Max's Tier List Rant (2019 Edition)

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  • Published on May 15, 2019
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  • JTR35
    JTR35 2 days ago

    I've never used a tier list to pick a character, but it's interesting to know the theoretical maximum potential of your character -- and how things shift with balance patches.
    I think the best analogy is performance specs on cars, and Nurburgring lap times set by professional drivers. 99% of drivers don't have the skill to realize that potential but it's data on what's possible.

  • Jofrid aarsvold folkedal

    I fucking love Cetrion, not my main main but still, Subs, Noob Johnny and Cetrion are fun af.

  • TrojanSalesmen
    TrojanSalesmen Month ago

    Rangchu would like to have a word with a lot of yall lol

  • Ryu Kusanagi
    Ryu Kusanagi Month ago

    everytime I watch a Video about Tier Lists, I watch this Video immediatly after xD

  • Dawildehoers
    Dawildehoers Month ago

    I think a tier-list is useless on it's own, but watching top players explain their tier-lists is a valuable learning tool, especially at low-mid level. Knowing that shiek is the fourth best character in melee isn't helpful, but knowing that shiek is good because of her deadly edgeguarding teaches me thar edgeguarding is really good, therefore I should learn it.

  • Poisndart
    Poisndart 2 months ago

    @9:14 I'm proud to be one of the few that does that. During the Kombat League, I fought against an Erron Black player while I'm as Liu Kang and I've beaten him, then he switches over to Geras, thinking he'll have a better chance to beat me. What happens next? I won on that too, and I've even dealt about lots of Scorpions and beaten most of them too. X3

  • BLVCK
    BLVCK 2 months ago

    I'm completely guilty of this
    When SFV just came out my main was Nash and I played him for a long time
    I decided to get another main so I looked into the tier list,that was a year or two after the release I believe
    I picked up M.Bison and let me tell you,I couldn't play him at all
    After that experience I immediately changed my ways,I never looked at a tier list again

  • Gregory Aguon
    Gregory Aguon 2 months ago

    For me its all about character pride. If subzero was considered the worst of the roster does that mean I'm not using him? Hell naw I'll make him seem dangerous by studying all his strengths and weaknesses and then ultimately studying all the other characters strengths and weaknesses. I'm really looking forward to playing Devora when I get to her on MY list because it seems like a really cool challenge because she seems to be the weakest link but that dont mean shii to skilled players AMD obviously professional gamers.

  • Yurka Maku
    Yurka Maku 2 months ago

    Max you could literally replace the fighter stuff with MMO classes, and you got fuckin MMO class tier list rant.

  • The Kai
    The Kai 2 months ago

    Tier lists don't matter unless you are playing something as unbalanced as Melee. Low tier characters are often not even bad characters, they just fill in a more niche role and its up to you as the player to make the opponet play your game. For any good fighting game the better player always wins. Sure some games are not very balanced but its up to you as the player to get good.

  • Stick
    Stick 3 months ago +1

    Being a better player is 9-1 matchup to playing a better character.

    • Stick
      Stick 3 months ago

      That's right. There has to be a few exceptions here and there.

    • J Luns
      J Luns 3 months ago

      Mvc2 roll

  • The Nikkerman
    The Nikkerman 3 months ago

    Axe won smash summit with pikachu so max is 100% right

  • Nat Roberts
    Nat Roberts 3 months ago +1

    Lmfao I’m weak people do play scorpion dumb as fuck I’ve destroyed scorpions just punishing that teleport

  • JJ A
    JJ A 3 months ago +2

    This is definitely one of my favorite videos from Max, thank you.

  • cum dragon
    cum dragon 3 months ago +2

    My criteria is simple.
    how gay am I for said character? thats how likely i’ll play them.

  • THAvidinc.
    THAvidinc. 3 months ago

    I love that video of the USFIV tournament pools where Alex Valle bodied Bonchan's Sagat with Hugo, like the most one sided match up in the game and he wrecked it

  • Ronald Smith
    Ronald Smith 3 months ago

    This is braindead. Are you pretending that some characters aren’t blatantly easier than others??

  • Gg Master Guilty Gear
    Gg Master Guilty Gear 3 months ago

    Whatever happened to character loyalty?
    "Bitch, I'm loyal to the tier list. Fukk otta heer wit dat week as shiit!"

  • clunt westwood
    clunt westwood 3 months ago

    I just play charachters that i like

  • Ratsuterra48
    Ratsuterra48 3 months ago +2

    No homo, but stuff like this is why I love watching this man

  • Biagio Iovine
    Biagio Iovine 3 months ago

    Check out SonicFox’s tier list, he proves a lot of good points that are worth checking out.

  • Da Demon Monkey
    Da Demon Monkey 3 months ago

    I follow some words you said awhile ago to heart and it has let me be better at fighting games and be all around a better gamer. Max, you said "It's not about get gud, it's about look gud" and ill always follow that philosophy. Rock on dood

  • Benny Boi
    Benny Boi 3 months ago

    1: Is the character Johnny Cage? 2: See 1.

  • AleC
    AleC 3 months ago +1

    Wow it's 2019, fighting games have been getting bigger and bigger for quite some time now and yet this stuff still needs to be explained time and time again?

  • Чарли Фокс
    Чарли Фокс 3 months ago +1

    I like Kano and his moveset, but I feel like I should play as Geras or Erron, to win online matches...

  • Mature942
    Mature942 4 months ago

    Tier list don’t mean shit. Look at gen from street fighter iv the worst character in the game won evo I believe.

  • SaviorGabriel
    SaviorGabriel 4 months ago

    I can't imagine why someone would want to play as a character that the developers went well out of their way to put into the game.

  • Thomas Knight
    Thomas Knight 4 months ago +1

    The whole point is that the lower tier characters pale in comparison to the higher tier characters in this game whether it's at a tournament or in casual play.

  • Insanepyro
    Insanepyro 4 months ago +1

    Please, it’s been weeks since I’ve seen somebody other than scorpion, sub zero, or geras. Send help. If my pleas aren’t seen before I’m crushing blowed to death, main shao kahn in my honor.

  • MadGhost
    MadGhost 4 months ago +1

    Tiers R 4 Queers baby 😎

    • JV Shotta
      JV Shotta 4 months ago

      I was going to type the same thing. Max should play that video the next time anyone asks him about tiers. lol

  • Jaydeep Chakravarty
    Jaydeep Chakravarty 4 months ago

    I have an old pc with umķ3 & mk4 installed which means i don't have any gaming console or gaming pc and hence no MK 11! I simply accept what I watch in youtube. In fact thats why I watch youtube. Agree with u man.

  • Tiger Xl
    Tiger Xl 4 months ago +1

    lol "tier list dont matter" Geras wins combo breaker Dood says "no guys he is not top tier that means nothing, a character cant be better than another thats impossible. " Ok Dood play kotal Kanh against geras and then say stupid garbage like tier list and matchups dont matter. What a joke this guy is

  • supersamschwartz
    supersamschwartz 4 months ago +1

    Easily one of the best rants in fighting game history

  • Fishfins
    Fishfins 4 months ago

    65% win rate online with D'vorah. She's "bad" and I'm just playing her to have fun and see what I can pull off.

  • Yo.boi_ Hood619
    Yo.boi_ Hood619 4 months ago

    Thank you Max. I hate these ppl that think just because a character is low tier? It depends on who’s on the sticks playing.

  • Franck420Rock
    Franck420Rock 4 months ago

    I agree so much with this!

  • Haikal Afiq
    Haikal Afiq 4 months ago

    Honeybee in injustice 2 as flash. Still sad he lost to dragon

  • Ben Sanders
    Ben Sanders 4 months ago

    Moral of the story: all characters are created to be usable. Dont let your need to win block you from enjoying more than "top tier" characters.

  • Matt Luxton
    Matt Luxton 4 months ago

    Big facts Max. The TWT champion was a Panda main who is pretty much regarded by the community as the worst character. And when going into matchups against the better Korean tekken players, he tried characters he thought had a better chance.. then lose. He ended up winning by sticking to his low tier panda

  • Gabi Taso
    Gabi Taso 4 months ago

    Why is this guy always angry in his videos? You need to chill dude

  • Stuart F
    Stuart F 4 months ago +1

    Think a good example of what Max is referring to is that person who won the Tekken world cup. He used Panda who was considered the lowest tier but he showed everyone was wrong and beat the doubters.

    Any character can be good in the right hands regardless of what the tier lists say.

    • JV Shotta
      JV Shotta 4 months ago

      Another example would be that guy (I forgot his name) who plays yoshi in smash bros. melee. Yoshi was considered low tier before he showed up and showed them what yoshi could do.

  • Hunter Churchill
    Hunter Churchill 4 months ago

    I never listen to tier lists.... I will still crush people as bowser in smash

  • Yoshikage Kira
    Yoshikage Kira 4 months ago

    I never think I’m gonna lose to a scorpion but I somehow do anyway

  • Lady Aphelion
    Lady Aphelion 4 months ago

    This makes me feel a lot better about putting time into a couple of characters that people call trash. I main Kabal, but heavily use/ am trying to learn Kotal and Cetrion. I loved Kotal since he was introduced and just adore Cetrions look and powers. She looks awesome to me and that was my basis for learning her rofl.

  • Jesus MLG
    Jesus MLG 4 months ago

    NRS is just really bad at balancing their characters. Few are just too OP while some have 4-6 losing match-ups. Most chars suck and NRS refuse to buff low tier characters to level the playing field.

  • Jesus MLG
    Jesus MLG 4 months ago

    But some characters really need buffs because they are not viable in pro play at all. That's what tier list is for. To warn ppl not to waste their time on mastering characters that suck major dick until they get patched so you can learn to play A-tier characters without having to deal with some BS match-ups. Seriously, some characters have really bad normals and a vulnerable gaps in between strings which already put you in a major disadvantage against characters with faster and more reliable footsie tool. There's a reason why top tier characters win more tournaments than anyone else in the lower tier.

  • Russell Kim
    Russell Kim 4 months ago

    I just play to whoop all my friends..had all my friends come over yesterday, control never left my hands once until they begged me to give someone else cause no one could take me out

  • wavvy87oww
    wavvy87oww 4 months ago

    I’ve had more success playing with Frost then playing with Geras. Frost just fits my play style and I just personally enjoy using her

  • Sai1523
    Sai1523 4 months ago

    This only applies to fight games. In mobas it is completely true. There are legit hard counters and skill match ups. A higher tier will be eons above the rest and there is legitimately no reason to pick someone who does what the high tiers do worse. If you take the worse pick in a competitive scene you’re trolling.

  • Lancelot
    Lancelot 4 months ago

    I gravitate to how the character looks and then I choose a character I want to play as. 🐱🦄🐲

  • Howard Wilson
    Howard Wilson 4 months ago

    Maybe not care about "official" lists from ordinary fucking people that have nothing to do with the game.

  • Rory Taylor
    Rory Taylor 4 months ago

    GG, Max. You burn that straw man. You burn it down to the ground.

  • Guillermo Higueros
    Guillermo Higueros 4 months ago

    Meanwhile the smash list is the same as smash four and has almost all third parties in the top

  • Perry Falzon
    Perry Falzon 4 months ago

    Completely agree! So many people just gravitate to "high tier" characters, having to fight Scorpion, Sonya and Erron Blacks way too often.

  • zero end
    zero end 4 months ago

    Lythero mvc3
    Phoenix wright on point

  • Blackest Yang
    Blackest Yang 4 months ago

    UnderdawgGaming would like to know your location

  • SuperScopeRawks
    SuperScopeRawks 4 months ago

    Tier lists are good for understanding what's popular and what's beating the average player: the current meta.

  • mariotaz
    mariotaz 4 months ago

    I play Little Mac....but it’s fact he is shit.

  • King Torgue
    King Torgue 4 months ago

    The shade at jwong tho lmfao

  • Jrot24
    Jrot24 4 months ago

    I agree with you almost 100% except for the bit on competing. I compete very casually and I think it's hella fun. Really unique opportunity to play some of the best as a casual. Don't want to discourage other casual folks from signing up for a tournament, it's something really special