How Much Quicker Is The Elizabeth line?

  • Published on May 9, 2022
  • With the new about to open, it will take just 29 minutes on the train between Paddington and Abbey Wood, which is fast ... but how does that breakdown to the time between the individual stops, and how long does it takes to make that same journey at the moment? Let's take some trips to find out!
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Comments • 890

  • Geoff Marshall
    Geoff Marshall  18 days ago +294

    * "Bin bag", dammit!

    • Ad Hoc
      Ad Hoc Day ago +1

      Bless. I'm so happy knowing that people in London will get somewhere five minutes quicker when 20 billion quid could probably have fed a good few families or rebuilt 2 or 3 local economies.

    • Mick Earp
      Mick Earp 13 days ago +1

      Geoff - Arriving back in the UK from Tasmania to see our son next week just before the official opening. So pleased to be there and booked our Travelcard (Used to be Twin Rover in my teens) so thanks for all your videos. The line is magnifiocent.
      Regards, Mick & Sandy

    • Alex Reed
      Alex Reed 14 days ago +2

      hey what is the app you used to show where the train is heading, can you highlight the app name for your viewers?

    • SkyskyllerPlayzGames
      SkyskyllerPlayzGames 14 days ago +3

      @Vasco2086Roblox Aw thats sad! 😿😵🪦

    • Frost6183
      Frost6183  15 days ago +3

      @Rod Krebs approx 20 mins

  • Pokhraj Roy
    Pokhraj Roy 18 days ago +593

    Tim Traveller, our Paris Correspondent, was such a delight to hear from. Crossrail is not part of the Tube methinks, it’s a new form of Trains.

    • Lodai974
      Lodai974 4 days ago

      @Jeff Schrader Exactly!! an hybrid suburban train ,like a commuter train in the suburbs,and like an heavy metro under the center of the city.

    • TalesOfWar
      TalesOfWar 6 days ago

      @geocachingwombles No. It isn't, It's needed and has been needed since the idea was originally floated decades ago. We can do both, the government just refuses to invest anywhere outside of the M25. They didn't even really want to invest in this either, this passed under the last Labour government as did HS2. If it was up to the Tories this would still be just being talked about while London grinds to a halt. The problem isn't lack of funds, the problem is lack of care from central government.

    • TalesOfWar
      TalesOfWar 6 days ago

      It's basically an S-Bahn that goes through the centre in tunnels. I'm hoping all future actual Underground lines (new ones of course, not extensions) are built to the same gauge and standard. It'll make it so much easier to retrofit them in the future and to get more off the shelf rolling stock. Look how adaptable the subsurface lines are because they were full standard main line loading gauge (because they were actually built as main lines). The trains are bigger and nicer and adding things like WiFi is much easier because the tunnel sizes allows them to install the radio equipment. As a side note I'd love to see proper underground systems built in other parts of the UK like Birmingham and Manchester. They absolutely need such things, Brum especially.

    • J P
      J P 10 days ago +1

      @Merijn Passchier I thought it was south - north.

    • Marcelo Benoit
      Marcelo Benoit 10 days ago

      The first section of the RER opened in december, 1969. The tunnel under central Paris was finished in 1977.

  • WorldAviation 4K
    WorldAviation 4K 17 days ago +94

    *Heathrow route would be interesting if the price is good*

    • ALI Al-kuwari
      ALI Al-kuwari 22 hours ago

      Heathrow station would have a £7 supplemental charge. Heathrow express unfortunately won’t go away…. Heathrow Connect maybe

    • J P
      J P 4 days ago +1

      ​@lem0nwings Piccadilly Line to Holborn then Central Line to Stratford.

    • Huffers
      Huffers 5 days ago +2

      @lem0nwings I live in Essex; I did Heathrow to home last week. Considering this thing is eventually supposed to get to Shenfield, I'm a fan, but I have a feeling they'll find a way to make that very, very, VERY expensive.

    • J P
      J P 9 days ago +1

      @lem0nwings It means 1 to 2 hours.

    • lem0nwings
      lem0nwings 13 days ago +2

      @1chiefg I never said 2 hours.

  • Doug Morton
    Doug Morton 18 days ago +279

    Not only will the Elizabeth Line save a lot of time for the people who use it, the new line will also reduce passenger numbers on the older infrastructure resulting in better journeys for everyone, even if you don’t use the Elizabeth Line!

    • Thomas
      Thomas 16 hours ago

      @Eutony Obviously! But TfL/LU can’t reduce an existing LU line in order to move staff over to the Elizabeth line, as was your suggestion.

    • Eutony
      Eutony 23 hours ago

      @Thomas both are humans. They can seek opportunities from either if they wish.

    • Thomas
      Thomas Day ago

      @Eutony Elizabeth line drivers are not employed by TfL or London Underground, so they can’t be moved around like you suggest. The train drivers and station staff are employed by MTR who operate the service.

    • Ralph Jackson
      Ralph Jackson 3 days ago

      Had a nice day out in London on Tuesday last week,though it was the hottest day of the year so far (26 C,79 F they reckoned) and crowded almost everywhere. Met up on the Euston concourse and took a lot of little Tube journeys around or near to the West End,and though I couldn't tell what effect if any Crossrail was having the trains ran as well and frequently as ever. British Museum,especially the Egyptian mummy section,and later dinner on the South Bank and a riverside stroll,before going our separate ways at Waterloo. Nice to be back visiting the capital.

    • Logical Network
      Logical Network 4 days ago

      Thats obvious lol

  • vhunte
    vhunte 18 days ago +167

    As a regular commuter I can confidently say the H&C to Liverpool Street / Farringdon is often delayed and held around Aldgate especially at rush hour, and I often have to wait 10 minutes for the train. Geoff is really overestimating how quick the current journey is. I'll definitely be taking Crossrail!

    • John H
      John H 8 days ago +1

      @J P not sure about that. I use it daily, coming home from work this week, waiting 15 mins for it to show up at Moorgate, and then 15 mins for it to reach Whitechapel. It’s quicker to walk. Crossrail will take 3 mins to cover that journey. I know what I’ll be using

    • LyricalWax
      LyricalWax 12 days ago +1

      @edward Nicholson well considering the distance between the 2 stations is just under a mile, and these are 2 major transport hubs with a ridiculous amount of people at peak times, and the cost for the journey is amongst the most expensive in the world (per mile), then yes waiting for 10 minutes and then being held in the tunnel, and finally arriving some 15 minutes later is worthy of complaint. One could even walk it quicker.

    • High Path
      High Path 17 days ago +1

      @Thomas Day This seems to have been a problem ever since the Metropolitan / Metropolitan District Days. Should the H and C be closed completely with more trains on the district and circle leaving Crossrail to take the entire Liverpool Street - Whitechapel segment ?

    • edward Nicholson
      edward Nicholson 17 days ago +1

      Wow a whole 10 minutes what a hardship

    • SomebodyOnce ToldMe
      SomebodyOnce ToldMe 17 days ago +3

      Yeah I was going to say that too. It usually takes me about 12-15 minutes to get from Whitechapel to Farringdon and from when I've actually boarded and that's after waiting for a Hammersmith and City train to actually arrive at Whitechapel!

  • JoeeeeD
    JoeeeeD 16 days ago +37

    Geoff, I love your passion for trains. It's a subject I never thought would interest me, but your enthusiasm makes learning about them fun and entertaining. As someone who doesn't live in London but sometimes needs to commute there, I've always found the Underground quite intimidating and confusing, but your videos have helped me see it differently and have made my journeys there much less stressful. Please don't stop releasing great content.

  • ingleacre
    ingleacre 18 days ago +111

    Crossrail is the mode type, Thameslink and Elizabeth are the lines, and I will die on this hill.
    (And yes this means Crossrail 2 should really be thought of as Crossrail *3* if we're thinking in terms of RER-type lines versus "The Tube"... Hey, I'm just following TfL's own precedent...)

    • J P
      J P 2 days ago +1

      @Will Neverforgets A slow train.

    • 3506Dodge
      3506Dodge 4 days ago +1


    • ingleacre
      ingleacre 4 days ago +1

      @Will Neverforgets My personal feeling is that "Overground" is a good brand for commuter lines that TfL runs (and may run in future). So that's the Euston-Watford line and Lea Valley lines. But in practice I think most people treat the Goblin and the main outer circle routes as de facto "the Tube" (even if the service frequency isn't quite there relative to the deep tunnel and SSR lines), so they should probably be rebranded into the Underground family with its own colour.

    • Will Neverforgets
      Will Neverforgets 4 days ago +1

      This sounds more like it. What is overground then?

    • Paul Sengupta
      Paul Sengupta 16 days ago +4

      @Mark Dibley Ah yes, of course!

  • samistrash
    samistrash 18 days ago +114

    I went to Abbey Wood recently and saw all the crossrail tests, they were going in and out very frequently

    • EngineeringVision
      EngineeringVision 11 days ago +1

      @J P Thank you captain obvious

    • J P
      J P 11 days ago +1

      @EngineeringVision That would not happen.

    • EngineeringVision
      EngineeringVision 16 days ago +1

      @Freddie Pearce Bristol could have an underground line. Maybe run it from Bedminster up Gloucester Road to Parkway or Abbey Wood.

    • Freddie Pearce
      Freddie Pearce 16 days ago +1

      @EngineeringVision we need our own metro. Thanks

    • EngineeringVision
      EngineeringVision 18 days ago +4

      It would be better if it actually went all the way to [Filton] Abbey Wood.

  • Make It With Calvin
    Make It With Calvin  17 days ago +24

    Coming from a tourist/crappy weather perspective even if the direct route takes a little longer I am willing to do a direct connection for simplicity. Overall, it looks like a great addition to London transport options.

    • skyblaze eterno
      skyblaze eterno 6 days ago +1

      thats a very good point. I think there are many travellers who prefer simplicity over time savings

  • K.o.R
    K.o.R 18 days ago +89

    I'd say both Thameslink and Crossrail are a similar type of transport to the RER.

    • Aaron
      Aaron 17 days ago +1

      I Agree, thameslink is also like the RER. london will have two ‘ReR’ railways once crossrail is open

    • jrevillug
      jrevillug 18 days ago +2

      Yeah. Both are long distance, cross-city commuter lines, with a cluster of stops in the dense city centre. Crossrail has the advantage, in comparison, of being an all-new construction rather than being cobbled together from a bunch of leftovers. :P

    • dbracer
      dbracer 18 days ago +1

      @Father Fountain Thameslink offers fast and semi fast services. The "stoppers" seem most comparable to me.

    • qjtvaddict
      qjtvaddict 18 days ago +3

      @Father Fountain thameslink is a crosstown line

    • Father Fountain
      Father Fountain 18 days ago +18

      Thameslink is weird though because outside of London it doesn't really operate as a commuter/suburban rail mostly but more as a regional/intercity rail. The trains up to 60 miles from the city centre and can reach speeds of 100mph. But then in the centre of London and inner city areas its very much operated like a tube line or a standard urban mainline train like southern, southeastern etc.
      Crossrail is much more comparable to a tube line than Thameslink is but they are both much more similar to the RER. I feel like crossrail can be seen as a sort of express tube line in a way like Thameslink can't

  • Japanese Train and Travel
    Japanese Train and Travel 17 days ago +22

    Exciting times to be in London! Despite living in Canada, I can feel all the energy building up towards the opening of the Elizabeth Line. Toronto’s major project - a light rail line which will cross the city - is dwarfed in comparison.

    • 20 something
      20 something 12 days ago +2

      Hey, every little helps! :) gotta start somewhere. Ps thanks for sharing, I’m looking up this project next 😂

  • Tony Chan
    Tony Chan 18 days ago +41

    Why is this so interesting??!?!?!!! I sporadically visit London, and just use the Underground to get around, like millions of other people. Don't really care about times because I'm not in a rush, but this information is soooooo fascinating! Top marks, Geoff!

    • Horizon301
      Horizon301 17 days ago +1

      @Tsz Fung Li the stations are incredible. I live in the south west and can tell that this line is hugely valuable to the country as a whole in terms of benefiting the economy.

    • Tsz Fung Li
      Tsz Fung Li 18 days ago +2

      Even if time is not a problem for you, new trains and stations give us a fresh modern look, and AC in summer. Both of them are rare in London

    • Mogster3
      Mogster3 18 days ago +7

      I don't even visit London and don't live anywhere nearby. Still weirdly interested in these videos.

  • dskadd32
    dskadd32 18 days ago +19

    Following this journey from Australia. It's really interesting. Can't wait to get back there and try the new line - which isn't a tube line.

    • Joanna
      Joanna 12 days ago

      which will cross the city - is dwarfed in comparison.

  • eftalanquest29
    eftalanquest29 18 days ago +78

    so judging from tim's explanation on what the rer is my judgement on what the elizabeth line is compared to what i know from my native germany is basically correct: it's an s-bahn line going through a city tunnel (think s-bahn stammstrecke munich or city tunnel leipzig)

    • Daniel Smith
      Daniel Smith 17 days ago +2

      Yeh if London was in Germany crossrail, would be an S-Bahn as would the Overground and Thameslink

    • Sam Aronow
      Sam Aronow 17 days ago +1

      It's like the Metro in Los Angeles, the BART in San Francisco, or the PATH in New York.

    • eftalanquest29
      eftalanquest29 18 days ago +2

      @DrumHeadV nah, there are other services that fit much more into the rb/re scheme.

    • eftalanquest29
      eftalanquest29 18 days ago +3

      @Pixoon Tube yeah, of course. i always considered the overground to be londons s-bahn, thameslink fits into this as well.

    • DrumHeadV
      DrumHeadV 18 days ago +4

      Based on the trains, it strikes me as more similar to the RE trains (Regionalbahn) which e.g. go through Berlin.

  • Steve Lovelace
    Steve Lovelace 18 days ago +30

    I always thought it was interesting how Paris (and most cities) have lines with letters or numbers, while London has whimsical names like Piccadilly and Bakerloo.

    • Lodai974
      Lodai974 4 days ago

      Japan follow your way of doing things for the metro (example: Ginza line-Shinjuku Line) and for suburban trains (Yamanote line, Keio Line, Tokaido Line, etc...).
      In Paris, originally, lines 12 and 13 were under the name of ("Nord-Sud") A and B because managed by a company competing with the CMP (former name of the RATP).
      The metro keeps the numbers (1-14 and until18 in the future) and the RER/Transilien keeps the letters (A to E, H, J to L etc....). In order not to be mistaken, all you have to do on the map is to draw a line between the departure station, the desired arrival station, and the terminus.
      Example: I am in Montparnasse M12 and I have to go to Abesses (Montmartre) so I take the M12 platform towards Aubervilliers ("Town hall" on May 31).
      In Chatelet les halles, the RER lines are marked RER A East or West, RER B/D North and South to facilitate the orientation of the platforms (Tim may be able to make a video on this kind of subject).

    • TalesOfWar
      TalesOfWar 6 days ago

      It's because the Underground was mostly built by separate companies competing with each other, while most other subway systems were built AS an actual network. They named the lines after the companies that owned them. By the time it was an actual network the names were already well established. On a more practical note, there are more names than there are letters or numbers (in an easy to understand at a glance sense), so it allows for easier expansion if they were to ever have more than 26 lines, though I doubt this was ever considered at the time haha. Saying you need to take the Jubilee line to Waterloo then get on the Northern to Euston is less confusing than say take Line 9 to X then get on Line 2 to Y.

    • olivier legendre
      olivier legendre 8 days ago

      @House Clearance Well except for the line 7 and 13 which have branches you don't need to know the 2 terminus stations of each metro line. Knowing only one is enough, the other one obviously going in the opposite direction.
      That's mostly how I have used the Paris metro in the first few years.
      Usually one terminus name of a metro line stands out more than the other terminus name of the same line, here are my "prefered" directions :
      1: La Défense
      2: Nation
      3: Levallois
      4: Clignancourt
      5: Italie
      6: Etoile
      7: Courneuve (branches...)
      8: Créteil
      9: none (can't decide)
      10: Austerlitz
      11: Châtelet
      12: none (can't decide)
      13: none (can't decide) (branches...)
      14: Olympiades
      So basically knowing from 10 to 14 names (and knowing their vague location on a Paris metro map) would enable you to find your way in the Paris metro without too much problem.
      Of course you also have the RER within Paris...

    • Lisa Mortini
      Lisa Mortini 13 days ago +2

      @House Clearance Agreed, I find the Paris system much more confusing... And I'm French!

  • Toran Shaw
    Toran Shaw 18 days ago +17

    Good to see another collab with Tim. 🙂
    I'm looking forward to part 2 of this video, when you do the same journey when the line actually opens!

  • Martin Brenner
    Martin Brenner 18 days ago +32

    I'd compare it to German S-Bahn, and there especially Berlin's Stadtbahn, the West-East diameter line. But the proportions of Crossrail are really massive. I hope to get a chance to visit London again in the future and see it myself. And I think the fact it has the purple roundel instead of red makes it clear enough it isn't just a tube line.

    • TalesOfWar
      TalesOfWar 6 days ago

      @House Clearance Kind of crazy that it takes longer to get from Manchester to Newcastle than it does to get from Manchester to London. We REALLY need a new high speed commuter line from west to east then up north. Looks like we're not going to get that for another 10 years at least now thanks to the government gutting the eastern leg of HS2 which the new NPR leg relied on.

    • Daniel Bliss
      Daniel Bliss 10 days ago +1

      We can call it the royalty roundel -- the traditional color of royalty symbolizing royal-grade service. (Excuse my US-issue autocorrect laptop on spellings...)

    • jerry2357
      jerry2357 17 days ago +1

      It more reminds me of the Munich S-Bahn, because it’s in tunnel, whereas the main east-west S-Bahn line through the centre of Berlin is elevated.

    • C R
      C R 17 days ago

      Yes we have the s-bahn here in Frankfurt and it seems to be something similar to the crossrail!

    • House Clearance
      House Clearance 18 days ago

      @Roderick Joyce Liverpool to Newcastle via Manchester, Leeds and York? That has to be Britain's first crossrail? Would Stalybridge be our Chatelet? or Bahnhof Friedrichstrasse?

  • CPlayzStuff
    CPlayzStuff 18 days ago +107

    I was just thinking of Geoff visiting the new stops on the Elizabeth line and 3 SECONDS LATER he uploaded this Video! These odds are almost impossible.

    • Cereal Port
      Cereal Port 18 days ago +1

      Geoff must be able to read your mind, it's the only logical explanation!

    • T H
      T H 18 days ago +2

      Mid May: non stop crossrail hype videos
      Mid June: I'll be used to using it and forget that it's even new

  • Darren
    Darren 8 days ago +2

    The other disruptive impact that this will have is that, in going straight from A to B without faffing on the underground, you could feasibly get an unbroken stream of work done on the train, as long as it's offline by the time you get to the underground bits.
    That is a huge quality of commute upgrade for those of us struggling to make commuting time productive time.

  • D T
    D T 16 days ago +8

    Great video Geoff, loved the cameo from Tim.
    What nobody has ever been able to answer for me however, is why it isn't a Thameslink line, or why Thameslink doesn't get rebranded to Crossrail. They're the same thing, one's just deep level whilst the other isn't*. Thameslink does go further out, but Reading isn't exactly any more 'London' than Peterborough is. Thameslink in the core has a similar frequency, and Crossrail at Reading will have a similar frequency (2 off peak) as we see at St Neots.
    For simplicity's sake, given the wealth of different modalities (Underground, Overground, Wombling Free, DLR, Tramlink) is already confusing to tourists and out of towners, should they not be merged?
    *Canal Tunnels are deep level, but you get my point.

    • John Haines
      John Haines 14 days ago

      It's about ownership, Thameslink is Network Rail, Crossrail is TfL/London Transport.
      I imagine it must be confusing to someone not used to it, especially someone from somewhere with no metro. I've lived in London all my life. I've been to Tokyo and had no problem understanding their network, but saw other people finding it very confusing.

  • Roller Baz and Coaster Dad

    Much quicker than our current route from King's Cross to Abbey Wood to visit family I expect! Also faster than a lot of Rollercoasters!

    • Pete S.
      Pete S. 17 days ago

      @Hamza Sadiq I think it would be much more refined than thameslink. Which seems to go slow through the core.

    • John Airey
      John Airey 18 days ago

      @c0wqu3u31at3r in the "core" though, much more frequent!

    • c0wqu3u31at3r
      c0wqu3u31at3r 18 days ago +6

      Thameslink with its massive... One train per hour

    • Hamza Sadiq
      Hamza Sadiq 18 days ago

      Isn't that just thameslink? Shouldn't it be comparable

    • Roller Baz and Coaster Dad
      Roller Baz and Coaster Dad 18 days ago

      Ha, transport museum socks star in all our London theme park vlogs!

  • Ewan Haas
    Ewan Haas 11 days ago +1

    I did my work experience building these trains on the factory floor, in Derby, back in 2018. So I look forward to seeing the line open!

  • Will Tucker
    Will Tucker 18 days ago +11

    From memory, various stage openings of RER Line A in early 1970s attracted much comment as to why London wasn’t doing something similar. That might have led to resurrecting the Crossrail concept in the 1975 London Rail Study.
    Big timesaver will be Paddington to Liverpool St which was always a painful trek when arriving on WR express services and fighting along the old narrow passage to the Circle Line platform before it was widened out.

  • FL
    FL 18 days ago +3

    It's worth adding that the journey time on Crossrail from Reading to Paddington is very significantly slower than the mainline trains.
    There's a relatively short walk to underground trains in Paddington too, particularly for the circle line, so journey times from Reading to a number of central London stations isn't really reduced

  • trainlagged
    trainlagged 18 days ago +8

    The RER and Crossrail are essentially the same thing. They act like a faster metro within the city, but they are full-size trains (just with a high frequency).

  • Neil's Cars, Aviation & Travel

    This is interesting as it’s the first time I’ve seen timings from Liverpool Street to Paddington. 11 mins is impressive as to get to LHR I normally have to either use Vic and Piccadilly line from Tottenham Hale (very slow) or circle line to Paddington which involves a lot of walking.
    I’ll be trying it out on 21st June so will be interesting what my door-to-door time is from LHR to home.

  • Noé3151775
    Noé3151775 17 days ago +6

    Thanks Geoff and Tim! I lived in Paris for a couple of years and the RER, though very practical, has quite a negative connotation (ie systematically overcrowded and unsafe). But I'm sure that Crossrail will be the better and more enjoyable version of the RER, and I look forward to riding it!

      MUHOHAHA 16 days ago +1

      It depends on the line.. the RER A going from one very posh neighbourhood on one side to DisneyLand on the other is perfectly safe… the RER D spanning one dodgy hell hole to another is another story

    • Malcolm Hartney
      Malcolm Hartney 16 days ago

      I think you mean that RER in Paris is "unsafe" as it goes to "edgy" suburbs. It is not that the trains are unsafe.

  • xander10
    xander10 18 days ago +13

    even compared to a train currently from paddington to abbey wood, crossrail is 41 minutes quicker than the current quickest option

    • TalesOfWar
      TalesOfWar 18 days ago +5

      I imagine the link to Heathrow in to central London is going to be especially popular and will probably kill the express to Paddington. It'll take about as long but will be cheaper and far more frequent, not to mention easier to change to other lines.

  • Multiplio
    Multiplio 18 days ago +2

    I did this journey too a few weeks back, just so that when it opens I can say how much faster my (completely pointless) journey is to Abbey Wood. Took me 5h35 though, so crossrail will result in my journey times being reduced by 91%!
    To be fair I did stop at each station to try and find all the currently blocked off entrances and exits (Bond Street being the hardest!), and I went to all the footbridges over the overground bits, and at one point got completely distracted and got a 455 to Peckham Rye as they won't be around much longer... might explain why it took so long thinking about it

  • Annie Soernym
    Annie Soernym 18 days ago

    Thanks for this comparison, Geoff! It shows very well which stations/connections will probably be useful (and much used) in future. Great stuff as always! 👍🏻

  • David Beddard-Banks
    David Beddard-Banks 18 days ago +22

    With that comparison to the RER (great to see Tim pop up, by the way), it makes me wish Crossrail had had the foresight to make Elizabeth Line double decker.

    • Lodai974
      Lodai974 4 days ago

      @Alain DUMAS no, the loss of time is greater. We went from 30 trains/h with the single decker, to 26 trains/h with the double decker. The space saving, seated (I specify), is lost by the lower number of trains.
      we have lost the number of doors (more important than the size, because people pile up in front of the doors preventing them from going out to have a seat).
      The Mi2N/09 have 30 doors per side (on a UM2), the Mi84 had 32 (UM2), and the MS61, 36 (UM3).
      The RATP didn't really want a Double decker train, it was the region that lobbied...and it still is. The RATP would have preferred a "neo MS61" with a mix of transverse and longitudinal seats.

    • Alain DUMAS
      Alain DUMAS 14 days ago

      @Japanese Train and Travel Double decker trains need larger doors and then work fine.

    • Alain DUMAS
      Alain DUMAS 14 days ago +1

      @Chris Denham Single deck operations will be faster but won't carry as many. RER went from offering 13014 seats per hour on 27 single deck MI84 to 23504 seats on 26 double decks MI2N. Travel time penalty for the extra capacity is 3 seconds per stop in average.

    • David Beddard-Banks
      David Beddard-Banks 15 days ago

      @iiExplosionz12 Yes, but these are new tunnels that they made too small. Still, there are other legitimate reasons why they chose to do it this way.

    • iiExplosionz12
      iiExplosionz12 16 days ago

      Because of the height of the tunnels are too low and they would then have to rebuild and adjust the tunnelling to maximise the headroom. Not to mention about the high budget costs as well...

  • Enrico Monti
    Enrico Monti 17 days ago +4

    This new line reminds me about the passante suburban railway line (that's how they call it) in Milan, which allows suburban trains to cross over Milan without needing to change at either the main stations in Cadorna, Milano Centrale, or in Porta Garibaldi. But that's been opened a few decades earlier.

  • Tim Sully
    Tim Sully 17 days ago +1

    Hi Geoff! My goodness, it’s almost upon us! 😎 Nice to see a gratuitous Woolwich Arsenal shot and a bit of the DLR which covers a fair part of our regularTFL jaunt from West Ham to Charlton when we go to home games 😜
    It is astonishing just how much traffic this line would seem likely to relieve from other lines all along it’s route. Interesting too that of course the main beneficiaries are those travelling into London, and not so much people already in London travelling around it. Although specific journeys will be easier (as you illustrated) I think the main benefit will be that the kind of near crush you encountered at Tottenham Ct Rd will be eased considerably, not least because it will indirectly replicate the already rammed Central Line to a major degree. Another thing is the size of the trains mean those wanting to use Paddington, Heathrow, etc, will have more space for luggage, etc. 🤔
    Always great to see your French correspondent (😂😅🤣) crop up on your videos. I though it interesting that the chap in the meeting said it wasn’t a tube line but more like the RER system in France, as though this use of through tunnels is a new thing. I immediately thought, “ah yes, you mean the idea the French took from the District Railway to run trains through from Ealing Broadway to Southend and the Metropolitan via the Widened lines…seems perhaps inspiration nearer home got overlooked sadly and it took the foresight of another country to replicate our earlier achievements to wake our bods up to it 🙄
    Ah well, at least it got built. Annoyingly I can’t go to the opening day but I shall certainly ensure I take a trip soon, even though ironically, we’ll actually add to our journey to go out of our way to do so for now! 😂
    Cheers mate, great fun as ever 👍🍀🍻

  • Tony Gibbs
    Tony Gibbs 17 days ago

    Thanks very much Geoff for doing these timings.
    I remember pre-pandemic journeys from Paddington to Liverpool Street on the H&C being about 11 minutes, which seems comparable to what the Elizabeth Line is promising.
    But the Elizabeth Line should be great. I hope to ride it in the future. 🙂

  • Mikey
    Mikey 17 days ago +6

    Considering how much it’s cost, how much extra it cost and how long we’ve been waiting for the Purpline to open I should hope it’s bloody quicker, although, being a UK train line, I’m wondering how long it’ll take for it to break down or suffer delays due to signalling works or track maintenance or leaves on the line or vandalism or engineering works or…

  • The Growl
    The Growl 18 days ago +21

    Why does no one compare Crossrail to London's RER that's existed since the 80s - Thameslink?

      RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 17 days ago

      It actually makes so much sense to compare those two as well.
      Thameslink is a great 'realtively' undercover way to cross London North to South
      And it even has a 24hour service at the weekends lol

  • Lizardlord Lord of lizards

    Great vid, Geoff. Really lets one get an idea of just how useful and necessary this line is.I think it's going to transform travel in London. What is your take on the proposed Crossrail 2 route?

  • GGX
    GGX 18 days ago +2

    If the Elizabeth line were to be extended to Dartford in the future do you think it would run fast services compared to existing services like how it skips plumstead?

  • sinistregoth
    sinistregoth 18 days ago +1

    Been waiting for this for so long- have actually worked down the hole in Paddington when they were building it- checked how much time my most common journey will be cut.... arrive at Paddington on the Cotswold Line, get to Docklands via Canary Wharf- DLR.....
    Cutting out changing from Bakerloo to Jubilee.....and there appears to be no time saving at all when you factor in the increased walking time 😭
    Still think it will be a better journey- cant wait to try! 😃👍

  • Simon S.
    Simon S. 18 days ago +21

    The Metropolitan line, the Bakerloo to Watford or the outer ends of the Central line are also just suburban rail lines that were connected underground. Of course nowadays noone sees it as a main-line train anymore, but I don't see that big a difference to the Elizabeth line. Of course the Elizabeth has fewer stops, but express metros are a thing elsewhere

    • Annabel Smyth
      Annabel Smyth 16 days ago

      @Norbiton Flyer I did indeed mean Baker Street, not Bakerloo!

    • Norbiton Flyer
      Norbiton Flyer 17 days ago

      @Annabel Smyth I think you mean the Baker Street - Watford section, and yes they do. They also share with main line trains (Chiltern)

    • Annabel Smyth
      Annabel Smyth 17 days ago +1

      @wasmic5z Thank you

    • wasmic5z
      wasmic5z 17 days ago +1

      @Annabel Smyth The Met only has fast trains during rush hour in the peak direction nowadays, but it used to have fast trains throughout the day.

    • Simon S.
      Simon S. 17 days ago

      @English Cider Lover true, but I mean it's still the Watford DC line that it travels on, together with National Rail (Overground)

  • Networker465
    Networker465 18 days ago

    Great video Geoff, I really can't wait until this opens! Every station just looks really amazing!
    Thanks for the video : )
    Just 2 weeks from now until the Elizabeth Line opens as of writing this comment

  • Dean Platt
    Dean Platt 15 days ago

    Hey Geoff, another brilliant video from yourself on the new Elizabeth Line, which I am really excited to try out after it opens on 24th May, it was great insight to the journey times, it is so much more which most of us know why it isn’t a Tube line as it is National Rail which goes underground hence the name Crossrail I look forward to more of your videos! 😊👍

  • Motion Mode - Flight and Train Travel Reports

    I love that transition from a 1996 stock to a Z20500 train. Would be nice if London had an "RER" of both the thameslink and crossrail lines.

  • Chris Krebill
    Chris Krebill 17 days ago

    Omg! Tim! I love when Tim and Geoff work together for videos! Some of my favorite European TheXvidrs (plus the Southerner and Nonstop Eurotrip)! Thank you for sharing and educating!

  • Crepnick
    Crepnick 18 days ago +4

    Abbey Wood will be having the first Elizacrosspurple line train! 06:30 compared to 06:33 at Paddington

  • Bijoy Kochar
    Bijoy Kochar 15 days ago +1

    Having lived near LCY for a long time, DLR sucks for time sensitive commutes! It's the only choice in east London, but the low frequency and change coordination is seriously crippling.

  • Bruno's Transport Journeys

    Excellent video Geoff! I cannot wait to go on the Cross/Eliz/Purple train. I went to visit the new Canary Wharf Elizabeth Line on the 24th April and it looks brilliant.

  • Tony Cook
    Tony Cook 17 days ago +1

    Great video Geoff, you say it's 29 minutes from Abbey Wood to Paddington on the purple train, would have been interesting to see the quickest journey time for the whole trip using current connections.

  • Pokhraj Roy
    Pokhraj Roy 18 days ago

    This feels like the Quarter Final of the 1st Phase of #CrossElizPurpLine ! Also, the trains seems awesome 👏🏽

  • Lorna Dougal
    Lorna Dougal 18 days ago

    I've based myself in Paddington the last few times I've been down. Seeing the purple roundel along with all the works happening just made me want it all to hurry up. I should hopefully be down in the summer and looking forward to purple trains.
    Although my brother has kinda set me a challenge of going on every line with no repeating stations 😂 Maybe not that summer trip as it's a flying visit.

  • Richard McCarthy
    Richard McCarthy 18 days ago +6

    One observation from someone who used to use the Paris RER. I agree if you at or going to one of the stations on the new line, it is clearly quicker. However my experience was if you were already on the tube/metro it could be as quick to stay on the tube and if required change rather than have an additional and an additional wait to travel on the new line

    • Tim Reay
      Tim Reay 15 days ago

      Yes. The question some have asked is whether people who currently travel in from north west London on the Jubilee Line to Canary Wharf will want to change at Bond Street to the Elizabeth Line. Will the time spent changing trains be made up by the faster journey from Bond Street to Canary Wharf, and/or being able to avoid the crush if you were a standing passenger on the Jubilee Line train?

  • Joshua Fawcett
    Joshua Fawcett 18 days ago +9

    When I visited London for the first time, I made the mistake of being at Canary Wharf Jubilee Line at peak times, it wasn't ideal lol.

  • Roxana Chu
    Roxana Chu 15 days ago

    Love the video.. wish this is a guided tour.. would had been fun to do it with a group.. 🤓

  • Paul Barton
    Paul Barton 13 days ago +1

    Thanks for inviting Phillip and for advertising the magazine. I would not have bought this magazine, if it wasn't for this mention! I am looking forward to reading the supplement!

  • Annabel Smyth
    Annabel Smyth 18 days ago +3

    I'm still cross that we're going to be away on opening day! Can't be helped, though. And Tim, much as I love him, made an uncharacteristic mistake - line A of the RER was open in 1973, as I used to take it to visit friends! I am not sure when the two ends of the line joined up, though - I left Paris in 1975, and I honestly can't remember whether they'd joined up by then or not.

    • Furitokama
      Furitokama 16 days ago +1

      The Central underground stations of the RER A opened in serveral phases between 1969 and 1977 and the full east-west cross wasn't possible until the opening of the section in December 1977.
      That's why 1977 is used as the birth date of the RER even if several station were indeed already open.
      1969 : Nation
      1970 : La Défense and Charles de Gaulle-Etoile,
      1971 Auber
      1977 : Chatelet-les-Halles and Gare de Lyon.

  • Lark Lemon Travel
    Lark Lemon Travel 17 days ago

    Love this video as yes some parts of London are a nightmare as you feel your going round a maze to get to a stop that you could just jump over too. 👍

  • ToolkiT73UK
    ToolkiT73UK 13 days ago

    Great to see Tim on your channel again.. love the potential of the purple line.. but doubt anyone will take it from Reading.. you'll be faster to take the fast train to Paddington and chance to purple there.. but anyone between Reading and Paddington will benefit off course :)

  • David Newton
    David Newton 18 days ago +8

    If nothing else there will be ENORMOUS time savings when there are big conference events on at the ExCel. The DLR station there rivals Bombay super-dense crush busy-ness sometimes at the moment!

  • Leo Starrenburg
    Leo Starrenburg 18 days ago +8

    Nice to see you discussing times between trains of 4 and 2½ minutes. The (Dutch) village I live in has an hourly bus service (weekdays 07:00~23:00) with 4 buses/hour during commute times. Still a lot better than no public transport at all.

    • Roderick Joyce
      Roderick Joyce 15 days ago

      @george birchall I live in Newcastle. Bus and train services along the A1/East Coast Main Line corridor to Berwick and through the Tyne Valley are at least acceptable and often quite good. But if you are heading into the interior of Darkest Northumberland or the Borders ... and travelling to Cairnryan for the ferries to NI takes hours longer than travelling to London or Bristol.

    • george birchall
      george birchall 15 days ago

      A friend of mine wanted to travel to a village in Northumberland. When he rang to ask for bus times, he was told "Every Thursday" (Market day)! One bis an hour seems like overkill compared to that.

    • Roderick Joyce
      Roderick Joyce 18 days ago +1

      @Gill Chatfield I used to live in a village in Northamptonshire which had an hourly bus service to Northampton. A neighbouring village had one bus every three weeks to Kettering.

    • BostonUnitedFM
      BostonUnitedFM 18 days ago

      @Gill Chatfield Fellow Lincolnshire yellowbelly 😁

    • Gill Chatfield
      Gill Chatfield 18 days ago +1

      Try Lincolnshire! One bus an hour maximum. Nothing after 7.30pm (just one route), and nothing Sundays and Bank Holidays.

  • Sam Power
    Sam Power 15 days ago +1

    You should have your own documentary the whole video style and production values!

  • jake
    jake 17 days ago +1

    3:40 Hi Geoff - I was wondering if you change to the Elizabeth line from the DLR at West India Quay then would this charge you for two separate journey’s since there is no interconnector shown on the map (vs it counting as a single journey if you change at Canary Wharf DLR)?

  • Joe Grey
    Joe Grey 18 days ago

    While I agree that it's more like an RER, the Metropolitan line is essentially a suburban railway with a short bit underground, so isn't hugely different. But whatever it is, it'll be a game changer.

  • S Lewis
    S Lewis 18 days ago

    Thanks Geoff, your video was highly illustrative... just goes to show how utterly TRANSFORMATIONAL the Elizabeth line will be.

  • PRAR Rennie
    PRAR Rennie 18 days ago +1

    To be a fare comparison you should do the entrance to exit times. This will take into account the huge depth you have to descend and the miles of connecting corridors to be navigated. I often do Farringdon to Whitechapel and I think I'll be sticking to the H&C.

  • pirate1012
    pirate1012 17 days ago +3

    Some journeys will be significantly better, Paddington to Canary Wharf for example. Right now it is hellish.

  • luke curr
    luke curr 16 days ago +1

    Geoff's confidence is proper inspiring. Especially for a man speaking aloud on a London tube!

  • John Taylor
    John Taylor 17 days ago

    Well they'll be a lot of 'newcomers' transiting across London from the regions, or coming in to the railway termini stations, airports, etc..
    People who, hithertofor, may have made other arrangements for bypassing London,
    - a common alternative that comes first to mind has been the M25 by car.
    I have questioned a lot of people on this during my 'all the counties'.

  • bcvbb hyui
    bcvbb hyui 9 days ago

    With that comparison to the RER (great to see Tim pop up, by the way), it makes me wish Crossrail had had the foresight to make Elizabeth Line double decker.

  • Shauka Hodan
    Shauka Hodan 10 days ago

    With that comparison to the RER (great to see Tim pop up, by the way), it makes me wish Crossrail had had the foresight to make Elizabeth Line double decker.

  • Floris
    Floris 8 days ago

    Everytime I'm in London I travel from St Pancras International to Paddington on the Circle line that stops a few times. I wonder if going to Farringdon and then Paddington by the Elizabeth line would be quicker. Has anyone tested that yet?

  • Travels with Jess
    Travels with Jess 18 days ago +3

    Brilliant video Geoff! I can't wait for the opening on the 24th May :)

  • Luke Albanese
    Luke Albanese 17 days ago

    Geoff, you need to consider that behaviourally interchange time is at least twice the perceived value of real time, so a huge advantage to CXR compared to anything else.

  • Keith Kellogg
    Keith Kellogg 16 days ago

    Geoff! Enjoyed this one - what a great cameo. So I’ve thought on this a while. Train or tube, rail or line. My answer? Neither, both. I echo a bunch of the statements made already below. It is wholly unique - the Elizabeth Rail Line. Cheers

  • ianm42yt
    ianm42yt Day ago

    Munich's S-Bahn system is similar - full size trains spreading out to about 13 outlying locations, with all routes sharing a single tunnel through the city centre. A second parallel tunnel is being built slightly to the north to allow more frequent services. There is already less than 2 minutes between trains though the tunnel The city centre stations all link to one or more underground lines, plus the tram network on the surface. All work on a single ticket system.

  • To Mag
    To Mag 15 days ago +2

    8:22 Pretty sure walking Farringdon - Chancery Lane and then Central Line would be quicker than waiting for thameslink and then walking to St. paul’s. Geoff must really love his thameslink

  • Chris Bailey
    Chris Bailey 18 days ago

    Every time I've used the RER in Paris (to go from Gard du Nord to La Defense) I've fallen foul of dual ticketing, different price if RER v Metro, so different ticket, but trying to buy the RER ticket has beaten me every time. Each time I play the ignorant Brit and every time they let me through, but it's such a hassle, glad we will not have this in London.

  • bl. jackkk
    bl. jackkk 18 days ago +8

    This means I now have 3 ways of getting home avoiding HS1
    From Victoria (roughly 50 mins)
    TL (Roughly 1hr 30mins)
    Purp train + TL (gonna guess 55 mins - 1hr if good changes) so this is gonna be exciting

    • bl. jackkk
      bl. jackkk 17 days ago +1

      @Rashid Chinery don't wanna disclose exactly where I am but it's not past Rainham

    • Rashid Chinery
      Rashid Chinery 17 days ago +1

      Where to?

  • ShockingParadise
    ShockingParadise 18 days ago +8

    Hey Geoff. That's excellent content! Can you explain what the Overground compares to, if the Elizabeth line compares more to the RER? Paris has two systems, Berlin too (S and U Bahn) but London has three systems (Overground, Underground and the Purple line). Quite confusing to me, someone who doesn't live in London. Maybe an idea for a video?

      PETER GREEN 4 days ago

      And they way they implemented oyster on tramlink is just plain confusing.

      PETER GREEN 4 days ago

      @Ceph Al O'Pod Yeah, better than it used to be, though there is still a significant premium for "mixed mode" journeys over "rail only" or "TfL only" journeys.

    • Ceph Al O'Pod
      Ceph Al O'Pod 5 days ago

      @PETER GREEN This seems like a good summary. I don't mind the hodgepodge given that London like most cities has developed over time instead of being planned out in one go. The important thing is to have a good level of integration from the passenger's point of view, in terms of fares etc. It seems like Oyster has made this better than it used to be.

    • Roller Baz and Coaster Dad
      Roller Baz and Coaster Dad 18 days ago +5

      We already had three before this in London though, overground, underground and wombling free*.
      *Where the wombles made a lot of money in the 70s and 80s and moved to docklands.

      PETER GREEN 18 days ago +5

      The overground is a bunch of commuter/suburban rail services that were taken over and re-branded by Transport for London.
      You also have.
      Thameslink, a RER-like running on a north/south axis through the city center.
      The Docklands light railway, a low-budget (at least initially) metro service serving the docklands area of london, initially it ran on a mixture of old railway alignments and new elevated sections on concrete viaducts. Underground sections were later added as well.
      Tramlink, a tram service in Croyden with street running, but also with sections running along old railways lines.
      And of course a bunch of regular mainline rail services.
      All in all it's a bit of a mess, lots of lines built by different companies at different times and then re-jigged to meet changing demands from passengers and politicians.

  • Mr Scanimates
    Mr Scanimates 13 days ago

    Geoff I really like the B07 dlr trains (the one u rode to custom house)
    Also I’m excited to see the new stations open on the Elizabeth line

  • Bob's Rail Relics
    Bob's Rail Relics 18 days ago

    Fun but relevant. And great to see Tim. Can't wait to see this in action when I am up in September.

  • TalesOfWar
    TalesOfWar 18 days ago +5

    Got to love how a 5 minute wait is such a surprising thing for Londoners. I wish the rest of the country had this problem with our crappy public transport lol.

    • Tris Sharp
      Tris Sharp 17 days ago

      It's not really that surprising outside of rush hour on a good day, tbh. With the number of delays and setbacks London's existing transport services have (read: many, as they're underfunded) 5 minutes is hopeful.
      Trains are often so packed that you need to wait for a couple to go by before you can catch one, too. Fun!

  • CyberWomble
    CyberWomble 18 days ago +1

    Wouldn't it have been quicker to walk from Farringdon to Chancery Lane? Admittedly I haven't been to London in 15 years (so maybe things have changed a lot) but when I worked at Farringdon it was normal to do that.

  • Edward Sira Clarkson
    Edward Sira Clarkson 18 days ago +8

    hey Geoff, this video should be the fewest changes possible on the route,not necessarily with this point checking mode, I would just go from dlr and one simple change at west ham for J or HM lines and additional for Bond ST, I'll just change at Stratford or Mile End for Central line

    • Katrina Bryce
      Katrina Bryce 18 days ago +2

      Also, consider that for example a lot of people going from Bond Street to Paddington would just get on the Bakerloo at Oxford Circus rather than go to Bond Street and change, especially if your starting point is between the two stations.

  • weetikissa
    weetikissa 14 days ago

    As someone who lives in the NL and visited London only once, this video really drives home the point for me. A good break-down of what's going to improve and how.

  • Henrys Adventures
    Henrys Adventures 18 days ago +2

    Looking forward to trackbashing on CrossRail in two weeks from today! :)

  • Barrie Shepherd
    Barrie Shepherd 18 days ago +10

    Such a shame the route could not manage a station or connection via Kings Cross St. Pancras. 😒😒 It would have linked the two International travel hubs of London - LHR and St. Pancras.

    • Barrie Shepherd
      Barrie Shepherd 17 days ago +2

      @casey I have but it will probably not be in my lifetime 😏 😐😐😐

    • casey
      casey 17 days ago +1

      Looks like you haven't heard of crossrail 2 yet then.

    • Cholloway00
      Cholloway00 18 days ago +1

      @Barrie Shepherd There will be provision for Crossrail 2 at King's Cross/St. Pancras/Euston under the British Library.

    • Barrie Shepherd
      Barrie Shepherd 18 days ago

      @Tony Naggs I know that but it's not exactly a convenient interchange - lots of walking especially if you are lugging suite cases. It looks as though Paddington H&C to KX St.P will remain my routing.

    • Tony Naggs
      Tony Naggs 18 days ago

      Farringdon station connects with Thameslink trains, 1 stop north to (Kings Cross) St Pancras and Thameslink also serves Gatwick Airport & Luton Airport Parkway stations.

  • Michael Sebastian Todd
    Michael Sebastian Todd 18 days ago +2

    awesome work i cant wait for this to open now and i cant wait to try it out after it opens

  • Owen Stockwood
    Owen Stockwood 18 days ago

    For comparison, having checked Google maps, if you just want to get from Abbey Wood to Paddington via a direct route via current services, it would take 56 minutes with a train to London Bridge, the Jubliee line to Baker Street, then either Bakerloo, Circle or Hammersmith & City line, depending on what's first, to Paddington.

  • strafrag1
    strafrag1 17 days ago

    Great video, love this stuff! Does anyone know if Crossrail will take riders away from other lines or don't they care? Cheers.

    • Ceph Al O'Pod
      Ceph Al O'Pod 5 days ago

      I guess it will take people off the Central Line and that will be seen as a good thing

  • Renaissance
    Renaissance 10 days ago

    11:25 Yes the Elizabeth line is like the RER in Paris. And it's also like the Thameslink in London that we've had for a while now!

  • Valerie Torreggiani
    Valerie Torreggiani 2 days ago

    PS the excitement of the travellers and staff was brilliant!

  • Robbie Morrison
    Robbie Morrison 18 days ago +8

    I’m on a supported internship and work 3 days a week at Paddington, can now direct people on the purple train towards Liverpool Street and avoid the tube!

    EVILBUNNY28 16 days ago

    Having used the Elizabeth line to get form reading to Paddington I can safely assure you I would never be using it again. It took over an hour to get to Paddington, when you can just as easily catch a GWR train to Paddington and change to the underground there. The time save is much worth the "hassle" (if you could even call it that) of switching.

  • Florian W. Barbarino
    Florian W. Barbarino 18 days ago +1

    Well that was a nice surprise. A familiar face. Great video as always. Will have to come to London to check out the system myself

  • alanaj5
    alanaj5 18 days ago

    Looking at the new tube map with the new line, I was disappointed that the disability access on the North East portion of the Elizabeth line is not step free to train, only to platform.

  • NorbyZERO
    NorbyZERO 18 days ago +6

    Sweet! Another Tim Traveller collaboration or in this instance more like onsite location correspondent.

  • raabcv
    raabcv 17 days ago

    Ok I wasn’t really expecting the Time Trav- uh, Tim Traveller but I love the collaboration. More please!

  • London Bridge Signalman

    It would be interesting to know where Driver changeovers take place on the Purp. Thameslink, the north/south Crossrail, are plagued with issues of Driver relief. Trains arriving at Blackfriars/London Bridge and the relieving driver delayed on a late running train in the opposite direction. Will Purp's drivers drive end to end or do they changeover mid journey?

  • Pete FlintMurray
    Pete FlintMurray 17 days ago

    Brilliant video, loved Tim’s section being slotted in.

  • Mark Flack
    Mark Flack 18 days ago +11

    While I am sure it will be a game changer for travel around London, I think that it cost far too much money, as someone not living in London I wish we could see this level of investment in other parts of the UK, but of course that will not happen.

    • Christopher Wright
      Christopher Wright 15 days ago

      @Paul McHutchison I was replying to Kevin Jones.

    • Paul McHutchison
      Paul McHutchison 17 days ago

      @Christopher Wright my point is that it *is* buying improved connections elsewhere through a greatly reduced cross-London transfer time

    • Christopher Wright
      Christopher Wright 17 days ago

      The point is what that fortune could buy in transportation elsewhere, not whether it could buy the *same* solution there.

    • Kevin Jones
      Kevin Jones 18 days ago +3

      London is helped by having the right geology oof London Clay and chalk that allows relatively easy tunnelling without flooding. Most Midland or northern cities sit on permeable Triassic or Carboniferous sandstones, very difficult to tunnel through.

    • Paul McHutchison
      Paul McHutchison 18 days ago +5

      It'll make a huge difference to people making journeys between Essex/Suffolk/Norfolk and Reading/Oxford/Bristol/South Wales and the South West of England. That's an awful lot of people benefitting from something that is perceived as just for Londoners!