Max's Tier List Rant (2019 Edition)

  • Published on May 15, 2019
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Comments • 2 944

  • Stick
    Stick 6 days ago +1

    Being a better player is 9-1 matchup to playing a better character.

    • Stick
      Stick 18 hours ago

      That's right. There has to be a few exceptions here and there.

    • J Luns
      J Luns Day ago

      Mvc2 roll

  • The Nikkerman
    The Nikkerman 6 days ago

    Axe won smash summit with pikachu so max is 100% right

  • Nat Roberts
    Nat Roberts 13 days ago

    Lmfao I’m weak people do play scorpion dumb as fuck I’ve destroyed scorpions just punishing that teleport

  • JJ A
    JJ A 14 days ago

    This is definitely one of my favorite videos from Max, thank you.

  • Kitty Winters
    Kitty Winters 18 days ago

    My criteria is simple.
    how gay am I for said character? thats how likely i’ll play them.

  • THAvidinc.
    THAvidinc. 22 days ago

    I love that video of the USFIV tournament pools where Alex Valle bodied Bonchan's Sagat with Hugo, like the most one sided match up in the game and he wrecked it

  • Ronald Smith
    Ronald Smith 23 days ago

    This is braindead. Are you pretending that some characters aren’t blatantly easier than others??

  • Gg Master Guilty Gear
    Gg Master Guilty Gear 26 days ago

    Whatever happened to character loyalty?
    "Bitch, I'm loyal to the tier list. Fukk otta heer wit dat week as shiit!"

  • clunt westwood
    clunt westwood 27 days ago

    I just play charachters that i like

  • Ratsuterra48
    Ratsuterra48 27 days ago +2

    No homo, but stuff like this is why I love watching this man

  • Biagio Iovine
    Biagio Iovine 28 days ago

    Check out SonicFox’s tier list, he proves a lot of good points that are worth checking out.

  • Da Demon Monkey
    Da Demon Monkey 28 days ago

    I follow some words you said awhile ago to heart and it has let me be better at fighting games and be all around a better gamer. Max, you said "It's not about get gud, it's about look gud" and ill always follow that philosophy. Rock on dood

  • Benny Boi
    Benny Boi 28 days ago

    1: Is the character Johnny Cage? 2: See 1.

  • AleC
    AleC 29 days ago +1

    Wow it's 2019, fighting games have been getting bigger and bigger for quite some time now and yet this stuff still needs to be explained time and time again?

  • xzMango5
    xzMango5 29 days ago

    Finally someone let’s the idiots know what tier lists really mean

  • Чарли Фокс
    Чарли Фокс 29 days ago +1

    I like Kano and his moveset, but I feel like I should play as Geras or Erron, to win online matches...

  • Mature942
    Mature942 29 days ago

    Tier list don’t mean shit. Look at gen from street fighter iv the worst character in the game won evo I believe.

  • SaviorGabriel
    SaviorGabriel Month ago

    I can't imagine why someone would want to play as a character that the developers went well out of their way to put into the game.

  • Thomas Knight
    Thomas Knight Month ago +1

    The whole point is that the lower tier characters pale in comparison to the higher tier characters in this game whether it's at a tournament or in casual play.

  • Insanepyro
    Insanepyro Month ago

    Please, it’s been weeks since I’ve seen somebody other than scorpion, sub zero, or geras. Send help. If my pleas aren’t seen before I’m crushing blowed to death, main shao kahn in my honor.

  • MadGhost
    MadGhost Month ago +1

    Tiers R 4 Queers baby 😎

    • JV Shotta
      JV Shotta Month ago

      I was going to type the same thing. Max should play that video the next time anyone asks him about tiers. lol

  • Jaydeep Chakravarty

    I have an old pc with umķ3 & mk4 installed which means i don't have any gaming console or gaming pc and hence no MK 11! I simply accept what I watch in youtube. In fact thats why I watch youtube. Agree with u man.

  • Tiger Xl
    Tiger Xl Month ago +1

    lol "tier list dont matter" Geras wins combo breaker Dood says "no guys he is not top tier that means nothing, a character cant be better than another thats impossible. " Ok Dood play kotal Kanh against geras and then say stupid garbage like tier list and matchups dont matter. What a joke this guy is

  • supersamschwartz
    supersamschwartz Month ago +1

    Easily one of the best rants in fighting game history

  • Fishfins
    Fishfins Month ago

    65% win rate online with D'vorah. She's "bad" and I'm just playing her to have fun and see what I can pull off.

  • Yo.boi_ Hood619
    Yo.boi_ Hood619 Month ago

    Thank you Max. I hate these ppl that think just because a character is low tier? It depends on who’s on the sticks playing.

  • Franck420Rock
    Franck420Rock Month ago

    I agree so much with this!

  • Haikal Afiq
    Haikal Afiq Month ago

    Honeybee in injustice 2 as flash. Still sad he lost to dragon

  • Ben Sanders
    Ben Sanders Month ago

    Moral of the story: all characters are created to be usable. Dont let your need to win block you from enjoying more than "top tier" characters.

  • Matt Luxton
    Matt Luxton Month ago

    Big facts Max. The TWT champion was a Panda main who is pretty much regarded by the community as the worst character. And when going into matchups against the better Korean tekken players, he tried characters he thought had a better chance.. then lose. He ended up winning by sticking to his low tier panda

  • Gabi Taso
    Gabi Taso Month ago

    Why is this guy always angry in his videos? You need to chill dude

  • Stuart F
    Stuart F Month ago +1

    Think a good example of what Max is referring to is that person who won the Tekken world cup. He used Panda who was considered the lowest tier but he showed everyone was wrong and beat the doubters.

    Any character can be good in the right hands regardless of what the tier lists say.

    • JV Shotta
      JV Shotta Month ago

      Another example would be that guy (I forgot his name) who plays yoshi in smash bros. melee. Yoshi was considered low tier before he showed up and showed them what yoshi could do.

  • Hunter Churchill
    Hunter Churchill Month ago

    I never listen to tier lists.... I will still crush people as bowser in smash

  • Yoshikage Kira
    Yoshikage Kira Month ago

    I never think I’m gonna lose to a scorpion but I somehow do anyway

  • Lady Aphelion
    Lady Aphelion Month ago

    This makes me feel a lot better about putting time into a couple of characters that people call trash. I main Kabal, but heavily use/ am trying to learn Kotal and Cetrion. I loved Kotal since he was introduced and just adore Cetrions look and powers. She looks awesome to me and that was my basis for learning her rofl.

  • Jesus MLG
    Jesus MLG Month ago

    NRS is just really bad at balancing their characters. Few are just too OP while some have 4-6 losing match-ups. Most chars suck and NRS refuse to buff low tier characters to level the playing field.

  • Jesus MLG
    Jesus MLG Month ago

    But some characters really need buffs because they are not viable in pro play at all. That's what tier list is for. To warn ppl not to waste their time on mastering characters that suck major dick until they get patched so you can learn to play A-tier characters without having to deal with some BS match-ups. Seriously, some characters have really bad normals and a vulnerable gaps in between strings which already put you in a major disadvantage against characters with faster and more reliable footsie tool. There's a reason why top tier characters win more tournaments than anyone else in the lower tier.

  • Russell Kim
    Russell Kim Month ago

    I just play to whoop all my friends..had all my friends come over yesterday, control never left my hands once until they begged me to give someone else cause no one could take me out

  • wavvy87oww
    wavvy87oww Month ago

    I’ve had more success playing with Frost then playing with Geras. Frost just fits my play style and I just personally enjoy using her

  • Sai1523
    Sai1523 Month ago

    This only applies to fight games. In mobas it is completely true. There are legit hard counters and skill match ups. A higher tier will be eons above the rest and there is legitimately no reason to pick someone who does what the high tiers do worse. If you take the worse pick in a competitive scene you’re trolling.

  • Lancelot
    Lancelot Month ago

    I gravitate to how the character looks and then I choose a character I want to play as. 🐱🦄🐲

  • Howard Wilson
    Howard Wilson Month ago

    Maybe not care about "official" lists from ordinary fucking people that have nothing to do with the game.

  • Rory Taylor
    Rory Taylor Month ago

    GG, Max. You burn that straw man. You burn it down to the ground.

  • Guillermo Higueros
    Guillermo Higueros Month ago

    Meanwhile the smash list is the same as smash four and has almost all third parties in the top

  • Perry Falzon
    Perry Falzon Month ago

    Completely agree! So many people just gravitate to "high tier" characters, having to fight Scorpion, Sonya and Erron Blacks way too often.

  • zero end
    zero end Month ago

    Lythero mvc3
    Phoenix wright on point

  • Blackest Yang
    Blackest Yang Month ago

    UnderdawgGaming would like to know your location

  • SuperScopeRawks
    SuperScopeRawks Month ago

    Tier lists are good for understanding what's popular and what's beating the average player: the current meta.

  • mariotaz
    mariotaz Month ago

    I play Little Mac....but it’s fact he is shit.

  • King Torgue
    King Torgue Month ago

    The shade at jwong tho lmfao

  • Jrot24
    Jrot24 Month ago

    I agree with you almost 100% except for the bit on competing. I compete very casually and I think it's hella fun. Really unique opportunity to play some of the best as a casual. Don't want to discourage other casual folks from signing up for a tournament, it's something really special

  • Mocha Joe
    Mocha Joe Month ago

    I really couldn't care less about tier lists. I've beaten plenty high tier characters with low tier characters. I believe it's more on the players skill than the characters tools.

  • CheddarBob
    CheddarBob Month ago

    Ive been playing Fighting Games since the 90s when arcades were big in the US and this might be the most HONEST rant Ive seen in awhile! Good Shit Max

  • Macho Mane
    Macho Mane Month ago

    Max is SO salty in this one LOL

  • IRenegadEEEEE
    IRenegadEEEEE Month ago +1

    I’m extremely confused. Why is Max talking about matchups with tier lists? Since when is that how tier lists work? Low tier characters can have favorable matchups vs high tier characters. That’s not the point of a tier list at all.

  • Jacques Anderson
    Jacques Anderson Month ago

    If there was ever a vid to show how much I agree it would be m.bison saying "YES! YES!" I agree completely

  • Kevin Rivera
    Kevin Rivera Month ago

    I always felt it was a matter of playing who you enjoy unless you're playing to win at top level. In Smash I dropped Falco because part of what hurts his placement on the tier list is inconsistent hitboxes. Ganon on the other hand arguably has worse weaknesses, but I'm okay with them and therefore I'm okay with him. I think if you wanna play a low or mid tier you just need to ask yourself if you're still gonna have fun, even when your character gets exploited.

  • Big Guy
    Big Guy Month ago

    Yes but some characters aren’t nearly as punishable and are way safer on their strings and moves, than others. I think they should make all equal so then it rides on the better player to win.

  • ExSpesnaz GRU
    ExSpesnaz GRU Month ago

    Everyone quick, Point and blame Reo cause he made the MK11 tier list LUL

  • Prince Price
    Prince Price Month ago

    Hey quick question have you by any chance know where or came across Liu Kang's young justice attire? In the Krypt?

  • Gastro_ 91
    Gastro_ 91 Month ago

    i have one thing too say: the guy who beat everyone with the "worst" character (panda) in a Tekkken 7 tournament, so tier lists is dumb. Fighting games is just git gud by playing the game

  • Knight Raiden
    Knight Raiden Month ago +1

    Couldn’t say it better myself. Especially the bit about Scorpion mains was too true. Lord knows how many Scorpion mains I ran into doing that same teleport move back in MK X, and history repeats itself with MK11. You hate to see it lol

  • Marz
    Marz Month ago

    9:40 that's some serious shade on Leffen.

  • Borne phoenix
    Borne phoenix Month ago

    lets be serious... zoning people as cetrion is the top tier

  • DNice5865
    DNice5865 Month ago

    A sequel for the game you're playing will be released before matchup data in said game will make a notable difference in a match. That's how much skill you'd have to develop. That's how much in game studying you'd have to do.
    Edit: I'm a scorpion main, but rarely do I feel the need to switch from Shao Khan (whom I play with now) to scorpion because a guy is kicking my ass too hard. Literally 1 out of 25 matches.

  • Amanda Fenn
    Amanda Fenn Month ago

    Sub zero scorpion and noob saibot, along with cassie cage and liu kang are tge top tier in my opinion

  • SwaggyD
    SwaggyD Month ago

    I’ve always wandered how normal players would perceive low tier characters without tier lists

  • trodat07
    trodat07 Month ago

    I picked ZBrush and aced it on the first try, now I'm an awesome artist. I still suck at fighting games though.

  • Oscar Roberts
    Oscar Roberts Month ago +1

    I feel as though Max is the TheXvid equivalent of Keanu Reeves. Just me??

  • Eduardo Lobato
    Eduardo Lobato Month ago

    Get a character you feel comfortable with, that you can control 100% and know all combos, then face them against different match-ups and learn how to respond to each one. That is the way of becoming a competitive player, not by watching some tier list.

  • Matthew Elam
    Matthew Elam Month ago

    Went in thinking I was maining Erron like last game, find myself maining Skarlet despite her being, like, C-tier or so while Erron is S-tier. Play what fits you tbh.

  • Truth Be told
    Truth Be told Month ago

    Completely agree. Apparently Kano is "low tier" but I've only used him online and have a 35 wins and 11 losses, and only ever lost to scorpion on one occasion .

  • Chauncey Vanderpool

    If you wanna get better have fun playing the game because it's a game. When your having fun you learn from your mistakes don't do it for the money do it for fun.

  • Nicolas Pucheta
    Nicolas Pucheta Month ago

    Max, who are your favorite characters to play? You seem to dabble quite a bit with everyone, but who do you enjoy most?
    I’m having a lot of fun with Baraka, Geras, Noob, Scorp, and Sub.
    At this point I just cycle between those.

  • Chaoxide
    Chaoxide Month ago

    Literally a Shao Khan won a tournament finals against a "top"tier aka sub zero. Tier lists shouldnt even be taken that seriously this early into a game, and should always be taken with a grain of salt for if you know a character any character can be viable depending how you use them, sure some characters have worse times against other characters but that doesnt mean they will lose.

  • Joey Burke
    Joey Burke Month ago

    I must be an extremely casual player, because I understood almost nothing that was being said in that rant. It was entertaining though. I think I'll just continue to play my games for the simple enjoyment factor. People are taking these games waaaay too seriously.

  • homicidal hummus
    homicidal hummus Month ago

    I'm glad someone's finnnally saying all this. Also thanks for showing me that frost can go into a low from 22, I didn't know that was a thing so that's nice

  • Npc #117
    Npc #117 Month ago

    I genuinely didn’t know that people used tier lists as hard fact. I’ve always used them to see who generally is preforming better, and if I like the characters in the higher tiers I’ll try them out first. Learn the max punish combos, then learn spacing and judge if I like them or not.

  • Hunter Thomas
    Hunter Thomas Month ago

    Its based on playrate not match ups

  • Seth Grave
    Seth Grave Month ago

    I think the dumbest part about Tier lists is how each fighting game player with even a small twitch following will put one out the second a new fighting game comes out as if it means something, then you realise they're all doing it and all their tier lists are either copied from each other or completely different to the point they become pointless and are just to capitalise on the hype and idiots who buy into that garbage. This shit is so toxic and was disgusting around the time on the latest smash and dragon ball figtherz. There are so many good moments in fighting game history where people have won with characters considered low tier. If you're using a character that is considered the best to give you the upper hand then you're essentially trying to cover up for the fact you're awful at the game and need a massive crutch.

  • Lance Delorme
    Lance Delorme Month ago

    I 100,000,000,000% agree. There is no way some one has made a fully accurate tier list. Hell I think all the characters are good and you and get beat by any single one of them in this game. It's just like every other Mortal Kombat, nothing has changed, it's all about character mastery and grinding! You have to play, then play some more, and then play a shit ton more after that. It's about who has put the most time and actual effort into the game with whichever character then they are going to kick ass! Screw a tier list!

  • Robert Dukarm
    Robert Dukarm Month ago +1

    I love fighting Scorpion too. 90% of them use meter burn teleport every time it's available.

    • Timothy Willox
      Timothy Willox Month ago

      They've been doing it since 2011, no reason to stop now

    JDEADPOOL23 Month ago

    I agree with some things you said, I disagree with a few, you could have worded things better but overall I agree. Tier lists are extremely overrated.

  • tankata2
    tankata2 Month ago

    I like to play erron black

  • OseiTheWarriors
    OseiTheWarriors Month ago

    Most of the lists coming out are awful. However, Sajam, Rooflemonger, and TrueUnderDawg's lists actually provide actual info for their placings then you get a bunch of lists like HoneyBee's...

  • Scrappy Mcdougal
    Scrappy Mcdougal Month ago

    Wheres the damn tier list ;) but really please

  • Musica axax
    Musica axax Month ago

    What do you think about balance Max ? I think Geras has ridiculously op krushing blows and Scorpion has almost useless krushing blows especially 212 krushing blow. Raiden projectiles seems weak. He needs better zoning tool imo. He already lacks kombo. Sub Zero is very good but i'm not sure he is op or not.

  • J L M D
    J L M D Month ago

    We get it frost is your new best girl. Its only natural to defend her

  • Christopher Labedzski

    All players SHOULD be useing the meta in games because that increases the chance if winning, I win more that way myself l why do you think ranked battles players use them, also that's why nerfs in games exists. Because some things in the meta are op, therefore op meta wins games

  • Paterson Prado
    Paterson Prado Month ago +2

    "Numbers don't always make sense, Mason"


  • 3rdeye Brand
    3rdeye Brand Month ago

    Frost design looks so fantastic and i'd like to learn her play style....but with
    Geras tho, i get more wins and easier to pull off victories ...oh well guess i'd never know.... (noobs reading tier list)

  • evilgiraffe123
    evilgiraffe123 Month ago

    The biggest use of a tier list for casual are not to make a choice and think you will win but to see who might be a good use to devote your time to.

  • nikos731
    nikos731 Month ago

    "How many times have you seen someone in a tournament against someone who is doing very well and then the person on the receiving end is like "Fuck, this isn't working. I'm going to switch characters to a character that is higher tier, a character that wins this mu"."?

    SonicFox, MKX Grand Finals in EVO 2016. He had to change from Erron Black to the ridiculus OP Acidic Alien to defeat TekkenMaster's Kotal Khan.

  • Luis Bernard
    Luis Bernard Month ago

    Ive always mained D'vorah regardless on where she's placed on peoples tier list cause I dont care. Its fun to see a so call low tier beat the crap out of those so called top tier and get private messages that I suck. Oh good ol MK

  • Revy [Two Hands]
    Revy [Two Hands] Month ago

    I actually like to read/listen to tier lists for fighters for just info in my views.
    I'm a Jin main in Tekken and I've continued to play him even when he got shot down all the way to the bottom in Tekken 5 coming off his Tekken 4 god powers.
    I play characters that usually interest me over a high tier list character.

  • Thanos
    Thanos Month ago

    I picked up Geras day one. I don't regret because he's fun as shit to play. Unfortunately that makes me look like a tier whore to 99% of players online

  • Victor the Kid
    Victor the Kid Month ago

    Thank God I barely care about tierlists.

  • Hero's Shade
    Hero's Shade Month ago

    Sad that Max has to explain this shit again lol

  • Strife Fresh
    Strife Fresh Month ago

    Never ever in my life ever thought about a tier list. Never will depend on it either. I'm a true fighting gamer from the ❤️

  • DreamStepper
    DreamStepper Month ago

    I instantly go for the coolest looking character and try to make it work, but I still look up the tiers just to get a generally idea of how characters perform.