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the northern line really really should be two lines...
they would better extend from Stockwell
well done for the vid Londonist!!RESPECT!!
Ha, unaffordable housing. Subtle. 👍👍👍
I'm sure that Pigs have flown over Battersea before it gets a tube station station
It would be good if it was extended to Clapham.
Those who cannot afford South London and are complaining. Look at North East London, admittedly still not cheap, but cheaper than the rest of London. ( Woodford Green, Clayhall, Gants Hill)
I went to London about a fortnight ago (before the coronavirus restrictions really took hold) and found no mention of this new bit of Northern Line on the tube maps - surely by now they'd have the new branch in dotted lines with the caption 'Under construction: due to open 2021'.
Probably gonna be a silly question since I haven't lived in London for 11 yrs and never have worked there but why does the northern line need to go to Clapham Junction? Clapham already has 3 Northern Line Stations people could just use one of them couldn't they? Maybe it'll require getting a bus but still other people in London get the bus to the tube
WoW you’re smart
But surely you don't need that extension to Clapham because you could just change at Waterloo???
I struggle to see how Nine Elms and Battersea will be entirely zone 1 stations, with Vauxhall being further north than the two and being on the border of 1 and 2 how would they show that on the map 🤔 and Battersea Park which is fully in Zone 2.
It's insane to have added this extension to the already overcrowded and over-complicated Northern Line. A link to the Victoria Line at Vauxhall would have made much more sense.
If I was in charge, I would extend the Bakerloo Line south eastwards to Greenwich, via Loughborough Junction, Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye, Nunhead, New Cross Gate, and New Cross. Northern Line extension is not needed.
Why is South London so poorly served by tube? Wouldn’t a much more useful extension be the Victoria Line south from Brixton through Norbury and Thornton Heath to East Croydon to relieve the awful commuter pressure on National Rail?
Just split the Northern line into two, damn it
Natalie Robyn Was thinking of Charing Cross & City Line or Morgan Line (Battersea Power Station-Edgware) and the current Northern Line (Morden-High Barnet & Finchley Central-Mill Hill East). Or the current Northern Line (Battersea Power Station-Edgware) and the new Bank & City Line (Morden-High Barnet and Finchley Central-Mill Hill East).
wow,There are more stations now!
This is not Geoff
I love to be funny but no.
Dairy Malk aren’t you a troll 😂😂😂
EssexLad 8919 If u know it u don’t need to reply
Of course its not. 🙄
So what happened to London Rail
EssexLad 8919 wow is the best stations
London Rail consists of National Rail, TfL Rail and London Overground across Greater London. Serving areas including in North London, South London, West London, East London and Central London.
any chance you'll do something on the mess that is crossrail?
Geoff come back please!!!
He mostly does his own thing. He's not always on Londonist but he mostly does his own videos on his own youtube channel and on All The Stations youtube channel.
Why is it just labelled Battersea on the maps rather than Battersea Power Station?
Or East Battersea.
The latest BART station broke ground in 2012 and still hasn't opened.
The irony of the 'northern' line only being extended saaf
Exactly. Why south London being gentrified to extreme is beyond me. Only a extremely rich person would buy there or a mug who will potentially be living on the breadline after the mortgage leaves their account each month.
0:43 "Where a ton of new unaffordable housing awaits", sad but true. The tube trains there will be full of cleaners going back and forth to scrub apartments of the filthy rich who won't even be in the same continent.Seems a bit of a daft extension with Nine Elms and Battersea Power Station being so close, looks like it'd take less than 5 mins to walk it. Extending it immediately to Clapham Junction would be huge and so useful for South West London. It would instantly become one of the busiest stations South of the river and ease so much train traffic to and from Clapham Junction.
Rich are the ones who are destroying London and pricing everyone out especially the born and bred.
vinnyvasquez - don’t think they are going to hiring a bunch of apartments every day if they are empty.
is the north line getting upgate the nosie in ver back
Shame no connection with the Victoria Line and a new station there.
ygg drasil I thought of that as well
Now do one for Barking Riverside.
WHY DID THEY NOT EXTEND THE VICTORIA LINE INSTEAD. WHYYYYYYY
one little thing, nine elms Station dose have a 10 minute walk to 2 STATIONS ON THE VICTORIA LINE, vauxhall and stockwell. but you're right about the victoria line. if they did extend the victoria line, it should extend from waltamstow central to stratford via snarsbrook.
I hope to see a closed loop linking Mill Hill East with Edgware via Mill Hill Broadway. It will be like the Hainault loop on the Central Line.
Please don't say "from scratch", it's incorrect.
"It passes beneath the Victoria line by just 3 metres."*laughs in Tottenham Court Road Station*
“It may not see the light until the 2030s” At this rate neither may the first Crossrail.
Battersea Power Station is the most unsuitable station name out there.
What is infamous about the Kennington Loop?
Such a pointless waste of money in an area already fairly well-served transport-wise. Why no extension of the Bakerloo, or extension of the Croydon tram past Beckenham, or more bridges in East London?? This is just another frippery serving the rich like everything else in this horrible city.
Gabriele Tapang Yp to Lewisham and to be split with one extension to Hayes Kent and the other to South Bromley or North Bromley via Grove Park. Or possibly to Beckenham.
They have Plans to Extend The Bakerloo,South Of Elephant And Castle
This is the only extension that I am really excited about because I live close to Battersea although would have been better if the Northern Line went further to Clapham Junction
Great video. ☺️
What animation software is used in this video?
Great information on the line extension, thanks for the update :) x
Is there any suggestion if there will be an OSI between Battersea Power Station and Battersea Park? If so, then BP and Queenstown Road Battersea will presumably need to move to (at least) Zone 1/2
So if you’re at Battersea and want to get to Vauxhall by tube, you’ve got to change twice despite them being so close? Do any other tube lines cross each other without a station at the point of cross, like this will?
You could do it with 1 change, to National Rail at Waterloo.There are a few places where Underground lines cross without interchange: the W&C crosses the District/Circle near Blackfriars, White City on the Central is close to Wood Lane on the H&C, the Ealing Broadway branch of the Central line crosses the Piccadilly, the West Ruislip branch crosses the Piccadilly near Park Royal and it crosses the Metropolitan (and Piccadilly) near West Ruislip, the Bakerloo crosses the Metropolitan near Kenton.(This is just LUL/LUL near-misses. There are many more involving NR, Overground and DLR.)
Easier to walk to Queentown Road Battersea station and one stop on a SWR service
It’s quite disputed whether the Kennington loop is rideable hmm maybe some sneaky authorisation from both ends would help? I mean it’s just a loop and a fun joyride
the zoning here is nonsense it's Wandsworth not zone 1
hens0w Probably rename Battersea Power Station as West Wandsworth.
As usual, as in all London Transport history, Wandsworth is left out. Wandsworth has two main line stations, nowhere near the High Street, in Wandsworth Town and Wandsworth Common. It has never had an Underground service, the nearest being the District Line at Putney and Southfields and it never had a Green Line service in their heyday. It is definitely the poor relation in local transport and has seen its bus services cut back drastically in terms of mileage and other places served. It is crying out for an Underground and or Tram service but is ignored every time. Obviously the Wandsworth Councillors don't give a toss!!!
Not allowed to ride the Kennington loop? I did. And so did Geoff.
*So what does this actually mean from an investor perspective? As a consequence of the new Cross Rail, what areas are most likely to see an increase in property value?*
Great even more tune stations where they're not needed.Meanwhile most of south London and north east London are like a barren waste land for services and stations.
@Andrew Situ The only line that truly goes through NE London is the Victoria line, while the Central Line doesn't have a single station in NE London proper.Hackney doesn't have a single tube station and the only stations north of Tottenham Hale are either in east London or north London, not NE London.
Northeast London has the Central Line. South London has little to no Tube coverage.Southeast Buckinghamshire, on the other hand, has the Metropolitan Line despite having no boundary with London.
Battersea Power Station Station would be an interesting name...
Mr. Wray160 Or Battersea Power Station x2 😂😂
Have you noticed that not a lot of tube stations are named in honour of our local gorilla population
Funny it seems an opportunity was lost with this extension. They could have actually swung up and crossed the Victoria at Vauzhall, providing another interchange before going on toNine Elms.
Have a look at the map at 2:14. It looks like the NB track might have been able to go there, but the SB one could not. n
Greeeeeeat. I usually AirBnB in that area. It'll unaffordable now!
Why not split the Northern line into two separate lines after this?
Where will battersea station be specifically?
Apparently it is to the east of Battersea Park.
Why was the Kennington loop necessary when trains the world over can just drive back in the other direction? Are there not enough lines of track or points at the station or something? Insightful answers appreciated, cheers!
@frediculousbiggs1 Nice! Thank you :)
It's because the Charing Cross branch platforms are on the "outside" of the Bank branch platforms, allowing a cross-platform interchange when travelling south or north. The only way of doing this is by having a loop. It can be seen here: carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/index.php?gpslat=51.487242&gpslon=-0.10117&zoom=5
To be fair, geoff rode the kennington loop on secrets of the northern line
1:04 I know this is London, but you shouldn't be shooting up on the train.
Why the bigger tunnels? If they were concerned with safety they would not even think to run trains packed with people into blocked tunnels so if a train breaks down or the power goes then people can walk either back or forwards to a station.If you get the Victoria Line in the rush hour the trains are totally cram-packed and one behind the other so there are at least two stops between stations. I heard somebody describe it as them risking passenger safety by kettling people onto trains in tunnels because they,would not all fit on the over-crowded platforms.I mean, in Summer they advise us to take bottles of water onto the tube. Right? Let us take a reality check here. It's 1-2 minutes ride between pretty well every station underground which is in no way a hazard meriting such advice, so it follows that this advice indicates a deliberate police of putting passengers at risk by overcrowding trains in tunnels.
Continuing to Clapham Junction makes sense. There's a lot of money to be spent.Also CJ is very busy and thus would increase that. So at least a 9 figure sum (£100m+) really needs to be spent there. Escalators, new wide overpass with coffee and other shops, improved signage, etc. Once completed, you can fly into Gatwick and just one change onto the Northern line.
I really, really like this new presenter. Keep him, Geoff
Why is the british tax payer paying hundreds of millions for those 2 train stations, just so a few restaurants can sell a few meals ? For every pound the food shops make its costing the tax payer 100s or 1000s...
@frediculousbiggs1 The fact the artcle has no raw numbers basically means they are making stuff up.
@frediculousbiggs1 without a proper balance sheet its hard to know what majority means .... majority of what ?the fact such general terms are used and raw figures are not shown leaves a lot to be desired.Its almost like theres something to hide.
@mPky1 Well, according to the sources in that article, they're paying for the "majority" of the extension, so let's say a minimum of £250m.Of course the developers want to increase property prices because they do own the local area! Before this development, the area was an old power station and industrial units. Now it is a huge development of around 20,000 homes, Apple's UK HQ, plus other offices and leisure facilities.www.designbuild-network.com/projects/battersea-power-station-redevelopment-london/This article suggests that the total cost of redevelopment of the Battersea Power Station area will cost £8bn. Other sources put the Embassy Gardens development at around £2bn.If you're spending £10bn on building work, spending between £250-500m hardly seems like an unreasonable amount to actually allow people to travel from/to this new area.
@frediculousbiggs1 increasing the prices of properties in the local area doesnt help them because they dont own them.Lets pretend they develop the side, given the 1/2B cost, they would have to sell the site development for close to $2B just to break even.The numbers dont add up to me.
@mPky1 What they're getting back is a) being allowed to actually develop the site and b) being able to increase the price on hundreds (thousands?) of properties because people can actually get places
Battersea to and from Clapham Junction should also be an out-of-system transfer.
Nobody:London: Takes 15 years to plan and build a one station extension
And those on the Morden end will lose our Charing Cross services entirely... 😢
The Northern Line needs splitting like the Metropolitan Line. The Hammersmith to East London section is now the Hammersmith & City Line, with Aldgate serving as the Met's southeastern terminus.
Wish the Victoria would run into Stratford?
They should of extended of to Clapham Junction
This is all happening in London, but where I am in the South West, someone today was injured by a wave smashing in some train windows at Dawlish 🤨
Chaz Baz - to be fair how many millions of people use the train at Dawlish every week?
Why would they continue to call both branches the Northern Line since they will now be two separate lines?
Separate in the centre and the south. Not yet in the north. Until they have more capacity for passenger interchange at Camden Town they'll have to keep running both northern branches via both central routes.
Were is Geoff :(
He appears then disappears and reappears but he is seen on his own youtube channel and on All The Stations channel. Where he is more popular along with Vicki.
So people who are going via charring Cross via kennington won't be able to board
I L93T You obviously didn’t pay attention to what Paul Kennedy said 🙄
@Paul Kennedy I used the Clapham station as an example
@I L93T If you're seriously worried that trainloads of people are going to walk or take connecting services from Clapham Junction to the new terminus, then the solution is simple. Do that yourself. Get out at Clapham North and walk to the new station. It's closer than Clapham Junction and it would take you only 28 minutes.
@Paul Kennedy it's 15 mins by public transport. Some people do walk to work or to stations however, the busiest times from public transport is rush hour
@I L93T You won't need to worry about that. The new station is 2.5 km from Clapham Junction. As the crow flies. It's even further by road. Google maps says it would take 39 minutes to walk.
Good to see London is building plenty of housing that the average Londoner can't afford. Kind of like here in San Francisco. er. I mean across the Bay in SF. I was forced out by SKYROCKETING rent and landowner greed [those who own homes know that by keeping the supply tight, their property gains a LOT more value- so they always come out in force when density increases are proposed.]
Most Londoners live next door to London in Essex and Kent which is nearer but house prices are creeping up there too the south east and home counties are nice expensive and affluent so prices are high.
Isn’t Earls Court a Zone 1/2 station as well? You can that to central London. Maybe I missed your point...
True. Why not make Earls Court and Kensington Olympia Zones 1/2. Just like Stratford which is in Zones 2/3.
@Paul Kennedy Oh yes, I get it now!
I think their point is that the stations on either side (of the 1/2 station) are both in zone 1 (W'loo and 9 Elms, High St Ken and Bayswater). I don't think that's the case on either side of Earl's Court.
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01:30 How did Geoff ride it in secrets of the Northern Line?
He stayed in the train
A London Underground video without Geoff. Is he ill?
TheSmithersy No he does his own videos
0:12 I thought of pow(Battersea, Station)
Next they extend the District Line up to Southend-on-Sea I hear it use to go up there back in the late 1800's early 1900s and allow Bakerloo line trains got to Watford Junction again like it was back on the 1970's
It also went as far as Granborough Road, Marlborough Road, Quainton Road, Westcott, Wotton, Wood Siding, Brill, Winslow Road, Waddesdon, Waddesdon Road, and Verney Junction in rural Buckinghamshire. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro-land
Andrew Situ - I wonder how long the journey took???
And the Metropolitan Line ever went all the way up to Aylesbury. Strange but true.