This Laptop Is Faster Than Your Desktop
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- Published on Jan 24, 2022
- The best gaming laptop - intel i9 12900HK Alder Lake mobile chip with an Rtx 3080 ti. The new MSI GE76 with performance benchmarks
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These new chips are FREAKING FANTASTIC. Especially if you don’t push them too hard and keep ‘em under 75 watts.
I would like to buy i would i purchase it?
Dave pls review rog strix scar 17. 12900h 3080ti
I'm looking for this laptop with the same components (360hz, 3080ti, i9 12900hk) but can't find one to pre order. There is an i7 alder lake instead of i9 alder lake. Would there be a big difference between the two?
Can you please review MSI Creator Z17 A12UHST-046.
Please send me 1 laptop. I want to learn computer
I was sceptical, but it seems like Intel really did a great job at taming the 12th gen's power hungry chips for mobile platforms! Amazing to see the competition between team Blue and team Red back on fire. Can't wait to see what AMD's response is!
"69"00hs. very nice. very very very very very nice.
@Hi, 1626 there is one thing called "heat conductivity"
@Hi, 1626 amd is hot as fk even at 35w is because amd has heat transfering issue. The heat generated by the die can't get out of the case fast enough. So it stays in the case and easily reach to 90c. Intel have no issue on heat transfering. So if the same amount of heat generated on both chip Intel will be like 20c cooler. Time to learn physics bich.
Super interested in how these new Intel chips work in other chassis configurations and contexts. Loved to see Intel back at it and infuse even more competition like Apple did with the M1 chips!
Interesting to see the lower end i3 and i5 performance. The i9 is just too expensive for me.
@Yeeeooo how is i5 11 gen
i5 is actually insane
I've been saying since the Alder Lake announcement that I thought that the laptop sector would be where they really shine. Having the P and E cores just seemed purpose built with laptops in mind.
I bought last year's GE76 cuz of your review (and the semiconductor shortage meant it was the only premium laptop realistically available to me!). Despite costing the price of a small car for all the bells n whistles, I love it. It's beautiful, it's weighty (why I think that's a good thing, I don't know), the 4K display doesn't disappoint, and it simply doesn't flinch for my needs. I especially agree with you on Balanced mode, it's so quiet for what it does.
I can't afford to upgrade this year, but I love that they (Intel, MSI, Nvidia) take my dollars and keep innovating, and these kinds of generational leaps make me really hopeful for the power of all kinds of mobile devices in the future.
Dave: This laptop is faster than your desktop..
Me(with i3 2ndgen): Every laptop is faster than my desktop😂
@Devang Maheshwari gotta agree there....i am still surprised the load it can handle sometimes considering it is like 12 years old.. infact my poor cooling system and a lack of gpu holds it back
@3D World 5900x is beast . I have one , use it for music production.
Processors are much more capable than you can ever imagine. My i5 3rd gen mobile cpu +500gb sata SSD works super fast . Boot time is amazing. Processor earlier used to bottleneck due to hdd but not anymore.
me with 2014 celeron 😎
These comments are funny af
These specs are amazing and very fast! As long as there is no thermal throttling... As laptops tend to be vulnerable to
Would have loved to see the comparison with the other laptops continue in battery life.
Beautiful design just wished it had a larger touchpad
these new 12th gens are looking so much better than I was expecting. However I'm going to wait and see what the next generation of Ryzen chips offer before I make a decision. I can wait a while longer thankfully so may as well see what's what towards the end of the year. thanks for the incredible insight. always a fan of your content :)
I'm glad that AMD's and Apple's innovations are keeping Intel on their toes. In their monopoly, CPUs like these would hit the market in late 2020s. Still, an ARM future awaits. PC's will get much faster yet will be less customizable, I'm afraid
@BlackSn0wz yeah, fair enough. I'd say that I have no issue leaving my windows pc running for weeks too, except that it reboots itself periodically to install updates so it probably doesn't actually run for weeks 😅
tbh though, my main experience with Linux was a terrible mess of little things not quite working right and spending months googling how people fixed similar issues, then writing scripts and tweaking configs to try and get things running smoothly. It was fun for me and I learned a lot about OS internals, but in the end decided I had better things to do with my time.
@EmissaryGW2 I agree, but that's what I meant by "inherently more stable". Apple positioned themselves and their products in a way where they have total control over the hardware that their systems run on. Microsoft made Windows an open platform in terms of hardware, Apple chose to make theirs closed, they knew the pros and cons, one of the inherent pros of a closed platform when done correctly is reliability. From a PC enthusiast perspective this is mostly a con, but from a productivity perspective this is why Mac OS is more stable. You can also use Mac or Linux for weeks without restarting it, try using Windows as a server and you'll see what I mean lol. This is anecdotal, but every windows system I've ever owned has had more issues with stability than Mac OS, and anytime I've lost progress for work/school it's been on Windows. My mac experience hasn't been error free, but I've encountered fewer critical errors.
I dislike both companies equally FYI
I've never tried Hackintosh but I can imagine it would be a driver nightmare, stars would need to align in several galaxies at once for it to be a comparable experience to a Mac since you have to trick the operating system, you can't use Nvidia, some CPU's may not be supported, and they're now using ARM. Thought about doing a KVM but getting Linux GPU drivers to cooperate was hard enough by itself.
@BlackSn0wz As far as I can tell, Mac OS isn't inherently more stable than Windows. It's just that stability is 99% based on driver quality. Apple has a big advantage there from the fact that (a) only macs run mac OS, so there's a very small number of drivers that need to 'work well' to get a polished experience; and (b) they have so much volume that when they find a driver issue in QC, they can twist arms to get the issues fixed for all the components they use. I used to run mac OS on non-apple hardware, and let me tell you - it was not stable, it was not polished, things did not 'just work' 😅
ARM has the benefit of being simple and lean (because it's new and has no legacy to support), which makes it easy to do fast/efficiently. x86 has the benefit of an insanely huge ecosystem that 'just works' as long as you stay on x86. Honestly Apple is probably the only company that has a chance of making ARM mainstream enough to one day make x86 go away. But as noted, x86 manufacturers are doing their best now to try and cut off the junk holding it back and close the gap with ARM.
Now you need to make Nvidia to innovate.
MSI is doing some really good work lately
Good video overall. I like your graphs and how they broke down each category. Also I like RGB colors on it.
Great review, especially the ice melting touch heheheh, I can imagine the power adapter might be huge…
I've been looking at buying this laptop for the last week. Is it worth getting over the 11th gen version? Comparing the paper specs, I don't see that big of a difference.
Well my phone is faster than my desktop with Gt 210. Lol
@SeeZaa 😳😳😳
My grandmother is faster than my pc.. may she rest in peace.
@theuncanspan me tooo
Lol I have better : gtx 310m
Seeeesh a PHONE
Does this laptop take a performance hit if its running on battery compared to being plugged in? Very impressive results either way.
With how good the higher end chips are, I think if the Intel arc gpus come out budget friendly and good performing I may go 100% blue for my pc build
So even though AMD Zen 3+ is coming out on TSMC N6P, is going to clock faster, and AMD is saying it has 1.3X the performance of Zen 3, which is 30%, and the APUs are no longer old GCN and are now RDNA 2, just hand the win over to Intel. Maybe for the high end part, but I watched the review with the high end part which also has the 3080 Ti, and the amount of gaming improvement looks like the difference of last year's 3080 and this year's 3080 Ti, meaning it didn't look any better than Tiger Lake really.
I'm thinking Zen 3+ when paired with a 3080 Ti is going to look about the same in gaming.
I have one of these and the gaming performance is indeed faster than my desktop. It's insanely fast!
Credits to Apple for bringing out the best in Intel. A great win for consumers.
@Ridwan Gosal Really dude? Even apple said that M1 max only have a battery life about 13 hours for light task such as watching videos. Are you drunk? Even I never seen someone using MacBook without plug in when rendering. You get too much hype, without even knowing the truth.
Only its more expensive lol, this is a massive tech fail for performance to price ratio.
@Vosk yeah apple is for people who never needed to charge their laptops for days while working on their 4k-8k videos project. People who compiles code without ever needing to charge the laptop for one whole week.
I mean who charge their laptops anyway? MBP can last for weeks according to hype.
@Anand Suralkar Indian Apple Sheep
I already know you're an apple user. Apple is middle ground right now what are you even talking about
Thanks for the time you're putting into reviewing these devices.
And he is going it for free as well. I mean, that this is not an ad at all. He is just a good guy who reviews laptops for free and he is totally unbiased.
RAM density plays a role as well…it can actually bottleneck your GPU’s performance.
Now to wait for what AMD can do with the Ryzen 6000s. Then I’ll see how the price stacks up in my country. Somehow AMD CPUs are more expensive than Intel’s for comparable performance in my country.
Damn the cinebench score only drops by 10% when you drop the wattage from 120 to 70. 90% performance for ONLY 60% power, i think the standard performance numbers should be quoted when power is around our list than 70W. Using power no. above that could be used to make these sound much more power hungry than they can be. Clearly 75W is point of efficiency for these.
I really want to see what the low-mid 12th gen mobile performance is. I think that will be a great sweet spot for easy cheap entry into high performance portable systems, with great battery life. Those efficiency core are very impressive.
I use this laptop everyday, running Linux on it takes a lot of time because it has newer hardware and windows is just a mess, besides that it’s awesome.
When you consider all this for that last 10% of performance, consider a desktop.
Yeah, Intel did an awesome job fitting a CPU into a laptop that consumes more power than a desktop CPU.
It's all about the numbers, right? Noone is going to talk about this being a portable device that consumes more power and generates more heat than most desktops?
You gonna argue this is a desktop replacement device so battery doesn't matter as much? Sure, cause I am going to work or game with 300W under my palms and still being comfortable with the fans struggling to keep it under 100 celsius.
Intel nailed it
And they achieved that on the first iteration of this architecture, nice !
@Properso :D Itanium? :D
@Estiennè Taylor For a laptop its fine, not expecting desktop performance in a laptop, lets not pretend these laptops are gonna beat desktops of the same price, desktops simply remove heat way better than laptops.
@artemis m1 just can't.
@artemis Let me repeat myself again, I want a portable high performing laptop, I don't care about battery life. I don't care about battery life I want portability and performance.
@Misho Maisuradze sure, I just hope Apple don't take 3 years to upgrade the next MBP. They were selling the same Intel MBP for 3 years for the same starting prices. And all Mac heads didn't mind paying thousands for 3 year old chips.
"This Laptop Is Faster Than Your Desktop"
Daym Dave, you didn't have to hurt me like that
I extremely hope this MONSTER OF A LAPTOP goes on sale as soon as possible!
Apple really made intel to go back to the drawing board. completion is really a good thing. it will be interesting to see what the next gen M1 MAX can do
Competition*
i can't help but admire the awesome background! it's like a super modern, industrial-looking bunker
You forgot to mention the most important part,
*This year's GE76 is MUCH more expensive than last year*
@Dark_Matter damn
@Dark_Matter where can i purchase 1 or see the prices at ? if you may send me would be nice !
@Alpha Nation Of course it’s not comparable. If it was, this system wouldn’t be tempting me. But the truth is, I can’t justify computers of this caliber, from Apple or anyone else. The guy recommending the Xbox is right for me.
@AbuBakr Akram That's not comparable. Maybe at $3150 price point.
@AbuBakr Akram grab whatever you can because MacBook is far better than gaming PC as well as laptop but unfortunately sucks at gaming... Not to mention that decent battery backup so it's better to get a console because despite gaming MacBook outclass both PC and gaming laptop in every single aspect
I'm planning to replace my 2021 Lenovo Legion 5 this summer. I want something with a higher end gpu than a RTX 3050 ti. Anyway, this Lenovo is my first of that brand and I am super impressed with the overall build quality.
How do the MSI machines compare in build quality? Also I refuse to buy a laptop without a numpad which the MSI in this video has
@Karen Wang I mostly agree with you but isn't it a bit too weak for VR? I wanted to try some VR.
Bro theres no need to get a new laptop when your current ones perfectly capable of playing everything out there.
Amazing review im super tempted and This looks like a contender if they make this with the styling of the dragon tiamat edition im sold ill will buy it instantly. Are you listening Msi get this sorted for the UK Market. The specification is outstanding 360hz screen 3080ti gpu and that beast of a processor with ddr5 good job Msi respect
I love the new Graphics for benchmarks, Please use this for all of your future videos.
MSI laptop can definitely carry out the best, especially with its exclusive features
Intel was keeping this technology for 2030 but the pressure from competitors made them release it earlier 😂😂😂
@RunningInThe90s first off, don't moke me as an apple fanboy since I don't even use their products and second, I don't use AMD either
@RunningInThe90s 30Watts? Really? Then why Apple give you 150 watts adapter and 99,9 wh battery if it's only 30 watts? M1 max battery life more worse than the basic M1. Please think with logic, high performance with very low power consumption is only a dream for now. Lol
@Misho Maisuradze Even M1 still need to plug in if you want to used it for Rendering or any heavy task
Are there still company fanboys in 2022? How sad.
I'm tired of asking myself why people like RGB lights, instead I wonder if my astigmatism is the reason why I hate them so much.
Amazing review! Computer chips are crazy powerful nowadays
Have to thank apple for this one we wouldn’t have had this if apple didn’t push the bar
I’d totally get the 15 inch version of this. With an external fan or replacing the thermal paste it shouldn’t be that hot
@Dave2D have you seen major differences between laptops with a MUX switch and those without one? Does this particular system have a MUX switch? The ASUS ROG 2022 lineup has that particular feature and I'm trying to understand the benefit of having one.
Check out the video done by Jarrod on the topic. Extremely enlightening on how the MUX switch hampers performance for gaming laptops.
Glad to see Intel making a comeback. Makes me exited to see Dell put these bad boys in their newer XPS laptops. If they do, it would make them more competitive against Apple's Macbooks!
Except for the battery, performance (unplugged), reliability, and thermals.
This thing will be nothing but a hot piece of junk that barely runs at a quarter of the specs without passing the 2-hour mark, and burning your hands as well.
45W intel i7 9750 is burning and cant think this new cpu :) İntel is not efficient anyway. AMD dekstop processors 65w :D
@Estiennè Taylor I may understand you with the notch as it is a thing of personal taste, but the M1 chips are far from „phone processors“. Their performance (especially for the wattage) is no joke. The M1 MacBook Air when it released was competitive with 13“/14“ gaming laptops and laptops more than twice it’s price tag. The M1 pro/max are competitive in their price ranges while using as much power in total other laptops used for one component alone.
And don‘t underestimate „phone processors“ too, as high end phone processors are probably as performant as i5 chips maybe.
@Kjeld Kaj Klompmaker I wish they also made thicker XPS laptops tbh. I could still live with about 1.5 times thicker laptops if the cooling is great. Maybe do that for 17inch.
Mabooks have become uglier since 2020 with a useless notch and phone processor inside. I don't understand what's so good about it.
Without AMD, they wouldnt have done so.
Looking forward to how AMD would respond to this.
Competition is good..
Glad to see a comeback from Intel!
Looking forward to Dave's review of ROG gaming tablet with the latest i9 CPU!
TBPH, I would kinda expect some 3000-dollar gaming laptop to beat my 11 years old desktop PC, upgraded with a 2017 mid-tier GPU.
"This Laptop Is Faster Than Your Desktop"
me: **looks at my dusty core 2 duo**
@Lamak Haim same... My only device is a 6year old tablet that burns when playing shity games
Pentlum (R)
Still got me an E8600.
Phenom 2...
I don’t even have a desktop 😭
Seems like Intel is catching up 🔥
Does it have a MUX switch? Thats becoming a must have feature.
reminds me of how great 3rd and 4th gen intel was, nice.
How long can the laptop keep up the performance?
My desktop can maintain approximately similar performance for a considerably longer period. Can this laptop do that?
Quite an informative review, I am looking forward to the performance of Intel's 12 Generation laptop chips in a thinner chassis, in particular the Dell XPS 15 and 17 inch models. I would like to see what thermal cooling solution Dell implements with the higher specification 12th Generation chips, hopefully, they do not rely on aggressive thermal throttling.
They do aggressively limit TGP to both CPU and GPU. IMO this is a better tradeoff for most people compared to the older 9560 where they just let it run at max power until it hits a brick wall and throttles down to 10% clock speeds and the whole system starts to stutter. On the other hand, I was able to stop the throttling on my 9560 by a combination of cutting holes in the bottom shielding, getting a laptop cooling pad, and buying a portable AC to bring the room temperature down. So I guess technically I have the 'best of both worlds' 🤣 (edit: although yes, I'd rather they just give it adequate cooling in the first place)
I'm very interested in this machine but can you please help me with which screen would be best in your opinion the 240/360hz or the 120hz 4K? I like brightness and colors if that can point you in what I need.
Thank you.
This multi core boost won't transform to gaming performance uplift as much. They uses only 6 big cores instead 8, like in desktop.
would be so great if you could make a comparison among the 2022 models (asus, alienware, lenovo, msi...)which are all equiped with the new generation intel processor. I'm looking to choose one but is soooo hard😂
I really like so much how you review a device ...
Thanks a lot for that
I used to have an MSI Laptop. It was great specs at a good price. Exactly what I wanted, but it never felt that greatly crafted, and I don't mean physically. It felt like a bunch of third party stuff that never integrated properly. Everytime windows updated half of it would stop working and you'd have to wait for new drivers to become available. Sometimes the subwoofer just wouldn't work. It just never felt like a complete package.
@Post Rock Mixes wow. I remember before I bought my last laptop, thinking MSI might be a good way to go as an "enthusiast brand". Ended up getting an XPS 15 instead. Sounds like I made a good choice 😅
This omg. I went from an Asus G75 to an MSI thinking they were just competitors and all that would change would be the brand. Holy. fuck. Was I wrong. A massive downgrade in everything but the hardware itself. I shouldn't have skimped out $100 for a sale.
Apparently the new Ryzen 6000 CPU completely obliterates the 12th gen intels in terms of performance per watt, which is insane, and matters a lot for every gaming or content editing laptop. Every time you think intel is back on top AMD pulls another beast out of the closet lol.
I hope they keep it coming, this competition is exactly what we need.
Freaking fast laptop that can burn your pocket so fast! Especially your laptop!
Good to see Intel showing Apple its place.
It better run better than my 1150€ desktop. The thing costs 5400€ here. I also highly doubt it's 5x faster than my current setup so the value for money is awful.
This is excellent. Looking forward to seeing what this looks like at 1440P and 4K. I was not expecting a 20% bump vs. prior 3080s.
But now for that pricing...
@DashN Dang, looks like I need to give this one too my wife and scoop the 6700/6800m version
@Craig D'Aurizio theres also a 6800m version for 1650 and a qhd model for 50 more thats supposed to release soon
@Green Block Tru dat. I got a rog Strix with a 5900hx + 3050 ti for about $1200 USD, and a 5800h + 3060 was $1400
@Green Block For that money u could build such a nice desktop PC. In terms of price-performance ratio, there are significantly cheaper alternatives that are weaker but can still keep up with gaming PCs in terms of performance.
So if u need like just a gaming pc to handle latest games i wouldnt recommend it, cause u can get powerful laptop and a powerful destop for $4000.
Its only a thing if u really need the most powerful laptop and u dont care price-performance ratio 'cause u can afford it.
ye for the price u can get like 3 Lenovo Legion 5 with R7 5800H and RTX 3070, which is performing only like 40% worse than these new MSI high end one.
I have one and I can say for the price its more than awesome and u wont actually need anything up such specs rn to play games with high and ultra settings.
Intel nailed it this time but I am still waiting for AMD Zen 4 processors.
14C/20T on mobile and keeping the temp at reasonable levels, thats impressive
Hello, nice Video. But could you compare the RTX 3080 (mobile) and the RTX 3080 ti (mobile) in benchmarks and also in games? This would be interesting. I totally miss that here on TheXvid.
I just ordered one of these, hoping it lives up to the specs I've been seeing.
Very impressive performance for a laptop indeed, just afraid how crazy expensive it will be. Nice showcase
@Animaster lol scalpers dont scalp a laptop Hahahha they pay hefty upfront price and have diminishing returns.
@Animaster laptops don’t really get scalped if ever. Manage to get the 15 inch (rtx3070) version of this laptop last year at release for msrp. Either way, $4000 is for the top of the line configuration, the i7 version will probably be $2000-$2500. Still a lot I know.
@Kenan Sadhu
That's the MSRP, you're gonna have to add whatever ridiculous markup the scalpers want to that.
~4000 usd
$4000, according to The Verge
The question is: can the laptop cool more than my desktop
4:57 Oh sorry I thought you were talking about a "mobile", but when the autonomy is a 1 digit number I wouldn't call it a "mobile", it's more like a "transportable" 😂
(Apple is probably having LOL while discovering this product...)
But would it last as long with the same amount of hardcore usage 🤔
Such a amazing informative video it is.
Im supper happy Intel has been able to keep up again with AMD, cause god knows what monster AMD is gonna announce this year to top this when they finally support DDR5
@aceofspades ...well at least until the 7000 series which AMD will intend to release well before Intel releases Raptor Lake.
Ryzen 6000 which uses DDR5 is only 5% faster than Ryzen 5000. And 20% slower than Intel 12th gen. AMD is DOA
AMD is going to launch their CPU version of Radeon 6500XT LOL
Man, you can feel how excited this boi really is.
I'm so Concerned about battery degradation or I would be more interested in replacing my desktop with a laptop of this caliber
That's good idea
I would hope a $4,000 laptop would perform well.
I have a MacBook Air its most likely faster then your desktop since it has the highest single core of any laptop still matching the 5950x desktop chip for single core and 3600 for multi while having fewer cores and no hyper threading windows pcs have to address the power throttling issues when you unplug them from the wall and there performance tanks so hard
Great performance - greater priced? 🤣
As long as it's not as bloated as Apple, potential great product.
You should start providing links to the wallpapers you use. They are really good.
I have no idea how one would productively use up all the processing power of an Intel Core 2 computer. Let alone Alder Lake!
It breaks my heart knowing I just bought an old-gen msi ge66 now that these ones are so much more powerful
@ChillWithRahn I think 1080p is fine but yeah qhd qould have been better
It's not worth the price man for so little of a performance gain and a 1080p screen. Why do this msi at least go qhd
Once day Intel should reach engine efficiency level as apple did , we will see it !
Not faster than my desktop, but very impressive for a laptop.
Just wondering, What do you do with the devices after reviewing is done ?
I'm so glad we have competition in this market
In Laptops i prefer efficiency over performance. Laptops nowadays have enough performance if you give it enough power, its about the efficiency that matter. The new Intel chips are a jump in performance, but i need to see the extended battery life to be worth my money.
Regarding the Blender Benchmark on MB Pro: almost guaranteed you got numbers from the emulated version. The new native version (alpha version) is way more faster.
And the Cinebench score seems also to be too low.
Overall: this system consumes so much power. Ridiculous much…
Intel will always be king 🔥
Well, now I have to change motherboards. RIP my wallet. Shout out to all my laptop warriors. You guys keep the industry from becoming lazy.
Every laptop is faster than my desktop, Dave
oof
Wanting INTEL to step up the game and the did it. Happy for them.
Nice to know: if you put all these components in an Alienware you get an BBQ functionality to!
I think these newer laptops are making it a little easier for people who wanna PC game without having to buy a crazy expensive prebuilt or paying way too much for a graphics card. Love seeing it.
My Ryzen powered desktop is almost twice as fast as this thing, so, no it is not. But still, mighty impressive!!
This laptop is faster than my desktop? Umm yeah Dave. Even a smartphone is faster than my desktop
My desktop is a pi400 idk why he has to kick me when im already laying on the ground
I get that comparing MacBooks with Windows machines is more apples to apples by comparing Premier Pro performance, but I think it’s worth mentioning that Final Cut Pro gives a massive performance bump on a Mac. For a lot of users, using Premier Pro for a comparison is akin to using a benchmarking tool because it doesn’t reflect the end performance that you can get by choosing the fastest software available on each system.
NIce. This is not a laptop. It seems more like a desktop replacement :D