now.
Read all of it and if your not careful you might just learn something
Main actor is someone that supports staying in the EU and welcomes the millions of Africans coming to Europe illegally and stopped a theater play to demand the UK government let in millions of Africans. Surprise surprise channel 4 employ him for a brexit tv drama.
+English Grammar That is a lie. The ECJ stops and has stopped plenty of times Africans and Asians from being deported from the UK. One killed a whole family in a car crash and the ECJ stopped his deportation because he had a pet cat. Totally ridiculous.
+Aman Arya Yes it does. Poor black areas commit more crimes than poor Asian or White areas. Just stop making things up.
+Perma Temp And people like you who no doubt have never had to deal with negative the effects of immigration.. are dangerous nieve loudmouths. I am not on the right, not even vaguely but anyone who disagrees with someone from the left is branded alt right or whatever it is you idiots call people who disagree with you . I now see why the right is called the right, because it is.
+Aman Arya They are humans,, and this country is full.......... idiot...
Ed Silmon I assume watched the two hour movie? Not in the trailer.
They’ve nailed Sir Bill Cash and Sir Bernard Jenkin. Was the chap in between them Iain Duncan Smith or David Davis?
The establishment isn't happy with us, are they? Wait until March, they'll be screaming like banshees.
Awful Boris Johnson wig
Oh look another middle class white who's always lived in a white British area against brexit...is it Christmas
+Pip Yorkie I'll keep this short as possible. Racism ≠ prejudice. POC and immigrants do not control the levers of power in any english-speaking western nation. Therefore they cannot design a social climate or institutions that oppress causasian-presenting people on a universal scale. Britain is one of the single greatest racist powers in history. Unequivocally. Only Spain, France, the Netherlands, and a few others, compete for most damaging racist legacy. So your feelings are not surprising, they have a lineage, but your bucking of responsibility is an added shame. If you don't want brown people or non-english speakers in your country, you can just say so: "I am a racist and I want to maintain systematic white power in this country and keep them out." Don't skulk around it and say racism is justifiable because it exists on both sides. It does not. That is cowardly. Those people have nothing to hurt you with except their own hands. If they hate white people and British culture that is a prejudice, and frankly a reasonable one. You however have an entire global socio-economic-political matrix oriented to undermine them from the beginning: that is racism. ✌
+Pip Yorkie your point is invalid. Yes racists exist everywhere, so do murderers, thieves and rapists. Doesnt mean we should accept them
The EU is not why Britain has a large non-white population, it has absolutely nothing to do with it! Remember, back in the 1980s, when Britain was notorious as the odd man out, that eccentric oddball little island with a diverse community of non-white peoples? The reason we have so many Pakistanis/Nigerians in Britain is because the British government wanted it that way.
+Aman Arya and it's no difference from racist immigrants in Britain.
Pip Yorkie do you know what an analogy is. I referenced nazis as an extreme analogy for your codified rascism against non whites
Remember when the government wheeled in the US president in an attempt to influence the election?
Blakes you gotta rely on intelligence!
+Aman Arya Why hasn't be provided the evidence? Also, why did they Democrats take back the house in the mid-terms? I'm calling BS.
I remember Obama's appearance. That speech just riled me up fierce lol.
If the 'American Intelligence guys' say so it must be true.
Richard McEllan the American intelligence guys say there is evidence of Russian attempts to influence the election in trumps favour. Whether trump is involved is anyone’s guess
PLEASE somebody tell me what this music is it is driving us insane trying to find it! Our best guess is Mozart but beyond that we are stuck! Please please please!
Possibly a bit late, but the music is “The Thieving Magpie” by Rossini.
brain washing material 🤣🤣
+moviefan jaja, it's literal reverse mental-retardation. Very usually un-preferred so to speak... if one actually realises subversion
Ya, hate when they try to brainwash me with facts. More populist ideologies and bible versus instead, please.
+Tony Tubleta "let it go its not going to hurt you" how the fuck do you know this you numpty? are you a psychic?
oh and good luck braking down my terrible Grammer and understanding what i said 😜
Once we’ve sent 350 million to Eu a week x 52 x 45 years how much is that ....? How do we pay for anything ?
The figure is slightly less. It's about 200 million, which is still a lot. We pay 10 billion a year, which could be spent else where if I'm honest. Funding public services would be nice.
That is pseudo factual. You discount the numerous economic and ethical benefits of the eu... blah blah blah you get it
I think we’ve spent about 900 billion on the Eu and they wanted 39 billion to leave ?? Wtf planet are they onCan someone please check the maths 350000000 x 52 weeks a year x 45 years
MrDivca agree, especially regarding the politicians driving Brexit (Raab resigned because he wasn’t happy with the Brexit deal, which he had negotiated).My point about money from EU to GB was that it’s supposed to be a union, quid pro quo, money is circulated, just like it is in GB, some of the money London produces gets invested in Wales, some of the money Manchester produces is spent in Devon, etc; to just look at ‘all the money GB sends to Brussels (“£350m per week”)’ is simplistic and obtuse.Referendum was badly organised and badly run, a lot of people with a lot at stake didn’t do their part, and we got the result we got; I’m a Spaniard living in the UK since 1998, don’t want Brexit, we got to find the best solution now.
+Ignacio Gonzalez for sure you can find this somewhere in statistics, especially focus on education, reserch, farming. But I assume you trying to make a point that they did not get as many as they pay in. In that case you would need to change the perspective how to look on this. All of this is an investment. GB did not spend this money just likee that and waisted. They make a business and these companies make a money, partially because they are part of EU. Similar with British colonies, we had them and invest money there to make money not just spend them. Or another It is like raising child you pay for few years, once is grownup all family is better of. I agree with the reasons people voted for Brexit, I just see different solution for this. And I accepted 2 years ago that Brexit is going to happen but now when we just about to leave I see how incompetence politicians are. I do not want to drive our country by these people. First we need to have a good leader then we should challenge ourselves. And non of the first page Brexit leader is capable to do this as they run away long time ago when there was lots of work to do. Thay just coming back from time to time to complain again and again .... they should do their job right in first place and listen to the people. Really we need get rid off these people otherwise Brexit or no Brexit they still will be performing bad.
+MrDivca or how much money the EU poured into GB.
It is not how much you spend but how much money you earned during this period of time.
Stop countiing and get your checkbook out. You have bills to pay.
Please can someone do the maths 350,000000 x 52 weeks x 45 years = ?
+Aman Arya I see not benefits in an unstable club. The Euro is one of the most unstable currencies I've ever seen. People trade in dollars.
+Venetian Genoesewarmachine 10 billion a year + 39 billion. EU countries are not happy to fork out more for the EU budget. It's an expensive club.
Simplistic argument. Do a mult8varied analysis of the benefits of the eu
N GP Are we going to save any money ? Lol 😂
N GP I would but I need my calculator and a bottle of whisky
We do send 350 million a week to Eu ?!X 52 x 45 years = ?? A lot of billons
It's about 200 million. 10 billion a year. It's a waste of money.
Simplistic argument that ignores a more complex factual reality of numerous social and economic benefits we get from the eu.
Alan Tracy What the hell have we been doing for 45 years ?350,000000 x 52 x 45 = !?
+Aman Arya In fairness and balance, say someone negative about the EU. One negative of leaving the EU are potential short term economic damage. I would say uncertainty, but businesses and markets thrive off uncertainty.
+iTz Huzzah it's not about hate. I was board and wanted to see what the internet was thinking about brexit. Discourse is good.
+Aman Arya the sheer hate boner you have is astounding, EVERY comment has your reply, its quite sad tbh bud, maybe you should find a new hobby rather than arguing on the internet? Regardless of whether your arguments are correct or not, it can't be healthy.
Propaganda is the exaggeration, then hero is using or demonising of a group in an attempt to persuade. This seems more irreverent than that
If I criticised brexit it would not be propaganda.
Acted by a luvvie. Luvvies need to adopt Syrian adult Male migrants and stfu
Channel 4 making brexit look bad as usual
+MrDivca No I do not because by not wanting the above this is precisely what we wanted so my argument would be that the Remainers didn't know what we wanted despite the Leave camp knowing full well what it was. It is no different than allowing a remain MP to be elected as Prime Minister and expecting her to know what Leaving the EU was all about. In 1997 New Labour said they were no longer the party of Tax. If there ever came a day when Communist or Fascist Parties said they would no longer be authoritarian would you believe them?
+Joseph Handford yes you absolutely right Brexiteers don't want the above but this doesn't mean they knew what they wanted. You may leave work but at this same time must have plan what next, they did not. It is easy to start revolution when you have a clever leader. All Brexit leaders disappears day after referendum. I hope you understand my point.What is going to happen now is that this same bad politicians who couldn't look after their own people once they were in EU, they will look after the people and country when we leave EU. For me that is not a good alternative. This will give them excuses after the Brexit for the all the things that they should provide in the first place regardless from Brexit. It is easy to lose, I want to know what we can gain. They will replace one deal with other deal exactly this same. They do not planning to cut emigration, they just want less people from EU. All the problems still be with us and politicians will not sort them for us because if they could, they would do this in first place long time ago. For me EU membership is just a tool to make things easier. That why I voted to stay. When Brexiteers tell me what they want and how they want to do it then I will tell they knew what they were voting for. It is not the EU it is the politicians who let us down.
+MrDivca Cameron said a week before the referendum that if we vote to leave we will lose access to the Single Market, the Customs Union, Freedom of Movement, and the European Court of Justice for the sake of Sovereignty. The key issue is Sovereignty because you can't withdraw from the other institutions without it, therefore, everyone who voted to Leave the EU first and foremost voted for Sovereignty. Everyone knew that we would leave the other institutions but, like any political party when we decide who to vote for,e.g. for some people leaving the Single Market was more important than Freedom of Movement because small businesses have suffered and gone out of business because the regulations (on every product under the sun) has meant having to destroy what didn't conform to the EU (because they don't like competition and progress) and if they couldn't afford to replace said stock they couldn't continue and compete with the big multinationals. So Yes, we knew precisely what we were voting for. The Remainers who knew what they were voting for are the middle class elite, the media, the politicians, actors, multinational business leaders (who all have glorified salaries), the section of unemployed who don't want to work (because the government are giving them enough benefits to survive on) and the migrants who come here (earning 10 times more than they do at home with a 20% top up by the government) and the few remaining supporters who have been brainwashed by the elite. It's called Marxism!
Probably because it is bad.
+Christopher Sanderson yes that is my point
The difference between the backing music on British C4 and American HBO is actually amazing
the get the big guns out now to force a second ref.
It's pitty that shows like this is being glorified even before the real consequences of the original event fully materialise.
It is a retrospective so don’t worry about that. But if your not careful you might just Learn something
It's offering an explanation of how we got to this current stage - something which very few people understand. You're also judging it before you've seen it, which is just as bad.
This is gonna paint Cummings for the fucking psychopath he really is. Fictional is better because you can't get sued lol
Is Boris at 0:48, the guy who played Prince Harry in The Windsor's?
Ok did I just see Sherlock's turn of "being Jim Moriarty" for the exact background music in Sherlock S02E03 when stealing the crown jewels❤️🔥
Did you not watch it, it was bascially all about Cambridge Analytica and how evil they were for giving people the other side of the story through oh so evil facebook adds that magically brainwashed people to vote to leave, remainers just cant admit they lost because they are wrong.
Brexit won the vote by propaganda. Just as politicians win elections.
Also known as an argument.
I honestly thought this was a parody for the first 30 seconds.
It's cause of the music.
proparody it is Sir.
it probably went down like this tbf
Jesus christ Bias
bias towards Jesus is called idiocy. Bias towards brexit is called unproved faith
Who would of thought champagne socialists calling all the poorer in society idiots who don't deserve to have their votes counted." champagne socialists hate the views of the poor and what they stand for, they just hate the rich more " George Orwell, brexit shows its true they do hate the poor ⚠️
Gazza in what way is my disproving of brexit socialism. I dislike the glorification of stupidity and disregarding of fact. I believe empirically that leaving the eu is not good for the economy. Brexit was always about immigration. Most brexiters deny it with thinly veiled arguments but really brexit is about the blam8ng of economic hardship on immigrants, which I am sceptical of
+Gazza thought you might be interested in what I had to say to Aman Arya. Don't try that Marxist trick by making out this is about left and right, Gazza quite clearly pointed out that the Far Right and Far Left are as bad as each other. What Marxism is about is control of the state for power and greed which has in history always been favourable to the middle classes. This is no longer about left and right this is a class war. Another example from Animal Farm which can be applied to a number of areas affected by the EU and what's left of Westminster, “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” What is appalling is that this quote can even be applied to every child in the UK today, "All children must be taught to an equal standard (get rid of Grammars, destroy the best education system in the world and bring in a system where only the section of the exam is taught), but some Children (Public School, where they are still taught the full syllabus for all subjects and still taught to an O level standard) are more equal than others."
+Aman Arya Don't try that Marxist trick by making out this is about left and right, Gazza quite clearly pointed out that the Far Right and Far Left are as bad as each other. What Marxism is about is control of the state for power and greed which has in history always been favourable to the middle classes. This is no longer about left and right this is a class war. Another example from Animal Farm which can be applied to a number of areas affected by the EU and what's left of Westminster, “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” What is appalling is that this quote can even be applied to every child in the UK today, "All children must be taught to an equal standard (get rid of Grammars, destroy the best education system in the world and bring in a system where only the section of the exam is taught), but some Children (Public School, where they are still taught the full syllabus for all subjects and still taught to an O level standard) are more equal than others."
Aman Arya I'm all for free speech and I don't want to impose my views onto anyone at all, but I do expect my vote to be listened to in a democratic country especially after all MPs from all sides decided on the rules before the vote was taken. You do realise that politics will never be the same again in our lifetime don't you 🤔 the party system has collapsed because it's MPs ( from all parties ) have been shown to be so far out of touch with the British citizens, it is plain for us all to see that the only way of fixing it is another election to remove the MPs who are ignoring the electors votes.If you stop brexit it doesn't matter because the MPs have lost the trust of the voters and payback time will come at the next general election.( remember 408 constituencies voted for brexit and only 242 voted remain so those 408 had better get the p45s ready )
Aman Arya and there you have it at last, champagne socialism is about totalitarian control of the people, it hates the views of the people they pretend to serve because they want POWER at all costs and that's what the animal farm is about. Orwell was a champagne socialist himself and he wrote the truth that should not be spoken in his later books. He fought against fascism for the communists in the Spanish war and the communists ended up worse than what was there before and that is the animal farm book in a nutshell.What you disagree with is that I should be able to burst your bubble and show what YOU and other champagne socialists are prepared to do to get your way over the democratic will of the people in the uk, the sheep in the animal farm say anything to keep their place in society ( same as the actors, celebs, newsreaders, MPs of all parties )You have turned into the fascists you hate so much ⚠️
This is going to bring out all the "no collusion" fans I expect
Aman Arya References to Russian collusion is a paranoid view of people who voted Brexit. We know very well that paranoia leads to isolation and that is what Brexit wants; isolating itself from EU.
Trump and Brexit are symptomatic of the same disease ailing these countries.
+Richard McEllan donald trump might not have physically colluded but to say he had nothing to do with many members of his presidential campaign and most of his children doing so is brain-meltingly naive especially given his public comments around the time of some of the more obvious collusion occurances and whether anything was agreed and actioned in all of those documented with proper evidence meetings with the various actual russian/russian proxies is irrelevant as simply to go to the meetings is/was illegal and their only defence is going to be ignorance but in trumps words "they're the best people!" so what that equates to in any of his staffing choices as president doesn't equate to much in the eyes of many. I stand by my initial pessimistic/sarcastic comment and we will all see what tumbles out of the FBI woodwork fairly soon so we hopefully no longer need to have pointless discussions like this anymore.
+Aman Arya We might as well not pay attention to the russia sized elephant in the room so I'm going to say I have no idea lmao?
ORANGEMANBAD.and you mean the people waiting for EVIDENCE of collusion, before claiming collusion?anyway, i'm sure you will accept the result of meuler's official investigation, right? :)
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4houghts what’s wrong with that. They are just making an argument
Is it another project fear thing?
+R Mason true, same and I'm actually from southend... no I'm not I'm from manchester but all the same....
Ed Silmon Agreed. Happy new year seems a little out of place but we can live in hope. Wishes go out to you and all.
+R Mason when/if/when brexit happens maybe we can just snap off scotland and northern ireland and just swap them around as I don't think the scots want to hang about for smalltalk afterwards. if you think it's bad now, the england scotland border is going to be another bag of dicks for us all to eat, potentially forever... and I meant to say UK but I just don't know wtf we are anymore sometimes
Ed Silmon Interestingly some European Countries still refer to this small island as 'Great Britain'. Will they have to find a new name? The United Kingdom is certainly a misnomer.
This looks amazing 😍
Theresa May has already said last week, it would actually work out to be an extra, 394 million... So Nigel Farage was not far off.
Martin Reece Does anyone still believe what she says? She speaks with such conviction....
Martin Reece a week ? 394 million a week a week a weeeek
+Ross Leeson it was in the press, she said it during a radio interview on LBC
She didn't say that, that would've been in the press. Got a link?
Martin Reece that should make up for the losses in the stock market with a bit left over to up mp wages by another 10% leaving the NHS with crumbs again and hundreds of half finished projects in Europe underfunded. Gr8! I'm just glad I get a blue passport though. I missed out the first time round 😞
I can see the broadcast of this getting postponed for a few weeks because Channel 4 won't get the projected viewing figures they expected.
Ed Silmon yep, I watched it last night
was it on? I only just read the date now...
OMG he finally has a bald spot