Are Disney Villains Going Extinct?

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  • Published on Mar 1, 2017
  • Disney Animation Studios has seen an uptick in quality and consistency in the last five years... as well as an uptick in red herrings and plot twists replacing the traditional villain narrative. Did the era of the Disney villain end a long time ago?
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  • Lucia Newman
    Lucia Newman Day ago

    i thought Treasure Planet was good...
    I actually loved it and thought it was so pretty! I loved the story but mostly the backgrounds...

  • Stephen
    Stephen 7 days ago

    Holy shit I love this channel. You're great

  • Coochie Burglar
    Coochie Burglar 8 days ago

    Mother gothel?

  • theresa rhoguns
    theresa rhoguns 9 days ago

    Nah Gaston was still a fuckward. Also rapunzels “mom” locked her up in a castle just for her hair.

  • pinkfeiry
    pinkfeiry 10 days ago

    I think a reason why mother Gothel is a great villain but not a very loved one is that the abusive mother was a little too personal for a lot of people, that worked with Frollo but he was a figure of authority first, and THEN and abuse paternal figure.

  • Charlie Phelan
    Charlie Phelan 10 days ago

    I love your channel, but you really need to stop shitting on Treasure Planet lol.

  • rasnac
    rasnac 11 days ago +1

    This video me remember how Mulan was extremely racist against Turkic peoples of Central Asia, depicting them as literally monster instead of humans. Just look at how Shan-yu is drawn, bearly human with claws and pitch black pupilless eyes.

  • Taagol
    Taagol 11 days ago

    I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I CRIED OVER THAT LIGHTNING BUG

  • Zach Wright
    Zach Wright 13 days ago

    RIP Gigantic

  • Tensai55
    Tensai55 14 days ago

    I loved Frozen, but the Hans twist was incredibly weak and obvious. Also, why would a foreign prince be left in charge when the resident royal family is otherwise engaged? Shouldn't there be a council or something? Why are all these foreign guests making decisions for Arendelle? I know it's a kids movie, but still! Shouldn't someone have brought that up at least once in the writing/storyboard stage? I would have thought a trusted lord from Arendelle turning on the sisters and trying to become king would be more powerful - a kind of Jafar-like figure, if you will.

  • Nozdormu1982
    Nozdormu1982 15 days ago

    I guess you just have to ... let it go? :D

  • liv mendel 011
    liv mendel 011 15 days ago

    .....too bad we're never gonna see gigantic....'cause it got.....you know.....shelved

  • Julia Berg
    Julia Berg 18 days ago +1

    I think Mulan is the best Disney Princess and movie and I stick by it.

  • Luiza Gallas
    Luiza Gallas 18 days ago

    Hey Lindsey! I've been looking for good a cultural analysis of True Detective (S1), and I dont think Ive ever seen you talk about a series rather than movies, but I can't find anything nearly as good as your takes. The show is pretty interesting and heavy on the sociological and psychological material. Please?

  • Madison Waycaster
    Madison Waycaster 20 days ago

    Gigantic got canned en lieu of more live action Disney remakes and I'm fucking sick of Disney in general right now. I have avoided all of them since 2017 and now Gigantic, a movie I thought could potentially be really good given enough care and thought, has been trashed because it's just easier for Disney to make money off of their shitty lazy remakes with minimal effort because the originals were already successes so they know these will too.

  • 69johndz
    69johndz 21 day ago

    What is the James Wood story that makes him a "heartless person"? I cannot find anything definitive online.

  • Hannah Tomlinson
    Hannah Tomlinson 22 days ago

    i'm sick of it.

  • Eve Kohley
    Eve Kohley 22 days ago

    Yeah, like that bait-and-switch in "Frozen" has inspired conspiracy theory headcanons. IDK if that'll be canon, but whatever

  • panth753
    panth753 23 days ago

    I have also have fallen down the pin training well.

  • LuTube
    LuTube 23 days ago

    Why am I here

  • Artchert
    Artchert 25 days ago

    Uploaded 2 years ago but still relevant

  • Maya A.
    Maya A. 25 days ago

    Dr. Facilier is the only Disney villain I didn't want to die
    Yeah, he killed a side character, but he was just really fun and cool

  • Yeoyou
    Yeoyou 28 days ago

    Frollo is Disney's best villain change my mind

  • Nathan Lott
    Nathan Lott Month ago

    Cue song licensed from the Pixies

  • Guy R
    Guy R Month ago

    1) Mother Gothel was the best part of Tangled, how DARE you.
    2) I'm really tired of people being tired of Frozen. Yeah, it's over-exposed as hell - but it's over-exposed because it's *brilliant*, you guys. The Disney Renaissance movies would KILL to have such a well-constructed story.

  • Emily Robinson
    Emily Robinson Month ago

    10:28 Who doesn't love Mother Gothel??? The only problem is that she doesn't really have nostalgia on her side...

  • Emily Hogan
    Emily Hogan Month ago

    Gigantic got cancelled but we did get a giant Ralph made of virus clone Ralph's in 2018

  • disneylandw
    disneylandw Month ago

    Worst possible thing about Disney's infamous ATLANTIS movie is SHOEHORNING the fact that the crew members are EVIL!. Which also kills the fact that the ENTIRE AREA around them wants to kill them, therefore even adding the dumb fact of them and there idiotic sea captain are "villains", basically destroys the movie in a way.

    Its random that the movie even NEEDS a villain for action scenes to just happen in it. And yeah this "plot twist" or the dumb crystal god thing makes feel like a different movie(one about saving a "new wave" god the audience has NO connection with)

    Compared to the kind of rushed Julies Verne adventure it was in its first half, its confusing the movie's tone and if watching it for the first time and NOT excepting a random like human shaped "villains" to come out of nowhere.

    Just the environment could have been enough without the crew members turning against each other(proving how useless overall Milo is to the big narrative). Having the sea captain give campy lines for the extra "greed" factor. They already did this in TARZAN, they could have done something different from that but don't it.

    Is it any wonder why ATLANTIS is forgotten by DISNEY?

    I sure don't;)....including a random plot point(on top a million random plot points)that killed this movie in the long run sadly enough

  • angelheart1701
    angelheart1701 Month ago

    Hello from 2019! I'd take the plot you described for Gigantic over what we actually got.

  • Lady Phoenix
    Lady Phoenix Month ago +1

    Soooo... Gigantic got shelved.
    Shame cause I am intrigued by interspecies friendship stories.
    Same with King of the Elves. Oh, and a Kathy Bates/Jim Cummings musical of Pgymillion. :(

  • Bijoux byTiny
    Bijoux byTiny Month ago +1

    I have watched about 30 hours worth of your videos, reviews of media and pop culture. I love it when you do the drunk crying I do not know why don't judge me harshly.

  • Andy
    Andy Month ago

    I like the shift towards buddy comedies from Disney but I wish they'd embrace it more instead of shoehorning in bad guys who do nothing to move the plot forward just because it's worked in the past.
    Maui is my favorite Disney antagonist because he directly causes the conflict that starts Moanas quest and hes a fun lovable jerk with a great song but he's not Evil.

  • GamingForever87
    GamingForever87 Month ago

    You talked about Disney villains, but what about the other animation studios? Are they following the same idealogy (I think that's the right word) that Disney uses? Ummm, most likely, as it is the current trend nowadays for a children's animated movie. But, I wished to hear your thoughts about non-Disney villains.

  • paco ramon
    paco ramon Month ago +2

    Hans looks a better ruler than Elsa.

  • Little Bear
    Little Bear Month ago +3

    "An actual heartless person" made me choke on my coffee. Thank you.

  • Lantern of Diogenes
    Lantern of Diogenes Month ago +1

    Coco had a pretty good villian, but again, false-flag villain.

  • MisterHeroman
    MisterHeroman Month ago +1

    James Woods has an IQ of 180, making him the smartest man in Hollywood.

  • Dullard D. Bones
    Dullard D. Bones Month ago +1

    I've got this book called On Monsters. I think the last chapter makes note that in the modern age 'monster' has gotten so...erh?..that 'monsters' are not really as 'monstrous' as they use to be. 'Freak' is in, now; so say, an orc just can't be a villain because 'orc'.

  • MrMrMrprofessor
    MrMrMrprofessor Month ago

    Here's the thing: I don't hate Mother Gothel at all. Donna Murphy does a great job as the voice, I enjoy the REPRISE of Mother Knows Best, and she has one of my favorite deaths of any Disney villain. It's absolutely horrifying. One big thing that holds Gothel back is her design. When compared to the likes of Maleficent, Cruella, The Queen of Hearts, or even Lady Tremaine or Frollo, Gothel has one of the blandest designs of any Disney villain. I realize that they did want to make her look like a youthful and motherly figure to Rapunzel, but in doing so she lacks the wonderfully theatrical nature of the more classic villains. She's just a woman in a red dress with black curly hair. Not quite as memorable as, say, a human/octopus hybrid. Also, Gothel spends basically the entire middle section of the film barely doing anything but trailing behind Rapunzel and Flynn. She lacks a real punch, a distinctive moment or ability or SONG that makes her so memorable. For Maleficent, it's how she curses a baby to die out of pure spite, and that she can also turn into a dragon. For the Evil Queen, it's her hideous transformation into a hag and her poisoning of Snow White. For Frollo, the villain that most resembles Gothel, it's his twisted morals, his genocidal actions, and Hellfire, the greatest Disney villain song of all time. Gothel...lacks this punch. Her design is bland, her motivations are exceedingly simple, and her song pales in comparison to the likes of 'Poor Unfortunate Souls' or even 'Friends on the Other Side'. The closest we get is when she stabs Eugene and then her death scene, which really is great. But the character lacks the memorable qualities that make us love these baddies. Again, I'll take Gothel over the parade of forgettable twist villains any day of the week. But yeah...she's definitely on the weaker side when compared to the true Disney Villain greats.

  • mekkiepoo
    mekkiepoo Month ago

    I loved Mother Gothel.. mostly because.. i mean.. she was right. She hoarded the flower out of fear it would be destroyed. It was destroyed. She tried to not be evil by taking a strand of hair... didn't work, plan B. She was selfish, but not evil. There was (what felt to be) some genuine care for Rapunzel.

  • Fangsabre
    Fangsabre Month ago

    It's another bait and switch Villain, but the villain from coco was a good villain

  • WonderMe92
    WonderMe92 Month ago +1

    Cut to January 2019 and still no gigantic

  • Shade Blackwolf
    Shade Blackwolf Month ago +1

    Best villains in recent memory are the spirit charmer from princess and the frog, and the witch from tangled. Dr. Facilier and mother grothel

  • Loyaulte Me Lie
    Loyaulte Me Lie Month ago +1

    Remember when Gigantic was a thing?

  • ngodoy247
    ngodoy247 Month ago +1

    I feel like the emphasis on developing general human development that everyone else in the story goes through too, rather than framing the ego as special, would be a breath of fresh air. The weight of perspective and still seeing a happy ending and reason to push forward without a false dichotomy can be just as a draw as anything else if done well.

  • david woodward
    david woodward 2 months ago

    No mention of Jafar or the Boogeyman??

  • Anshtech Company
    Anshtech Company 2 months ago

    Only 3 out of the 20 Disney movies that were made during Walt's lifetime had a princess, a prince and a classic villain in them. Onky sleeping beauty had true love in it - and Skeeping Beauty wasnt even the main character, with 10 minutes of screen time. The fairies are the main characters, having character arcs, helping the prince and battling maleficent.
    The trend only really started in the 90s.
    Also, give me one example of a passive protagonist. Lindsay is obviously thinking that older Disney is only 3 films. Sleeping beauty is not a protagonist. She has 10 minutes of screentime. The fairies fight maleficent, have character arcs, and are the main characters. Cinderella is rebellious, tries to break down the door, is working for freedom the entire film and wins by being optimistic and using teamwork to free herself and stop Lady Tremain from winning. She is possibly the most feminist and heroic Disney character. The only passive protagonist is Snow White. However, it makes sense in that story because the themes are all about the confinement of roles. Also, the dwarves as just as important as main characters as Snow White, and they do fight to try to save her.
    Also, love was never an end goal. It was always an extra reward at the end that came with their goal - be it freedom or growth. The princess that comes the closest to having romance as a goal is Ariel - a new Dusney princess.

  • JD Diggy
    JD Diggy 2 months ago

    Watching this after you did your beauty and the best video they totally changed Gaston he's not the villian he once was

  • Epicurus341
    Epicurus341 2 months ago

    Empire Movie Magazine - October 2017 - Gigantic has been shut down by Disney bosses John Lasseter and Ed Catmull. "It’s impossible to know when we begin a project how the creative process will unfold, and sometimes, no matter how much we love an idea or how much heart goes into it, we find that it just isn’t working," Catmull confirmed in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter. "With Gigantic, we’ve come to that point, and although it’s a difficult decision, we are ending active development for now. We are focusing our energies on another project that has been in the works, which we’ll be sharing more about soon, now set for Thanksgiving 2020."

  • Bob Fischer
    Bob Fischer 2 months ago +1

    Lindsay, you are so awesome. Love your vids. But this one made me finally have to ask- do you own stock in Disney? Not that it would invalidate your work, in fact, you probably should. ANYONE with enough merch to have a curated Disney Villain Pin Collection, especially including one that required getting a Disney Visa....ummm, well, yeah. Maybe just look at your portfolio, yah know? Maybe drop a few of those fat TheXvid checks into some Disney Stock...just a thought.

  • Kevin Littrell
    Kevin Littrell 2 months ago +1

    lol what happened to that giant movie

  • curnon42
    curnon42 2 months ago

    This video is at 666k views. Just saying.

  • JordanBachmeier
    JordanBachmeier 2 months ago +1

    I think The Incredibles had the best twist villain tbh because he still got to be that classic villain through most of the movie and it was actually well written. I know it's Pixar, but they're doing this whole twist villain thing too.

  • Skizzofonik
    Skizzofonik 2 months ago +1

    I love how you make a point of including the "see how i glitter" bit in pretty much every disney-realated video ^^

  • DragonsEatTofu
    DragonsEatTofu 2 months ago

    I might be the only one but, Ray’s death in Princess and the Frog never fails to make me cry.

  • ImaginaryMdA
    ImaginaryMdA 2 months ago

    The little giant girl definitely doesn't look villainous...

  • rainbow pink
    rainbow pink 2 months ago

    villain stans unite

  • Oskar Ryberg
    Oskar Ryberg 2 months ago

    In the Swedish dub of Hercules and Aladdin, Hades and Genie is actually voiced by the same actor and he does it incredibly well. He's very goofy and it just works despite Hades and Genie being completely different characters.

  • Margaret Adelle
    Margaret Adelle 2 months ago +1

    I'm caught between getting bored with the good guys vs. bad guys trope (I prefer protagonist/antagonist stories) and loving straight up psychopaths as villains.
    It's my own internal conflict.

  • Michael Fitzpatrick
    Michael Fitzpatrick 2 months ago

    Kinda ironic that the 'Treasure Island in space' movie had a villain that manages to bait-and-switch AND fulfill the classic Disney villain role. Perhaps Eisner should have kept those guys around.

  • Payton Malstrom
    Payton Malstrom 2 months ago +1

    ...and then Gigantic never came out.

  • Richard Aiden
    Richard Aiden 2 months ago

    James Woods heartless?

  • rapmu _
    rapmu _ 2 months ago

    i do notice when a villain is a good one or sucks but ive never been able to actually like them at all : ( mean ppl make me cry too easily so sometimes i wish the movie was only happy w no villains lol

  • AJ Fantasia
    AJ Fantasia 2 months ago

    To be fair, Tamatoa would make a really nice pin. He could be really sparkly. He’s really just beautiful.

  • Kraflyn
    Kraflyn 3 months ago

    so... umm... first villains were "black" and heroes were "white" and everything was one-dimensional and was so unlike reality... then villains became "grey" and now we miss purely "black" villains... so... the only constant theme here is... whining about something, i guess? Dang, you're hot! cheers :D

  • Chester Rico
    Chester Rico 3 months ago

    Aha! But they gave Gaston a backstory... He's now a jerk because he has PTSD from being a vet...

  • MostlyHarmless
    MostlyHarmless 3 months ago

    3:50 “Beauty and the Beast isn’t out yet, but I think we can probably safely assume that Gaston isn’t gonna get much of a makeover or tragic backstory”
    Oof.

  • Vampire Hunter TK
    Vampire Hunter TK 3 months ago

    Basically making a twist villain is not a very good idea, twist villains don't work, what I would like is a villain that is blinded by his own motive for power and revenge, and the true main villain who is actually revealed at the near start, and in the end, the hero changes both of their hearts.

  • Medua
    Medua 3 months ago

    I think all of the giants will be vegans except for the one evil, giant who eats bacon. They then throw the blood of an English-man on him and he melts. I want a 60% cut of all profits including merch Disney

  • Remy Jones
    Remy Jones 3 months ago

    Mother Gothel. She was crazy.

  • Covady
    Covady 3 months ago

    Your not going turbo are you?

  • Éowyn Salvador
    Éowyn Salvador 3 months ago

    If Disney is real big on this whole explore villains motivations from a sympathetic perspective, perhaps they should use this to fix their problematic history of villainizing queerness.

    • Éowyn Salvador
      Éowyn Salvador 3 months ago

      I'd love to see a Scar movie about how he was ostracized for being unnaturally feminine for a lion

  • Emergency Rapid Response Team

    You need to make a public apology to James Woods. Without James Woods Alyssa Milano's horses would have been BBQed. James Woods did a lot of work getting people safe and get assistance when needed. James Woods is not heartless, only people who are heartless are those that do not look themselves well in the mirror.

    • Emergency Rapid Response Team
      Emergency Rapid Response Team 3 months ago

      Japan lost The Battleship Yamamoto, they list their Naval Forces they lost their fighters and bombers. Russia was coming in and every country Russia touched turned Communist. The Cold War begun. Japan did not surrender fast enough. We were not going to lose Japan to Communists not Socialists. Commies and Socialists are good for one thing lots and lots of target practice.

    • Fingolfin Gondolin
      Fingolfin Gondolin 3 months ago

      Nope, you lost me on both replies.
      1) I was not talking about parties but ideologies. I don't like that subtle shift when either side does it.
      2) I am indifferent to which party institutionalized slavery because may change. I don't subscribe to the stupid Southern Strategy canard pushed by the left, but ideas can shift in a party over time. Ignoring that is foolhardy. It is my only criticism of D'Souza's most recent book. It would be better to discuss why "progressive" ideologies lend themselves to slavery (of various sorts) while the American version of the conservatism/libertarianism maximizes freedom.
      3) The Japanese in WWII were immensely cruel in their strategies and racist to boot. Calculations were made that to let the war continue would have actually cost more lives than dropping the bombs did. So dropping the bombs was a strategic act of compassion. You're looking at that much as a leftist would: only at the surface.
      4) The KKK is a result of identity-based politics, and its attempt at control is very much of progressive origin. But racism can exist in the camps of either ideology. The difference lies in the which group promotes a strong government with the power to impose racist policy on the people. A left-wing racist will create hateful laws that discriminate. A right-wing racist removes his own teeth/claws by saying, "Just leave me alone to my hate." But being on the right does not make you an angel. (Again, party is not the same as ideology.)
      5) And most egregious is your painting with a VERY wide brush, declaring all Democrats a "scourge" that "should be hung for treason." I firmly believe that there is a sect (elite leaders, radical AntiFa types, etc...) who know precisely why they believe what they believe and are OK with it. But most Democrats are just ignorant. I will not fault my neighbors who are duped by the media, because while I might hope them to be better educated, I cannot not hate them for their ignorance. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you know this and agree that a drywall hanger in Detroit is not fundamentally evil for being misinformed.
      6) While I agreed with your initial post about James Woods, you might want to consider lacing your strong, emotional rhetoric with a little compassion (there's that word again) for those who desire good and disagree on the methods to arrive there. Democrats or liberals may be wrong, but that doesn't mean their motives are not well-founded. (Most of them anyway; as I noted above, there is a contingent that knows precisely how horrendous their ideology/methods are and embrace it anyway under some Hegelian delusion of a perfect future. They deserve your opprobrium.)

    • Emergency Rapid Response Team
      Emergency Rapid Response Team 3 months ago

      The most heartless thing ever Democrats who created the KKK. Will never forgive Democrats ever and all should be hung for treason by creating racism in the Land of the Free and Brave. Democrats are a scourge to the United States Constitution and the Freedom and Liberty of the United States of America!

    • Emergency Rapid Response Team
      Emergency Rapid Response Team 3 months ago

      Only ones who are cruel are Democrats which institutioned slavery. There was NEVER a Republican Slave Owner. Heartless is Democrats who wanted to keep slavery alive and well in the United States. Heartless is Democrats creating the industrial military complex and dropping 2 Atomic Bombs on Japan.

    • Fingolfin Gondolin
      Fingolfin Gondolin 3 months ago

      By "heartless", I think she means, "I don't understand why his politics actually reflect his compassion." It is the same old axiom: conservatives understand how the liberals arrive at there conclusions, so can criticize without impugning motives. But liberals generally have no clue how conservatives arrive at their conclusions, so it must be a reflection of conservatives cruel nature. It does get old; particularly when I am trying very hard to enjoy her otherwise very engaging videos.

  • i m
    i m 3 months ago

    "they know each other, they hate each other, we dont know why-" coff bitter exes coff

  • justabitofamug
    justabitofamug 3 months ago

    Remember that cartoon guardians that had all of the different holiday mythical creatures in it? And the boogeyman was the villain? I'm 16 and I still unironically watch that movie. Santa should always be portrayed as a buff russian

  • Cecilie Blondin
    Cecilie Blondin 3 months ago

    Is Kronk really a villain though? He's so sweet!

  • marie
    marie 3 months ago

    Gigantic?! Oh man...like does anyone even say "Tangled"? It is Rapunzel. Rapunzel in the Tower. I cannot recall anyone ever referring to it as "Tangled". Just name the movie what it is please. Stop trying to be clever.

  • Zach Piper
    Zach Piper 3 months ago

    Thank god Gigantic didn't happen

  • azigz
    azigz 3 months ago

    Why don't you like mother gothel?

  • Staunts
    Staunts 3 months ago

    The false-flag sheep was a good villain and commentary on how some people need society to be worse than it actually is in order to justify their anger at perceived social inequalities, so they create a stark 'us vs them' mentality that contradicts the supposed goal of equality. Basically Mayor Bellweather exists to show us that not everybody who seems to act in the name of equality has their heart in the right place and that is a GOOD MESSAGE for today's youth.

    • Disneyfan82
      Disneyfan82 16 days ago

      A message that should have gone to Mayor Swinton.

  • Florent
    Florent 3 months ago +1

    The evil villain got the axe along with the knight in shining armor and graceful princess archetypes. They'll return because they are eternal, but probably not in the current climate.

  • Blue River Bane
    Blue River Bane 3 months ago

    If disney wants a real screenbreaking movie mAKE THE VILLAIN A PRINCESS

  • nandini upadhyay
    nandini upadhyay 3 months ago

    Maybe they should just do both, to make it even more complex. As in, the villains should be scary and evil, but also have a backstory which explains how they became that way. And the protagonist can be confused on whether they should spare the villain's life/empathise with them or still hate the villains cuz of their actions. I get why the evil, scary Disney villains have their appeal, but I also get that children need to be taught that it's not all black and white, and evil people are evil because of a reason. Now whether the protagonist (hence the audience) forgives the villain because they understand where they're coming from, or whether the villain never changes his ways and has to be punished in the end, that can depend from narrative to narrative. I just think it would be interesting to have villains who have a backstory with enough reasoning to why they are the way they are, but also make them really evil and scary.

  • CapitalCH
    CapitalCH 3 months ago +1

    i liked what they did with Tangled. Instead of making an evil witch, they made her passive aggressive and cutting. her insults about Rapunzel's weight and characteristics were more realistic and most people could relate to that kind of family member than a one note villain.

  • Monitor
    Monitor 3 months ago +3

    the villain of gigantic was John Lassetter

  • Gabriel Amorim
    Gabriel Amorim 4 months ago +1

    "We can probably safely assume that Gaston isn't gonna get much of a make over or a tragic backstory" lol oh i wish so

  • SoundofSapphire
    SoundofSapphire 4 months ago

    I don't mind a protagonist finding their identity. First, everyone goes through it, and young people are currently going through it. Second, because every person experiences it, that kind of story is relatable, meaning it's more marketable. As for villains, I think Disney is afraid of making them too real. You don't want a kid to recognize that bad things do actually happen in life, and you don't want them to see something that they could easily recognize as an evil in the real world. Some kids are going to watch that kind of movie and have the negative stick with them more than the protagonists journey or progression. There's also the issue of time. It can be difficult to have enough time to set up both a strong protagonist and a strong antagonist. To that, I say either put in the extra effort to make it work, or leave out the villain. We all know recent Disney films that didn't need one and most likely would've been stronger stories for trimming the fat. But Disney has a very successful and lucrative formula, and, at the end of the day, Disney is a company. It's a business. If they have a weak part of the film like a lazily written antagonist and give that very little screen time, audiences are more likely to overlook that and just enjoy the rest of the movie. Personally, I can't grasp the idea of forcing in a villain because that's "part of the formula" and not cutting them out to create more time to focus on really solidifying the good parts they already have in place.

  • tristonanan
    tristonanan 4 months ago +1

    I think that Tamatoa was really only in Moana so they could write a villain song and have someone who is over the top and *shiny* to market. No judgment for that, but either have a real villain or don't. Come on, Disney. I am so tired of the bait and switch villain because they often aren't written well. The best one that has come out of recent Disney is Te Fiti because I genuinely did not see that one coming. It was one of the few times it was genuinely unpredictable, or at least in my opinion.
    One of the worst written ones they wrote was Hans. Bellwether I can believe since she didn't have as much screentime and she seemed like she could genuinely be manipulative. Hans, however, came out of left field without a single hint that he was going to betray Anna until the "If only there was someone who loved you" line. I'm actually genuinely surprised that they didn't have a villain song. When I say that his betrayal came out of nowhere I also genuinely mean it. When he and Anna first met he actually genuinely seemed to like her. When her back was turned he smiled softly at her. This wasn't an "I'm going to manipulate her into marrying me and then I'll find a way to kill her sister so I can rule" sort of smile. That was an animator's way of showing "I am absolutely smitten with this girl" type of smile.
    What would have worked better for Frozen is if they had Elsa get more and more cold and bitter as the story progressed, turning herself into the Ice Queen and the villain who can then be turned back by ~sisterly love~ or whatever. Or the Duke of Weselton who said that Elsa's magic was evil. He could have very easily been turned into the actual villain.
    If they really wanted Hans to be the villain, then reveal to the audience that he isn't a good dude sooner. Hans could have been more adverse to Anna trying to save her sister, possibly sending the army after Elsa if he promises that he wouldn't. He could have teamed up with the Duke of Weselton to bring down Elsa.
    Modern day Disney seems to be adverse to making their villains straight up evil without there being a reason, as you said. Not every villain needs a tragic backstory and/or to be a twist. Some people are just messed up, or we just would never naturally learn their motivations if it wasn't for them saying why. Then again, Disney Pixar has been doing this since 1999 with Toy Story 2 (which is turning 19 two days after writing this too long comment). As long as we continue seeing their movies and giving them money they aren't going to really care, though.

  • Mr. RPG-Gamer
    Mr. RPG-Gamer 4 months ago

    Ok, I just need to quickly hop on here (I know this video is already a year old, but still). First off, great video, I love it. Interested to see where the whole villain thing goes (because I usually like good villains far more than the heroes). Secondly, I need to step in and kind of defend Mother Gothel here. I agree with some of the points against her: the lack of iconic outfit, the sort-of-ok song "Mother knows best". I wish they would have given more time to her true villain form, bet that's too late now. What really sold me on Mother Gothel as one of my favorite Disney Villains is that she is intelligent (well for as long as the story allows her to be that is), so very devious in giving off a caring presence whilst still showing her true feelings (IMHO I think it should have been more subtle and not so obvious that she is being "mean" to her in "mother knows best") but the thing that truly sold me on her, was the reprise of "mother knows best". Oozing with disdain and anger whilst still making her self seem like the victim. SO GOOD. I LOVE IT. Anyways, those are just my few cents on that "issue". ^^

  • Voldemort
    Voldemort 4 months ago

    i kinda feel like with a more dynamic and realistic plot line, having a character that is "evil" is impossible because real people arent just evil, and thats why we see the antagonists getting a backstory or a reason to their actions. A classic Disney villain really only works in a very simple story like the movies they exist in, they would feel out of place in a world of dynamic characters and appear flat in contrast.

  • jocontemporary
    jocontemporary 4 months ago +1

    This will get more funny the further we get away from 2017 and Gigantic still never happens

  • Special Agent Washing Tub

    They could do something a bit different an made Jack the villain. He's the focus, but he's the one causing the problems for the unaware giant.

  • Taiya001
    Taiya001 4 months ago

    OBJECTION! Dr. Facilier had to pay off his debt to the dark forces, he had to get those souls of New Orleans to pacify a greater threat. Tiana did not know this but did subvert a worse tragedy through her sacrifice. Also Elsa is a villain, she nearly killed her kingdom yet is loved like a hero when the real hero was Anna. And like most people that are beautiful they get passes by society due to their appearance. Elsa would not have been so popular if she was not deliberately drawn to be 10x more pretty than her sister and also that stupid sexy crap dress. Anna gets the shaft of this even though her sacrifice saved the day. Elsa is evil still in my opinion, she willingly let her people nearly freeze to death and hid from her responsibility as queen.

  • Samuel Ollesh
    Samuel Ollesh 4 months ago

    Sorry, what? Too distracted by Starscream and his crown behind you.

  • Cush
    Cush 4 months ago

    Will Disney characters ever have genitals? Or will they forever be as castrated as their story re-telling?

  • Lautael
    Lautael 4 months ago

    1:00 Is that Rantasmo? :o

  • Diy_CaT
    Diy_CaT 4 months ago

    Going out of fashion. They'll be back.

  • E.R.
    E.R. 4 months ago

    Disney's oeuvre can be understood in the framework of Pop Star Reputation. We're just in the what you've made me do era of Taylor's career right now

  • Max Winters
    Max Winters 4 months ago

    i love when people arent flat and 1 dimensional but go off i guess

  • onewingedraven
    onewingedraven 4 months ago

    Honestly, I think it's good villains aren't always just these evil people anymore. You have to remember that Disney is always targeting children, not adults. They try to make their content amusing for adults, but they'll always be going after the kids. Teaching kids from a young age that when someone is an asshole there tends to be more to them is pretty important. In a world where politics makes it them vs us I think it's important to make sure the next generation doesn't fall into the trap of things being good or evil. Sometimes compassion and understanding is what's needed to solve a conflict and sometimes it isn't. The important thing is to humanize the "villain" in a way that will help young kids grow up with that lesson already in their brains. The old way of the Disney villain may be fun to watch, but it's honestly outdated and can be potentially damaging to developing a child's understanding of good and evil.