Are Disney Villains Going Extinct?

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  • Published on Mar 1, 2017
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    Disney Animation Studios has seen an uptick in quality and consistency in the last five years... as well as an uptick in red herrings and plot twists replacing the traditional villain narrative. Did the era of the Disney villain end a long time ago?
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  • herranton1979
    herranton1979 3 hours ago

    Starscream! One of the best villains.

  • Bear The Nomad
    Bear The Nomad 3 hours ago

    still tryna work out if you're a marxist or not

  • Ashley Joyner
    Ashley Joyner 8 hours ago

    I don't mind that we don't have clear-cut villains anymore. People and their motives are not black and white...we are all shades of gray and I feel like Disney is reflecting that. I hope this sticks around for a while.

  • Te3time
    Te3time 19 hours ago

    Scar is my favorite disney character of all time ahh I miss the villains but then again I havent watched a disney movie since big hero 6

  • Zarcon
    Zarcon Day ago

    Not Disney, but Lord Farquaad was great.

  • Roventicainlove
    Roventicainlove Day ago

    It’s the all once upon a time thing 😓

  • xAaeiynx
    xAaeiynx Day ago

    But I like Mother Gothel. She just wants her Flower

  • yamastrife
    yamastrife Day ago

    Mother Gothel is my all-time favourite Disney villian. :

  • Jason Clark
    Jason Clark 2 days ago

    Frozen would have been good enough if it simply had been two sisters dealing with their strained relationship. They didn't have to throw in a bait-and-switch villain.
    It's also okay to have villains who are genuinely evil.

  • Blind Beholder
    Blind Beholder 2 days ago

    Why do Mulan's eyebrows get an inch or so thicker when she takes off her make up? That seems... backwards.

  • Dave Murray
    Dave Murray 2 days ago

    Oh my god, Starscream is on your desk. Waaaaaaath? :)

  • WhumpingWillowWhichWhispersWell

    Mother Gothel?

  • Ray Khan
    Ray Khan 3 days ago

    Nope they are the new cool now so as soon as the fad disappears they slowly disappear

  • IoEstasCedonta
    IoEstasCedonta 3 days ago

    1:54 - What about Scar?

  • Zexonyte
    Zexonyte 3 days ago

    14:10 Sidney ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    I know. I'm an asshole.

  • SeverineGREY
    SeverineGREY 3 days ago

    James Woods owns you in intelligence and wit any day!!! I still like your videos though :)

  • Sophia June
    Sophia June 4 days ago

    Ok but I LOVED the Hans troupe. The gasps that were heard throughout the theater.

  • Ana García
    Ana García 4 days ago

    Plz brush ur hair

  • Hala S
    Hala S 4 days ago

    Rapunzel's "mom" was pretty good

  • Desiree Paahana
    Desiree Paahana 4 days ago

    You're welcome and Let it go are my least favorite Disney songs

  • cuallito
    cuallito 5 days ago

    So much subversion, a Madoka Magica Disney movie is due.

  • Maya Harper
    Maya Harper 6 days ago

    I want a Disney movie where there is no true villain or hero

  • the distinguished boi

    old villans are obvious and boring

  • Vincent Bullock
    Vincent Bullock 6 days ago

    After a quick look at a few alt-right adjacent forums I would say Disney villains are on the rise.

  • Tanner McCollum
    Tanner McCollum 7 days ago

    They appeal to our dark side.

  • Noah 'VintageWeedKiller'

    Mother Gotthel and Dr. Vasilie are the closest in the most recent memory

  • Cliff Dillon
    Cliff Dillon 9 days ago

    Gigantic has been shelved..
    Dragon Empire will take it's place in 2020...

  • Jack Kraken
    Jack Kraken 9 days ago

    Hold on, M. Shymalan got into serious trouble when he adapted a beloved anime inspired cartoon and butchered into a sorry excuse for a movie. Sure his earlier movies were hit or miss but The last Airbender really sealed the nail in his coffin.

  • Jose Osorio
    Jose Osorio 10 days ago

    Aaaaaaaaaand Gigantic got cancelled.

  • Gabrielle Greene
    Gabrielle Greene 10 days ago

    Don't piss on Pocahontas man...

  • Punk Jesus
    Punk Jesus 11 days ago

    I literally didn’t even know that gigantic was a thing?? It’s August now and this is the first I’m hearing of it...

  • Ryan Vetter
    Ryan Vetter 12 days ago

    No conflict, no story.

  • Dimebag Dave
    Dimebag Dave 12 days ago +1

    Short answer- yes, yes they are and I fucking hate it! The best Disney movies were always a split story about the hero and the villain and what each of them was up to... Today's Disney movies Focus only on the hero and then pull it bait and switch at the very last second and that's not fun

  • Twilight Joltik
    Twilight Joltik 13 days ago +1

    Coming back to this after seeing the Beauty and the Beast remake (and her vid on it), that prediction about Gaston being excluded from the Tragic Backstory Trend... yeah, about that...

  • lifeenthusiast
    lifeenthusiast 13 days ago

    I hate that you're so eloquent and naturally beautiful. Unfair! lol

  • Scott Elder
    Scott Elder 14 days ago

    The villains have gone down but the heroes have improved, be good if we could have both

  • Tyler Channell
    Tyler Channell 14 days ago

    I'm sorry but I disagree with Moana. Maui is the villian, all the way.

  • Anna Jones
    Anna Jones 14 days ago

    Pocahontas was great fight me.

  • Katherine Moore
    Katherine Moore 14 days ago

    'Like yes it was hot garbage, but it was my hot garbage.' = Instant Thumbs Up

  • boris the wolf
    boris the wolf 14 days ago

    The good Disney villains are on the show like Gravity Falls and star vs. Like Bill Cipher is a really great Disney villain

  • Thermalburn
    Thermalburn 14 days ago

    I think the thing is that disney movies were generally geared towards children back in the day, and so it was very simple "wholesome" good and evil characters. Now those children grew up, and the world being the way it is, where there is a prolonged adolescence (ie people dont grow the fuck up), those former disney kids want something more along their taste. So now disney appeals to both adults and kids. Look at star wars. it used to be cheesy, campy yet fun movies that a bunch of 13 year olds would watch. Now its this really gritty serious "dark knight" tone movie because there are a bunch of man children watching it; like holy shit your 45 years old why are you so damn obsessed with a bunch of space ninjas swinging laser swords. But i digress...

  • mae64khlo
    mae64khlo 15 days ago

    You dragged Hercules but loved Moana?!

  • erasedMUSE
    erasedMUSE 16 days ago

    I just found your channel, and Im loving your videos.
    Thank for being jaded but cool enough to do these. Your jaded-ness is why your videos are so fun and informative.

  • Nesseire
    Nesseire 16 days ago

    For me Tamatoa has an alligator moment. His song added nothing to the plot, they could´ve had retired it from the film and nothing would change. Also, his song was so different from the rest of the soundtrack that seemed forced

  • D Molina
    D Molina 16 days ago

    Why do you dismiss the villain in Tangled? She’s so evil it’s actually not a let down

  • Aurora Aubert
    Aurora Aubert 17 days ago +1

    ok but i love treasure island in SPAAAAACE

  • Katie Robinson
    Katie Robinson 17 days ago

    "Gigantic" was cancelled :/

  • nata r
    nata r 17 days ago

    Hans was so suspicious that i was actually surprised he WAS the main vil... one of the two bad guys in the movie

  • xzonia1
    xzonia1 19 days ago

    As with most movies, the whole black/white, good/bad trope was very popular in the 1930's-70's when the world had clear enemies (Axis vs Allies) and viewing life in this way made sense. With the rise of globalism in the 80's, America was motivated to stop looking at the world in this way (especially with the end of the Cold War in 1989), and movies reflected this change in attitude. The villain shifted from an external force to an internal struggle, and westerns fell out of popularity.
    This is perhaps best shown in the Star Wars movies, where the first 3 that came out in the 70's and 80's were a story of good vs. evil, but the next 3 movies that came out decades later were about Anakin's personal descent into darkness to become Darth Vader. America has been trying to understand the countries we once called enemies and to find a redemption story to bring the world together (though there has been the obvious setback of the ISIS issue, a new enemy that was thrown into the mix in a disjointed way, though we do see many in recent years trying to understand and reconcile with these people too instead of simplifying vilifying them).
    Movies made in the U.S. reflect the culture and experiences of America, which is why Disney movies moved away from the monolithic villains to ones that are revealed to be misunderstood or ineffectual. For this reason, I hope Disney never goes back to the grand villain, because I hope we never have that dynamic in the world again either.

  • Noah Bartlett
    Noah Bartlett 19 days ago

    If you didn't like treasure planet you can gtfo

  • Micheal Cormier
    Micheal Cormier 19 days ago

    Awesome Starscream in the background. Too bad we won't be seeing what they were going to do with Gigantic anytime soon. If ever.

  • Vaylyn Wolfe
    Vaylyn Wolfe 20 days ago

    "See how I glitter." Gets me every time.

  • Sinister Norimaki
    Sinister Norimaki 25 days ago

    13:25 And it was cancelled! :'(

  • Mark Flatt
    Mark Flatt 26 days ago

    If your trope is “subversion of tropes...” that becomes a trope...and predictable...next movie will have to revert to following the original trope to not be the new trope of subversion of tropes....🙄

  • The Stammering Dunce
    The Stammering Dunce 29 days ago

    Incoming rant from Pretentious Captain Obvious:
    I don't see anything wrong with their extinction. I mean, life is not black and white. Good and evil are, like it or not, not always easy to define.
    Okay, I admit that some real life figures are just pure evil; they commit inhumanity just because. But, there are also times in life when people embrace both heroism and villainy, when anti-heroes outnumber the heroes.
    Of course, one may argue entertainment is meant to be escapist. But, that's not an excuse to be shallow all the time. Heck, even the most escapist entertainment can still have depth in it.
    What's the benefit of adding depth? Well, the viewers would have greater perspectives about their lives! If you constantly feed young children and impressionable adults with shallowness, they would end up having overtly-simplistic views about life in general! If you are a person who know better, you would hate living surrounded by simpletons.
    People often forget entertainment is a part of media and the media's purpose to communicate messages. If a film portrays good and evil simplistically, then it communicates and tries to convinces its viewers that good and evil are easy to define.

  • just a vegan
    just a vegan Month ago

    I WANT A NEED A KUZCO KEYCHAIN

  • squattingheads
    squattingheads Month ago

    What did woods do? I can only find claims of bad behavior

  • Artbug
    Artbug Month ago +1

    People didn't get tired of M Night Shyamalan so much as he just started making movies that sucked a big one

  • Chris Lowery
    Chris Lowery Month ago +1

    I think Disney needs to go back to the Pinocchio format of the protagonist just fuckin shit up lol

  • Fir413
    Fir413 Month ago

    To this day, I still don't give a fuck about Yafar, and I don't get why anyone would. He's just some... dude who happens to be evil and... has a beard and a talking parrot? There's literally nothing interesting about him.
    Like, I'm not saying all villains need this super deep backstory or motivation: Ursula and Hades are both pretty flat, yet they're great. But Yafar is just... meh.

    • nata r
      nata r 17 days ago

      he´s funny, duh

  • Cori Roberts
    Cori Roberts Month ago

    I think what made the monster at the end of Moana unique was not only Moana’s compassion for her and the fact that this is the end of Moana’s journey to understand herself, but something we see more and more is the fact that evil isn’t unrooted. It always comes from somewhere, and this directly reflects the “evil” or problems we see in the real world. The idea that we can solve some of the issues we see. Where we used to be able to just enjoy a story of the goodies vs the badies, we now want more out of movies. We want them to say something about us as individuals and about the world as a whole. However, going back and trying to fill in backstory where there wasn’t one, as in Malifacent’s case, just to establish that “Look guys she wasn’t all bad!” always ends up weak and never as poignant.

  • violeta martinelli
    violeta martinelli Month ago

    You should realy watch avatar: the last airbender. ... everyone should

  • Dragonrider1202 1
    Dragonrider1202 1 Month ago

    Honestly, the villains are the best part of nearly every Disney movie I can recall (Haven’t seen Pocahontas, but aren’t they all kind of villains for almost declaring war and slaughtering each other?)

  • Maalik M
    Maalik M Month ago

    Looking back, Maleficent wasn't that great, but it will always have a special place in my heart as the first film I ever watched in an American theater.

  • Peef Rimgar
    Peef Rimgar Month ago

    oops gigantic didn't come out yet

  • aznSeddie
    aznSeddie Month ago

    R.I.P. Gigantic

  • Zara Hoffman
    Zara Hoffman Month ago

    Isn’t it pronounced “Goth-el”?

  • Sunaki1000
    Sunaki1000 Month ago

    they are allways overated.

  • Talulah M.
    Talulah M. Month ago

    "Yes it was hot garbage.. but it was my hot garbage!" oh my god I died

  • Adam Holt
    Adam Holt Month ago

    this generation made classic style 2-dimensional villains unfashionable by overanalysing everything and ruining what made them good..... and then (as in this video) complained that we don't see them anymore. Can't have it both ways.

  • The Kindest Soul
    The Kindest Soul Month ago

    I think a story about evil Elsa would have been better. And I mean from Elsa's perspective, it would be cool but they didn't end up going with that.

  • Michael Key
    Michael Key Month ago

    It's just recognizing that everything "we" thought was good in the 1950s was actually quite oppressive and evil. And what was thought evil was actually misunderstood and good. I'm all for it.

  • Esti Obel
    Esti Obel Month ago

    I think one of my stories has a Disney-type villain. The villain is the role model of the main character, who thinks she's evil, and that's who she's supposed to be, and I originally wrote way too much about this story, because I really love and am proud of it.
    But, long story short, the villain is that type of evil that you usually see in an old Disney movie, and I love them.

  • Okashido
    Okashido Month ago

    I like treasure planet.

  • Levi Thorstone
    Levi Thorstone Month ago

    Of course not Gaston is a white straight male he gets No Redemption

  • Caroline
    Caroline Month ago

    mother gothel in my opinion is the best disney villain. she kidnapped and raised a child, never let her out of the tower... ever... for 18 years, brainwashed her from the get go, manipulated her for 18 years in order to stay young forever. she was fucked up.

  • DragonRyd3r
    DragonRyd3r Month ago

    I really like the way the villains are going. I feel like Hans was a little contrived, but I really loved the villains like Bellwether, Callahan, Te Ka, and Ernesto de la Cruz (I know he wasn't around when this video came out but I love him all the same)

  • Colleen Deignan
    Colleen Deignan Month ago

    Love your Starscream toy

  • th3azscorpio
    th3azscorpio Month ago

    I loved Moana too. The first thing I noticed about it was the lack of a true villain as well. I liked that. I've often asked the question of when will Disney create a "redeemable" villain; or one that is at least sympathetic? The same theme of there not being a true villain was also played somewhat with Frozen.

  • XerDav
    XerDav Month ago

    i'm not sure if it's due to the technical storytelling aspects or not, but when i was younger, my favorite Disney movies were Aladdin and Mulan. oh yeah, i also liked The Great Mouse Detective, but i was pretty young when i saw it, kinda gave me nightmares >_< ...
    anyways, um, some more 2 cents from me, never really tried to watch Wreck It Ralph, i liked the idea but by the time it was released i was fickle and didn't care to see it. Frozen's previews made me very meh, and despite the acclaim, i just didn't care at all for anything about it.
    Tangled was of the few more recent Disney movies i liked, though i didn't see it out of my own volition, so it was a seldom watch that i don't regret, and yeah, the villain was kinda meh for me, but i like the main characters.
    i actually forgot Big Hero 6 was even a thing that exists, never saw it though. i never saw Enchanted either, and forgot it existed also. oh, i really liked Zootopia a lot, though i regret that they didn't have enough time to completely world build that massive city, could have made a great short Netflix series instead of just being a "good" movie.
    i also liked Moana, it took me a bit to give it a chance, because i'm really kind of jaded and nitpicky these days, but i liked the nuance in it, like, i'm not too fond of the whole black and white good versus evil formula as much anymore, so i was happy with how this one played out.
    anyways, i like your videos, i like your personality, i like your insight and opinions, and if you don't mind me saying so, i think you're very beautiful and i would give you all the love in the world if i felt like i was worthy of your time.
    have a nice day :)

  • supercyc10
    supercyc10 Month ago

    Too bad gigantic got canned

  • Theriomancer
    Theriomancer Month ago +1

    Making a Disney Princess™ is pretty easy, just have a female protagonist who is marketable and pretty. Making a Disney Villain™on the other hand is hard, because a good villain needs a right balance of things like marketability, flair, presence, likability and of course evil. I think the last really good Disney Villain™ we got was Dr. Facilier and since then all the disney antagonists are lacking in several of these categories.
    Disney TV shows on the other hand now actually had antagonists good enough to be considered good villains such as Toffee, Bill Cipher and Lord Dominator and if it weren't for the fact that there seems to be a movie villains only rule I think they would have been great additions to the Disney Villains™.

  • Naddy Connors
    Naddy Connors Month ago

    Hades gaston and scar are my favourite villains melefacint was in the top 3 but you no she got demoted cause of her god awful origins story 🤢🤐 what did they do to you !

  • Joshua Pelfrey
    Joshua Pelfrey Month ago

    And.... "Gigantic" was canceled.

  • Dedre Dedre
    Dedre Dedre Month ago

    1) Disney can't have a black and white villain anymore because you can't HAVE black and white depictions of people anymore, because that would be racist. If disney were to paint someone as a straight-up mistress of evil, can you even IMAGINE the backlash they'd get even if they were a green tentacle monster? Just look at the backlash they already get for Whoopie Golberg and Cheech voice acting the Hyenas in The Lion King! (characters whom they played FANTASTICALLY, btw) Especially with their sheer size, sphere of influence, already extant criticisms over 70 year old movies, and attempts at a world-wide family-friendly brand (and what those terms mean to a modern audience), if they were to have someone be evil for the hell of it, even if they were able to pick someone to do it, it wouldn't go over very well. And beyond that, leaving motivations open is going to leave the audience asking "why are you a d*ck?" (hence why we have the Malificent movie, Gaston's PTSD, Jaffar's backstory, etc. at all) (there's a whole video on messed up villain backstories) Also note that even the Devil Himself (supposedly evil incarnate) has gotten the morally-gray makeover MULTIPLE times (Mark Twain, anyone? "The Devil is a Part-Timer"? etc. slightly justified by being a literal "fallen angel" but, again, only to more modern audiences); people get bored with straight villains after a while and start to wonder if maybe they're just misunderstood (even and especially if they're not) because of their own morality.
    2) How can you dislike Mother Gothel? She's like the Trueman Show mixed with a Broadway Musical incarnate! And it's very difficult to tell if she actually has some care and feelings for rapunzel, or if she's just using her Her Whole Life for her hair. Also What Is Her Deal with the flower? How old even IS she, really? How did she find out about that stuff? Why did the townspeople have to dig the flower up to use it in the first place? etc.
    3) Elsa was always supposed to be Anna's sister, but they had a very hard time making her the villain while also justifying why the hell Anna would WANT to go after her when she runs away if she was such a B*tch. It wasn't until they came up with the song "Let It Go" that any of her characterizations (or the plot, for that matter) came together at all. (just listen to the demo songs they were originally going to use to explain the "frozen heart" curse sometime and you will see why I'm cringing at the thought of the original plotline right now)

  • Elise Truman
    Elise Truman Month ago

    What about mother gothel

  • Joy Augustina Petinrin

    Just realized there is no villian in Deadpool 2!!!! Ahhhhhh!!!
    I've been cheated!

  • Nj Njhjh
    Nj Njhjh Month ago

    watched

  • gabriella oliver
    gabriella oliver Month ago

    Did gigantic even happen

  • anlymoi
    anlymoi Month ago

    In my opinion, all characters are becoming more and more complex, both villains and heroes alike (and even sidekicks), so at some point you can't really have a deep and complex evil character without making them at least somewhat more like the hero, because it's difficult to write a real character who would be genuinely evil and monstrous while still adorable and fun to watch. Just as plots are becoming more dimensional, the emotional stakes for the viewers are also rising. Personally, it was difficult for me to watch that guy from Frozen betray Anna and leave her to her death, just as Rapunzel's abusive mother didn't really increase the interest in the film, but rather made me want her to go away as soon as possible -- precisely because her character and her actions seemed so real. Had these plot arcs been even deeper, it would have been even more difficult to watch for younger audiences.

  • Skylar LacyBookworm

    Treasure island was amazing! Btw I still liked this video and the current trend in Disney.

  • Takemi Corrado
    Takemi Corrado Month ago +1

    Watching in 2018 and now I’m crying that Gigantic is cancelled.

  • Frazer Clyde
    Frazer Clyde Month ago

    You must have so much money, in every vid i watch you're traveling to the set andd stuff, its great just seems like it'd cost a bomb.
    Love you! :)

  • Nick Romeos
    Nick Romeos Month ago

    Please do mulan!

  • Madcircle Throughell

    0:48 😎😎

  • Audrey matei
    Audrey matei Month ago +1

    Why are Disney titles just adjectives now? Like brave, frozen, tangled, and gigantic????

  • Kzinssie (porygonlover322)

    i will never not hear BFG and immediately hear that crackle before i even consider roald dahl

  • p0pp4
    p0pp4 Month ago

    The naming of new Disney films is directly related to marketing. "The Princess and the Frog" was impacted because young boys weren't interested in a movie about a princess. Hence Rapunzel was rebranded as "Tangled" to avoid that issue.

  • bellowingsilence
    bellowingsilence Month ago

    Disney made the following sort of "deeper" villains in the same time frame: The witch who is the mother of Rapunzel, but loves her... the prince who turns out to be bad... the giant... and in that same rough time frame, released a film version of Into the Woods. So, it used all the villain ideas of Into the Woods and then secured the film rights and brought it into its "brand" to ensure they weren't getting sued for stealing and so the movie effectively became a live action musical utilizing tropes it was now using.

  • TheJrbdog
    TheJrbdog Month ago

    Didn't everyone immediatly know Christoph was a bad dude? :Smugface: :Smugface: