What's Happening With The Northern Line Extension?

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  • The Northern line is growing - with two new stations at Nine Elms and Battersea.
    But how and when? This explainer animation tells you what you need to know.

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  • Milo The Norfolk terrior

    r/woosh

  • C - S
    C - S 2 days ago +1

    the northern line really really should be two lines...

  • Rubik
    Rubik 3 days ago +1

    they would better extend from Stockwell

  • Tonydjjokerit
    Tonydjjokerit 3 days ago

    well done for the vid Londonist!!RESPECT!!

  • TheSionThomas
    TheSionThomas 3 days ago

    Ha, unaffordable housing. Subtle. 👍👍👍

  • Michael Ball
    Michael Ball 3 days ago

    I'm sure that Pigs have flown over Battersea before it gets a tube station station

  • roblox president5
    roblox president5 4 days ago +2

    It would be good if it was extended to Clapham.

  • B F
    B F 5 days ago +2

    Those who cannot afford South London and are complaining. Look at North East London, admittedly still not cheap, but cheaper than the rest of London. ( Woodford Green, Clayhall, Gants Hill)

  • Humphrey Reader
    Humphrey Reader 9 days ago +1

    I went to London about a fortnight ago (before the coronavirus restrictions really took hold) and found no mention of this new bit of Northern Line on the tube maps - surely by now they'd have the new branch in dotted lines with the caption 'Under construction: due to open 2021'.

  • Lucy Wallis
    Lucy Wallis Month ago +1

    Probably gonna be a silly question since I haven't lived in London for 11 yrs and never have worked there but why does the northern line need to go to Clapham Junction? Clapham already has 3 Northern Line Stations people could just use one of them couldn't they? Maybe it'll require getting a bus but still other people in London get the bus to the tube

  • Mandy Douglas
    Mandy Douglas Month ago +1

    WoW you’re smart

  • Oliver Brelsford
    Oliver Brelsford Month ago +3

    But surely you don't need that extension to Clapham because you could just change at Waterloo???

  • Reece Collison
    Reece Collison Month ago +2

    I struggle to see how Nine Elms and Battersea will be entirely zone 1 stations, with Vauxhall being further north than the two and being on the border of 1 and 2 how would they show that on the map 🤔 and Battersea Park which is fully in Zone 2.

  • rusdove56
    rusdove56 Month ago +2

    It's insane to have added this extension to the already overcrowded and over-complicated Northern Line. A link to the Victoria Line at Vauxhall would have made much more sense.

  • Lee Claxton
    Lee Claxton 2 months ago +1

    If I was in charge, I would extend the Bakerloo Line south eastwards to Greenwich, via Loughborough Junction, Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye, Nunhead, New Cross Gate, and New Cross. Northern Line extension is not needed.

  • Livvy Hackett
    Livvy Hackett 2 months ago +2

    Seriously? Nice!

  • Richard Donovan
    Richard Donovan 2 months ago +3

    Why is South London so poorly served by tube? Wouldn’t a much more useful extension be the Victoria Line south from Brixton through Norbury and Thornton Heath to East Croydon to relieve the awful commuter pressure on National Rail?

  • Natalie Robyn
    Natalie Robyn 2 months ago +3

    Just split the Northern line into two, damn it

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      Natalie Robyn Was thinking of Charing Cross & City Line or Morgan Line (Battersea Power Station-Edgware) and the current Northern Line (Morden-High Barnet & Finchley Central-Mill Hill East).
      Or the current Northern Line (Battersea Power Station-Edgware) and the new Bank & City Line (Morden-High Barnet and Finchley Central-Mill Hill East).

  • lynne bilasa
    lynne bilasa 2 months ago +1

    wow,There are more stations now!

  • Dairy Malk
    Dairy Malk 2 months ago +1

    This is not Geoff

    • Dairy Malk
      Dairy Malk 2 months ago

      I love to be funny but no.

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      Dairy Malk aren’t you a troll 😂😂😂

    • Dairy Malk
      Dairy Malk 2 months ago

      EssexLad 8919 If u know it u don’t need to reply

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      Of course its not. 🙄

  • Kelenc AucklandGarbo19
    Kelenc AucklandGarbo19 2 months ago +2

    So what happened to London Rail

    • Kelenc AucklandGarbo19
      Kelenc AucklandGarbo19 2 months ago +1

      EssexLad 8919 wow is the best stations

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      London Rail consists of National Rail, TfL Rail and London Overground across Greater London. Serving areas including in North London, South London, West London, East London and Central London.

  • Dave Coz
    Dave Coz 2 months ago +1

    any chance you'll do something on the mess that is crossrail?

  • Stefano Coppo
    Stefano Coppo 2 months ago +1

    Geoff come back please!!!

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      He mostly does his own thing. He's not always on Londonist but he mostly does his own videos on his own youtube channel and on All The Stations youtube channel.

  • jammin023
    jammin023 2 months ago +1

    Why is it just labelled Battersea on the maps rather than Battersea Power Station?

  • Scott Morgan
    Scott Morgan 2 months ago +1

    The latest BART station broke ground in 2012 and still hasn't opened.

  • Trucker
    Trucker 2 months ago +5

    The irony of the 'northern' line only being extended saaf

    • B F
      B F 5 days ago

      Exactly. Why south London being gentrified to extreme is beyond me. Only a extremely rich person would buy there or a mug who will potentially be living on the breadline after the mortgage leaves their account each month.

  • vinnyvasquez
    vinnyvasquez 2 months ago +1

    0:43 "Where a ton of new unaffordable housing awaits", sad but true. The tube trains there will be full of cleaners going back and forth to scrub apartments of the filthy rich who won't even be in the same continent.
    Seems a bit of a daft extension with Nine Elms and Battersea Power Station being so close, looks like it'd take less than 5 mins to walk it. Extending it immediately to Clapham Junction would be huge and so useful for South West London. It would instantly become one of the busiest stations South of the river and ease so much train traffic to and from Clapham Junction.

    • Matty Kumar
      Matty Kumar 3 days ago

      Rich are the ones who are destroying London and pricing everyone out especially the born and bred.

    • Bilbo Baggins
      Bilbo Baggins 2 months ago

      vinnyvasquez - don’t think they are going to hiring a bunch of apartments every day if they are empty.

  • ben 101
    ben 101 2 months ago +1

    is the north line getting upgate the nosie in ver back

  • ygg drasil
    ygg drasil 2 months ago +4

    Shame no connection with the Victoria Line and a new station there.

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago +1

      ygg drasil I thought of that as well

  • Mr Someone
    Mr Someone 2 months ago +2

    Now do one for Barking Riverside.

  • Tom Lowe
    Tom Lowe 2 months ago +5

    WHY DID THEY NOT EXTEND THE VICTORIA LINE INSTEAD. WHYYYYYYY

    • Bushra Hamid
      Bushra Hamid Month ago +1

      one little thing, nine elms Station dose have a 10 minute walk to 2 STATIONS ON THE VICTORIA LINE, vauxhall and stockwell. but you're right about the victoria line. if they did extend the victoria line, it should extend from waltamstow central to stratford via snarsbrook.

  • Andrew Situ
    Andrew Situ 2 months ago +2

    I hope to see a closed loop linking Mill Hill East with Edgware via Mill Hill Broadway. It will be like the Hainault loop on the Central Line.

  • Philip Vels
    Philip Vels 2 months ago +1

    Please don't say "from scratch", it's incorrect.

  • Samuel J
    Samuel J 2 months ago +8

    "It passes beneath the Victoria line by just 3 metres."
    *laughs in Tottenham Court Road Station*

  • cjeam
    cjeam 2 months ago +2

    “It may not see the light until the 2030s”
    At this rate neither may the first Crossrail.

  • RS 15
    RS 15 2 months ago +1

    Battersea Power Station is the most unsuitable station name out there.

  • Tom Sullivan
    Tom Sullivan 2 months ago +1

    What is infamous about the Kennington Loop?

  • sdrawkcabUK
    sdrawkcabUK 2 months ago +4

    Such a pointless waste of money in an area already fairly well-served transport-wise. Why no extension of the Bakerloo, or extension of the Croydon tram past Beckenham, or more bridges in East London?? This is just another frippery serving the rich like everything else in this horrible city.

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      Gabriele Tapang Yp to Lewisham and to be split with one extension to Hayes Kent and the other to South Bromley or North Bromley via Grove Park. Or possibly to Beckenham.

    • E444R_ _Gabry
      E444R_ _Gabry 2 months ago +1

      They have Plans to Extend The Bakerloo,South Of Elephant And Castle

  • CustomBuses277
    CustomBuses277 2 months ago +5

    This is the only extension that I am really excited about because I live close to Battersea although would have been better if the Northern Line went further to Clapham Junction

  • Joshua Hall a.k.a. Controlla

    Great video. ☺️

  • CatbusMedallist
    CatbusMedallist 2 months ago +1

    What animation software is used in this video?

  • Best of UK
    Best of UK 2 months ago +2

    Great information on the line extension, thanks for the update :) x

  • frediculousbiggs1
    frediculousbiggs1 2 months ago

    Is there any suggestion if there will be an OSI between Battersea Power Station and Battersea Park? If so, then BP and Queenstown Road Battersea will presumably need to move to (at least) Zone 1/2

  • ColSco Co
    ColSco Co 2 months ago

    So if you’re at Battersea and want to get to Vauxhall by tube, you’ve got to change twice despite them being so close? Do any other tube lines cross each other without a station at the point of cross, like this will?

    • Paul Kennedy
      Paul Kennedy 2 months ago +1

      You could do it with 1 change, to National Rail at Waterloo.
      There are a few places where Underground lines cross without interchange: the W&C crosses the District/Circle near Blackfriars, White City on the Central is close to Wood Lane on the H&C, the Ealing Broadway branch of the Central line crosses the Piccadilly, the West Ruislip branch crosses the Piccadilly near Park Royal and it crosses the Metropolitan (and Piccadilly) near West Ruislip, the Bakerloo crosses the Metropolitan near Kenton.
      (This is just LUL/LUL near-misses. There are many more involving NR, Overground and DLR.)

    • frediculousbiggs1
      frediculousbiggs1 2 months ago +1

      Easier to walk to Queentown Road Battersea station and one stop on a SWR service

  • VincentKoh LUMCFan
    VincentKoh LUMCFan 2 months ago +1

    It’s quite disputed whether the Kennington loop is rideable hmm maybe some sneaky authorisation from both ends would help? I mean it’s just a loop and a fun joyride

  • hens0w
    hens0w 2 months ago

    the zoning here is nonsense it's Wandsworth not zone 1

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      hens0w Probably rename Battersea Power Station as West Wandsworth.

  • MrTudwud
    MrTudwud 2 months ago +1

    As usual, as in all London Transport history, Wandsworth is left out. Wandsworth has two main line stations, nowhere near the High Street, in Wandsworth Town and Wandsworth Common. It has never had an Underground service, the nearest being the District Line at Putney and Southfields and it never had a Green Line service in their heyday. It is definitely the poor relation in local transport and has seen its bus services cut back drastically in terms of mileage and other places served. It is crying out for an Underground and or Tram service but is ignored every time. Obviously the Wandsworth Councillors don't give a toss!!!

  • NSE 465
    NSE 465 2 months ago

    Not allowed to ride the Kennington loop? I did. And so did Geoff.

  • Life's Journey
    Life's Journey 2 months ago +2

    *So what does this actually mean from an investor perspective? As a consequence of the new Cross Rail, what areas are most likely to see an increase in property value?*

  • Funk Cult
    Funk Cult 2 months ago +1

    Great even more tune stations where they're not needed.
    Meanwhile most of south London and north east London are like a barren waste land for services and stations.

    • Funk Cult
      Funk Cult 2 months ago

      @Andrew Situ The only line that truly goes through NE London is the Victoria line, while the Central Line doesn't have a single station in NE London proper.

      Hackney doesn't have a single tube station and the only stations north of Tottenham Hale are either in east London or north London, not NE London.

    • Andrew Situ
      Andrew Situ 2 months ago

      Northeast London has the Central Line. South London has little to no Tube coverage.
      Southeast Buckinghamshire, on the other hand, has the Metropolitan Line despite having no boundary with London.

  • Mr. Wray160
    Mr. Wray160 2 months ago +1

    Battersea Power Station Station would be an interesting name...

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      Mr. Wray160 Or Battersea Power Station x2 😂😂

  • Scott Anderson
    Scott Anderson 2 months ago +1

    Have you noticed that not a lot of tube stations are named in honour of our local gorilla population

  • xr6lad
    xr6lad 2 months ago +1

    Funny it seems an opportunity was lost with this extension. They could have actually swung up and crossed the Victoria at Vauzhall, providing another interchange before going on toNine Elms.

    • Paul Kennedy
      Paul Kennedy 2 months ago

      Have a look at the map at 2:14. It looks like the NB track might have been able to go there, but the SB one could not.
      n

  • Milleau Limey
    Milleau Limey 2 months ago +1

    Greeeeeeat. I usually AirBnB in that area. It'll unaffordable now!

  • Michael Tavares
    Michael Tavares 2 months ago +3

    Why not split the Northern line into two separate lines after this?

  • bojack40
    bojack40 2 months ago +1

    Where will battersea station be specifically?

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      Apparently it is to the east of Battersea Park.

  • Hootonium242
    Hootonium242 2 months ago +1

    Why was the Kennington loop necessary when trains the world over can just drive back in the other direction? Are there not enough lines of track or points at the station or something? Insightful answers appreciated, cheers!

    • Hootonium242
      Hootonium242 2 months ago +2

      @frediculousbiggs1 Nice! Thank you :)

    • frediculousbiggs1
      frediculousbiggs1 2 months ago +3

      It's because the Charing Cross branch platforms are on the "outside" of the Bank branch platforms, allowing a cross-platform interchange when travelling south or north. The only way of doing this is by having a loop. It can be seen here: carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/index.php?gpslat=51.487242&gpslon=-0.10117&zoom=5

  • I Make Films
    I Make Films 2 months ago +1

    To be fair, geoff rode the kennington loop on secrets of the northern line

  • DerekHartley
    DerekHartley 2 months ago +7

    1:04 I know this is London, but you shouldn't be shooting up on the train.

  • CLICK
    CLICK 2 months ago +1

    ...Unaffordable!?

  • Mad Andy
    Mad Andy 2 months ago +3

    Why the bigger tunnels? If they were concerned with safety they would not even think to run trains packed with people into blocked tunnels so if a train breaks down or the power goes then people can walk either back or forwards to a station.
    If you get the Victoria Line in the rush hour the trains are totally cram-packed and one behind the other so there are at least two stops between stations. I heard somebody describe it as them risking passenger safety by kettling people onto trains in tunnels because they,would not all fit on the over-crowded platforms.
    I mean, in Summer they advise us to take bottles of water onto the tube. Right? Let us take a reality check here. It's 1-2 minutes ride between pretty well every station underground which is in no way a hazard meriting such advice, so it follows that this advice indicates a deliberate police of putting passengers at risk by overcrowding trains in tunnels.

  • R.a.t.t.y
    R.a.t.t.y 2 months ago +1

    Continuing to Clapham Junction makes sense. There's a lot of money to be spent.
    Also CJ is very busy and thus would increase that. So at least a 9 figure sum (£100m+) really needs to be spent there. Escalators, new wide overpass with coffee and other shops, improved signage, etc.
    Once completed, you can fly into Gatwick and just one change onto the Northern line.

  • HezyTek
    HezyTek 2 months ago +5

    I really, really like this new presenter. Keep him, Geoff

  • mPky1
    mPky1 2 months ago +3

    Why is the british tax payer paying hundreds of millions for those 2 train stations, just so a few restaurants can sell a few meals ? For every pound the food shops make its costing the tax payer 100s or 1000s...

    • mPky1
      mPky1 2 months ago

      @frediculousbiggs1 The fact the artcle has no raw numbers basically means they are making stuff up.

    • mPky1
      mPky1 2 months ago

      @frediculousbiggs1 without a proper balance sheet its hard to know what majority means .... majority of what ?

      the fact such general terms are used and raw figures are not shown leaves a lot to be desired.

      Its almost like theres something to hide.

    • frediculousbiggs1
      frediculousbiggs1 2 months ago

      ​@mPky1 Well, according to the sources in that article, they're paying for the "majority" of the extension, so let's say a minimum of £250m.
      Of course the developers want to increase property prices because they do own the local area! Before this development, the area was an old power station and industrial units. Now it is a huge development of around 20,000 homes, Apple's UK HQ, plus other offices and leisure facilities.
      www.designbuild-network.com/projects/battersea-power-station-redevelopment-london/
      This article suggests that the total cost of redevelopment of the Battersea Power Station area will cost £8bn. Other sources put the Embassy Gardens development at around £2bn.
      If you're spending £10bn on building work, spending between £250-500m hardly seems like an unreasonable amount to actually allow people to travel from/to this new area.

    • mPky1
      mPky1 2 months ago

      ​@frediculousbiggs1 increasing the prices of properties in the local area doesnt help them because they dont own them.

      Lets pretend they develop the side, given the 1/2B cost, they would have to sell the site development for close to $2B just to break even.

      The numbers dont add up to me.

    • frediculousbiggs1
      frediculousbiggs1 2 months ago

      @mPky1 What they're getting back is a) being allowed to actually develop the site and b) being able to increase the price on hundreds (thousands?) of properties because people can actually get places

  • Sam Sitar
    Sam Sitar 2 months ago +1

    Battersea to and from Clapham Junction should also be an out-of-system transfer.

  • Noah Roth
    Noah Roth 2 months ago +3

    Nobody:

    London: Takes 15 years to plan and build a one station extension

  • IAmTheBeckett
    IAmTheBeckett 2 months ago +2

    And those on the Morden end will lose our Charing Cross services entirely... 😢

    • Andrew Situ
      Andrew Situ 2 months ago +1

      The Northern Line needs splitting like the Metropolitan Line. The Hammersmith to East London section is now the Hammersmith & City Line, with Aldgate serving as the Met's southeastern terminus.

  • jayc gylsen
    jayc gylsen 2 months ago +2

    Wish the Victoria would run into Stratford?

  • The Ugliest
    The Ugliest 2 months ago +2

    They should of extended of to Clapham Junction

  • Chaz Baz
    Chaz Baz 2 months ago +2

    This is all happening in London, but where I am in the South West, someone today was injured by a wave smashing in some train windows at Dawlish 🤨

    • Bilbo Baggins
      Bilbo Baggins 2 months ago

      Chaz Baz - to be fair how many millions of people use the train at Dawlish every week?

  • IRA FRIED
    IRA FRIED 2 months ago +2

    Why would they continue to call both branches the Northern Line since they will now be two separate lines?

    • Paul Kennedy
      Paul Kennedy 2 months ago +1

      Separate in the centre and the south. Not yet in the north. Until they have more capacity for passenger interchange at Camden Town they'll have to keep running both northern branches via both central routes.

  • Henry’s Aviation
    Henry’s Aviation 2 months ago +1

    Were is Geoff :(

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      He appears then disappears and reappears but he is seen on his own youtube channel and on All The Stations channel. Where he is more popular along with Vicki.

  • I L93T
    I L93T 2 months ago +1

    So people who are going via charring Cross via kennington won't be able to board

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago +1

      I L93T You obviously didn’t pay attention to what Paul Kennedy said 🙄

    • I L93T
      I L93T 2 months ago

      @Paul Kennedy I used the Clapham station as an example

    • Paul Kennedy
      Paul Kennedy 2 months ago

      @I L93T
      If you're seriously worried that trainloads of people are going to walk or take connecting services from Clapham Junction to the new terminus, then the solution is simple. Do that yourself. Get out at Clapham North and walk to the new station. It's closer than Clapham Junction and it would take you only 28 minutes.

    • I L93T
      I L93T 2 months ago

      @Paul Kennedy it's 15 mins by public transport. Some people do walk to work or to stations however, the busiest times from public transport is rush hour

    • Paul Kennedy
      Paul Kennedy 2 months ago

      @I L93T
      You won't need to worry about that. The new station is 2.5 km from Clapham Junction. As the crow flies. It's even further by road. Google maps says it would take 39 minutes to walk.

  • Phil Rabe
    Phil Rabe 2 months ago +1

    Good to see London is building plenty of housing that the average Londoner can't afford. Kind of like here in San Francisco. er. I mean across the Bay in SF. I was forced out by SKYROCKETING rent and landowner greed [those who own homes know that by keeping the supply tight, their property gains a LOT more value- so they always come out in force when density increases are proposed.]

    • Matty Kumar
      Matty Kumar 3 days ago

      Most Londoners live next door to London in Essex and Kent which is nearer but house prices are creeping up there too the south east and home counties are nice expensive and affluent so prices are high.

  • JudgeHill83
    JudgeHill83 2 months ago +1

    Isn’t Earls Court a Zone 1/2 station as well? You can that to central London. Maybe I missed your point...

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      True. Why not make Earls Court and Kensington Olympia Zones 1/2. Just like Stratford which is in Zones 2/3.

    • JudgeHill83
      JudgeHill83 2 months ago +1

      @Paul Kennedy Oh yes, I get it now!

    • Paul Kennedy
      Paul Kennedy 2 months ago +2

      I think their point is that the stations on either side (of the 1/2 station) are both in zone 1 (W'loo and 9 Elms, High St Ken and Bayswater). I don't think that's the case on either side of Earl's Court.

  • fabrice duchenne
    fabrice duchenne 2 months ago +1

    Hi ! Ok & Super ... Thanks

  • MattCamelly
    MattCamelly 2 months ago +3

    01:30 How did Geoff ride it in secrets of the Northern Line?

  • TheSmithersy
    TheSmithersy 2 months ago +1

    A London Underground video without Geoff. Is he ill?

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      TheSmithersy No he does his own videos

  • Dozenazer
    Dozenazer 2 months ago +1

    0:12 I thought of pow(Battersea, Station)

  • Blacka Đøn
    Blacka Đøn 2 months ago +3

    Next they extend the District Line up to Southend-on-Sea I hear it use to go up there back in the late 1800's early 1900s and allow Bakerloo line trains got to Watford Junction again like it was back on the 1970's

    • EssexLad 8919
      EssexLad 8919 2 months ago

      It also went as far as Granborough Road, Marlborough Road, Quainton Road, Westcott, Wotton, Wood Siding, Brill, Winslow Road, Waddesdon, Waddesdon Road, and Verney Junction in rural Buckinghamshire.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro-land

    • Bilbo Baggins
      Bilbo Baggins 2 months ago

      Andrew Situ - I wonder how long the journey took???

    • Andrew Situ
      Andrew Situ 2 months ago +1

      And the Metropolitan Line ever went all the way up to Aylesbury. Strange but true.