Why Venice is Europe’s Worst Placed City

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  • Cheap Charlie Chronicles
    Cheap Charlie Chronicles 6 months ago +7921

    What a lot of people don’t realize is Venice was one of the largest cities in Europe up until the start of he 19th Century. It’s not just a tony tourist destination but the capital of one of Europe’s greatest Republics and Empires in history. It lasted for a thousand years until Napoleon.

    • Tony Perri
      Tony Perri 5 days ago +1

      @Daniele Fabbro I didn't know about the "To NY" abbreviation, but my nonna was from Calabria. I've known my Italian name since I could speak lol
      And tbh the actual name "Tony" dates back to a shortened version of Antonius from the original Roman empire. It's derived from the Greek variant Anteon, son of Hercules.

    • Daniele Fabbro
      Daniele Fabbro 5 days ago

      @Tony Perri lol. Did you know why many Italians in America was called "Tony"? It was a thing when we was immigrants. Since the only access point for America was New York, where the Americans had dedicated that small island new Ellis Island to immigration checks, Italians used to known just few words in English and among those few words there was "To New York" or "Tony". 🤣🤣🤣
      It's quite funny because in Italy exist a name which shorter version is also "Tony" and it is "Tonino".

    • Tony Perri
      Tony Perri 5 days ago +1

      Everywhere I visit is a tony tourist destination 😤

    • Daniele Fabbro
      Daniele Fabbro 6 days ago

      "Tony tourist destination"... Jesus... 😑

    • Optotran
      Optotran 6 days ago

      I know about this because the last 4 days I have been studying for at least 5 hours a day for my final exams on history about the splitiing of the Roman empire up until the Napoleonic wars

  • Silver Scroll
    Silver Scroll 6 months ago +138

    Interesting that your map of "Venetian colonies in the Mediterranean" also shades the area containing the Republic of Ragusa, Venice's _primary_ but today-oft-forgotten rival in the rich trade city game. It also has a fascinating history and deserves a video of its own!

    • Sir Rather Splendid
      Sir Rather Splendid 17 days ago +3

      Venice’s primary rival was not Ragusa/Dubrovnik, but Genoa.

    • Silver Scroll
      Silver Scroll 2 months ago +5

      @Leonardo David 28 Uhm, Ragusa gained independence from Venice in 1358. The Treaty of Zadar made it technically a Hungarian possession, but Hungary basically just became its suzerain, the city remaining effectively fully independent. Only in 1382 did Ragusa switch its suzerainty to the Ottoman Empire, still retaining full _effective_ independence in exchange for financial tributes to and promised non-aggression towards the Ottomans. The golden period of Ragusa was in the 15th and 16th centuries, despite this financial drain.
      I know nothing of an _Ottoman_ siege of Dubrovnik.

    • Leonardo David 28
      Leonardo David 28 2 months ago +2

      The republic of Ragusa was temporally a Venetian vassal. The same status that the city of Athens has for example.
      The ottomans quickly sieged and took it however. I think the status survived maybe a few decades.

    • Lars Sveinsson
      Lars Sveinsson 2 months ago

      And the battle of schrute farms

    • Matija Miljanić
      Matija Miljanić 2 months ago +1

      Thank you!

  • Minky One
    Minky One 6 months ago +83

    As a Venetian, I loved this video. I have to point out a couple of things though:
    0:25 The Municipal border of Venice include Mestre (a city on the mainland), other islands like Murano and Lido. The residents in the actual city surrounded by water are only 50'000. This also means that all the ratios tourist/resident in the videos are actually higher.
    3:15 I see you are a man of culture (Civilization) as well

    • Minky One
      Minky One 5 months ago +2

      @Marina Rosário The idea itself is not wrong but it would be impractical to say the least. I won't even try to explain why (expense, safety, risk of damagin builing, lack of sufficient technology...)
      The Venetians would be better off installing waterpumps (like in the Dutch polders) and seal the lagoon when the sea tides are strongest.

    • Marina Rosário
      Marina Rosário 5 months ago +2

      I know I will sound like a Lunatic, but it seems that the only save la Serenissima is "put it all on boats".
      (When I was a kid I actually thought the city was floating)
      What do you think Mio amici?

  • Mike Dawson
    Mike Dawson 6 months ago +62

    I visited Venice in 1948 with my parents. I would say I am one of the oldest tourists to visit the city still alive who is not in a nursing home.

  • ::: figureonastick :::
    ::: figureonastick ::: 5 months ago +4

    One thing I kept coming back to was that the first Venetians were refugees who came to the lagoon for the safety of its environment. These were folks who had once lived in the heart of the Roman Empire, who had to flee their homes as the world around them basically collapsed. They abandon their entire lives and sought a practical solution to their problem and found one. Not only did they find one, but they found one that turned out to be of exceptional advantage thanks to its environment, and this small city practically became an empire.
    Then, the tides of history shifted, and once again, they found themselves once again gripping to that empire as it fell apart. then all at once. Everything about the city that once gave it power: its geography, its industry, and its culture, is now strangling it to death. It's still happening slowly now, but it really could fall apart with one more bad roll of the dice. The citizens are just trying to live their lives, but it does seem like there's quite literally no future in this city.
    While this is quite sad, I think that there is a great deal of hope in looking at the foundations of Venice, and the story of its founders. The founders survived their apocalypse, as real and terrifying to them as our own is to us. They survived because they focused on their environment: they assess their surroundings and choose a location that was not only safe, but also in a truly excellent position given their new circumstances, and it allowed them to direct their own fate for centuries. The modern day Venetians might very well have to abandon their city, and with their loss, the loss of a cultural artifact of incalculable value, as did their ancestors. Venetians survived and then grew to thrive before, who's to say they couldn't do it again in a new place? Perhaps, we shouldn't view this as the ending of the story of Venice, but as the beginning of another chapter in their history.

  • Lo
    Lo 6 months ago +3306

    Side note: Venice itself (the islands) only has 55k inhabitants. The other 200k live in the mainland (which counts as the same municipality), where tourists don't go

    • Cristiano Vianello
      Cristiano Vianello 12 days ago

      very true,so in average there are always more turists than locals

    • Potatos Bed
      Potatos Bed 18 days ago

      @AudieHolland im hosting an exchange student who actualy lived on the island part and apparently the rent is super high and its alot cheaper to live nearby

    • queen of asian
      queen of asian 2 months ago

      The mainland is Mestre*

    • Matteus Andertun
      Matteus Andertun 3 months ago

      What?!?!?!?

    • AudieHolland
      AudieHolland 4 months ago +1

      @Rebecca Ginevra I know English is not your first language.
      Just where did I mention anything like you suggested?
      I started with how Venice looked so monumental and historical but that probably not many people would be rich enough to actually live there.
      Also, I mentioned how I got lost near the city center and stumbled into an office building, thinking it was a museum.
      So where did I mention anything about BASICALLY EVERY CITY IN ITALY?
      One thing, all other cities except Venice are incredibly noisy, congested and polluted because of all the traffic.
      So other cities except Venice do not appear like a museum or cinema set.

  • Micha
    Micha 5 months ago +53

    If only Venetians would ask people of Europe's other historic sea-trading, formerly ultra rich, massively overtouristed city consisting of hundreds of canals and thousands of centuries-old brick buildings slowly sinking into the swampy ground: Amsterdammers.
    Amsterdam's water levels are completely artificial, managed by a government authority. There are no floodings in Amsterdam, neither did the Zuiderzee turn into a stinking swamp as the video predicted for the Venice lagoon.
    Amsterdam is Venice's rainier sister city. And it already found a solution for Venice's problem.

    • Cristiano Vianello
      Cristiano Vianello 12 days ago

      Venice and Amsterdam are in 2 totally geographical different situations. Didn't you watch the beginning of the video? Or read the title? How is Amsterdam lagoon doing?

    • Lexus Enthusiast
      Lexus Enthusiast Month ago

      @Davide Ghirelli yep, it would destroy the ecology of the area, as well as a lot of the aesthetics that make it so marvelous, I completely understand why they're not going with that, although I fear what the future holds with rising sea levels

    • Davide Ghirelli
      Davide Ghirelli Month ago +1

      @Lexus Enthusiast this method would fuck up the surrounding lagoon envitonment which is UNESCO heritage too, even the MOSE is causing damage

    • Lexus Enthusiast
      Lexus Enthusiast Month ago

      @Davide Ghirelli you probably can, some of the Dutch islands have extensive areas of land reclaimed from the sea. You could control the water levels in the venetian lagune but you'd probably have to dam it and only allow ships in through locks

    • Blake Lonsdale-Cook
      Blake Lonsdale-Cook Month ago

      @Davide Ghirelli Amsterdam is supposed to be an island as well. The Dutch fought a metaphorical war with the sea, and won.
      If Venice also enacted land reclaimation policies, it could also achieve what Amsterdam has achieved.

  • Débora C. Simão
    Débora C. Simão 6 months ago +104

    I'm from Brazil, but I appreciate how you're constantly mentioning the presence of Portugal in the history of great navigations. Often with native English speaking channels they tend to ignore the presence of naval Portugal in history as if only England has done its part.

    • Matías JB
      Matías JB 12 days ago

      I completely agree with you, in fact, I am quite bothered that this channel has followed the anglosaxon (English) trend of not mentioning Spain.

    • KING Pharaoh
      KING Pharaoh 17 days ago

      I just got back from Brazil and nobody that has never been to Brazil can understand your statement. Before I went there I truly did not know how much slavery affected Brazil to this day. I believe even more than america

    • Benito
      Benito 2 months ago +4

      @Yongguk Is Ultimate Daddy L

    • Ararune
      Ararune 4 months ago +5

      @PhaRoaH What are you talking about? Portugal and England have some of the longest standing alliances.
      You're thinking of Spain and France, learn your history.

    • Bruce Bonner
      Bruce Bonner 5 months ago +4

      Rather bold and false statement to make. Everyone talks about Portugal and how one of the smallest and incompetent countries of its time, was also one of the world's greatest nations thanks to the theft of countless lands.

  • Conor S
    Conor S 6 months ago +5

    It was one of the very first things I noticed when I walked into my hotel after getting off a speedboat outside, the floor is slightly tilted to allow any floods that happened to drain away, they also showed us their hydraulic pump. I was there for about four days before our cruise left, but I was pretty sad to see that the overwhelming majority of people on the cruise came in literally the evening before or even just came across from the mainland that morning. So it’s essentially being used and abused. Yeah the tourist bring money, but considering how many of the cruise tourists don’t actually spend all that much money it ends up being a problem not a bonus. Plus all those cruise companies play all the ports in the Mediterranean off each other so they can squash as much out of them as possible and then they have the gall to provide their own travel in company so the locals at the different ports don’t get to benefit from the excursions to the fullest extent either. It’s a beautiful city, it’s weird and very alien when you have grown up with cars and roads and streets but it’s mesmerising and sad when you can literally see the water lines on the buildings and you know what the overall prognosis is.

  • Penguin
    Penguin 2 months ago +4

    Let’s take the moment to appreciate how much effort RealLifeLore puts into his content for us. Great job

  • Corey Reid
    Corey Reid 6 months ago +2514

    The irony: Venice used to actually raise its buildings every few decades, but about 400 years ago the buildings became "culturally significant" and so that process stopped. Once the buildings were no longer being lifted, it sealed the cycle of flooding that was then made worse by other factors/decisions.

    • Cristiano Vianello
      Cristiano Vianello 12 days ago

      Sir, I am from Venice and I can tell you that your comment is totally false, you know like B...S...

    • Xaviar 77versus99
      Xaviar 77versus99 2 months ago

      We use to

    • Jou t7
      Jou t7 2 months ago +1

      Yes stupid law, that no cause our beutifully city one day sink under water.

    • RisingStar
      RisingStar 2 months ago +1

      It’s funny how preserving the buildings is causing them to get destroyed

  • Jean Gagnier
    Jean Gagnier 6 months ago +2

    I'd love to see a follow-up video on what effects overtourism have on Venice's gepography problems. The video mentions the problem quite often, but I fail to see how it contributes to increased flooding.

  • Cyclops
    Cyclops 2 months ago +1

    It's insane that property values in Venice keep inncreasing. They started going up a lot about 20 years ago. You'd think the price would plummet as the flooding got worse each year.

  • AP Poland
    AP Poland 6 months ago +6

    4:51 While Venice certainly dominated Mediterranean trade, I think I would say that Venice mostly dealt with the east of the Italian boot whereas Genoa then Sardinia Piedmont dealt with the western Mediterranean… Venice was definitely stronger so you were right but I always think Genoa deserves a shoutout

  • Scott Kirby
    Scott Kirby 6 months ago +8

    Yes the eastern trade was a major factor in the wealth of Venice but they had other MAJOR economic drivers, especially they dominated the salt trade in much of Europe (in fact was their major trade for much of their history and was made in their Greek colonies). And this salt trade brought in far more in taxes at several times in the long history of the republic. Which does not even account for their finished good exports of glass (since they basically invented the European glass traditions in Murano) and famously sought after rope (yeah sounds silly now but was a major business in the Vento at one time)

  • Jovan
    Jovan 6 months ago +2864

    “Why Venice’s geography sucks”
    Becomes wealthiest city on the continent due to geography

    • 🐈טאָר רעדט מאַגיק טיש🐱
      🐈טאָר רעדט מאַגיק טיש🐱 13 hours ago

      It Said Worst Placed City

    • Cristiano Vianello
      Cristiano Vianello 12 days ago

      If the sea level rises 1,2m, Venice will be only one of 1000s city disappearing under the sea and considering that it is so famous and loved by the majority of the world, it has better chances to be saved the the most. So I wouldn't be so pessimistic for Venice future. Worst case scenario,we go for the garbage lagoon :D

    • Wanka Wanka
      Wanka Wanka 14 days ago

      Not good for the long game

    • Jou t7
      Jou t7 2 months ago

      @Jesper Bruce
      Its that Venice is still small 150 thousand people city in the 1500s and so it had no way to compete properly against the big Portuguese nation and so other big european nations could eaisly go conquer the world, while Venice could do nothing and just watch and now it starts then sinking.

    • some random seal
      some random seal 2 months ago

      @Daniele the better are u Spanish because I'm very dissapointed as a Spaniard myself

  • Davide Casarin
    Davide Casarin 6 months ago +2

    Great video with lots of correct info, I just have 3 corrections.
    The MOSE system should be translated as Moses, to whom it clearly refers.
    Venice in not on 1 island and not thousands, they are 118.
    The migration that founded the city was only from the neighbouring town of Altino.
    The graphics show the whole of northern Italy fleeing to a village...

  • Lakazdi Design
    Lakazdi Design 4 months ago

    I was in Venice during those 4 of the worst 10 floods ever in November 2019. It was really tragic watching the local stores loosing their stock and cleaning out their shops four times in a week.

  • Bangs Cutter
    Bangs Cutter 6 months ago +1

    I visited Venice 10 years ago in 2011, during the summer peak tourist season. It was already crowded with tourists, everyone bumping shoulders along the main alleys. I can't imagine how much worse the crowding must have gotten now.

  • AXperience
    AXperience 6 months ago

    Would it be possible to redirect the previously diverted sediment depositing rivers? Although it may shrink the lagoon over time, it could save the architecture and history of the city

  • Lifeblood Core
    Lifeblood Core 6 months ago +1083

    It's ironic how Venice was once great at keeping people who didn't live there out for strategic reasons but now one of its biggest problems is too many foreign visitors coming in at a time

    • Michael Pettersson
      Michael Pettersson 5 months ago +1

      @Dave Davids They can bring down the numbers by insanely jacking up the price so mass tourism isn't a thing anymore. If only the rich and wealthy can go, if it becomes a more exclusive experience, they still bring in the cash.

    • Michael Pettersson
      Michael Pettersson 5 months ago

      That is because it's economy changed from trade to tourism. Tourism based economies are like vultures on a corpse.

    • STOP TRANSLATING VIDEO TITLES!
      STOP TRANSLATING VIDEO TITLES! 5 months ago

      Their biggest problem? I'm pretty sure their biggest problem are the more and more frequent floodings coming from the fact the city is sinking into the sea!
      And that's not because of the mass of tourists pushing the city down, lol!

    • Tattooed Traveler
      Tattooed Traveler 6 months ago

      As of next year there's a waiting list and an entry fee.

    • Zoltan
      Zoltan 6 months ago +1

      @Yassin The city itself is sinking not just the sea rise. The tourists are too heavy:D

  • Bakubread
    Bakubread 6 months ago +4

    I think it's interesting that fixing part of the initial problem, that being opening the lagoon to the adriatic, is now seen as a bad thing because we're so godawful at handling our own garbage, to the extent that the idea of "handle the garbage issue in the lagoon" isn't even brought up as a solution

  • Tristan Heath
    Tristan Heath 6 months ago +1

    What if they took all their boats out of the water? With increasing population means more boats, more boats means more water displacement. Being that it is a lagoon this could actually add up.

  • Matthias S1234
    Matthias S1234 6 months ago +1

    In some magazine a long time ago I read about a technology where they somehow would pump silt or other material slowly beneath the foundation of a single hour in Venice, slowly raising it bit by bit, until it was lifted up by like 10 centimeters or so. Maybe that tech could be implemented for the entire city, but that would be a huge undertaking, lifting up an entire city that is built in the ocean.

  • StanleyKewbeb1
    StanleyKewbeb1 5 months ago

    Rome was also not initially an ocean-going civilization. When they first tried anchoring their fleets on the English Channel, the tide tore them apart. But they eventually built naval bases on the North Sea.

  • DaanDanx
    DaanDanx 6 months ago +2780

    Still waiting for the "Why Prague is the most normal city in the world" video

    • Tartessic Kingdom
      Tartessic Kingdom 2 hours ago

      @Blake Lonsdale-Cook spain is probably the least racist european country, what are you talking about? haven you ever even travelled abroad?

    • lil werner
      lil werner 15 days ago

      doesn't prague have a huge sex trafficking and opioid epidemic

    • ~josiah~ #standwithukraine
      ~josiah~ #standwithukraine 26 days ago

      @ɗɑɭəʏ They need to watch Goat Story.

    • Blake Lonsdale-Cook
      Blake Lonsdale-Cook Month ago +2

      @shin qqing Simple. Don't give money to people. They have a scammer problem, not a mugger problem. As long as you aren't stupid, you're going to be fine.

    • Blake Lonsdale-Cook
      Blake Lonsdale-Cook Month ago

      @Prokratius Yeah... No. That probably goes to *insert Spanish city here.*

  • BD
    BD 5 months ago

    It is really cool to start this by explaining the factors that made Venice so damn successful so that you can reveal it’s those exact same factors that are kicking it’s ass now

  • KatieandKevin Sears
    KatieandKevin Sears 5 months ago

    I'm happy this video covers all the issues causing the flooding problem in Venice. It's not just blaming climate change, but everything that contributed.

  • Funny Bunny
    Funny Bunny Month ago +1

    I remember visiting Venice it was beautiful but to fall in that water is nasty it stunk especially in the summer, also living there would be so inconvenient I remember there were people who’d fall in the water in winter, also some front doors were in weird places, magical place to visit but to live in would be a nightmare in my opinion

  • Rob Meagher
    Rob Meagher 3 months ago

    Got lucky when I was there - no flooding but also one of the rare occasions there were no cruise ships in town... got 2 days and 2 nights seeing this beautiful city in relative peace and quiet. Day 3 2 or 3 ships arrived... glad I was on the way out!

  • Clone
    Clone 6 months ago +443

    The geography actually made the city, and helped it flourish for 800+years. Quite unfortunate how that changed, but overall I wouldnt say it sucked in the grand scheme of things.

    • bram bram
      bram bram Month ago

      @MrKaiyooo sure there was cool stuff in the history of Italy, but damn how did the invasion of Africa go? Or Greece 0.0

    • Jaromir
      Jaromir 2 months ago +2

      Lol yes historically speaking it's actually a very well placed city. Protected by lagoons making it difficult to conquer, close to Italy, France, Germany, it was a natural passing point of europe for the trade with the east. It isn't without reason why Venice became the most powerful merchant republic.

    • MrKaiyooo
      MrKaiyooo 4 months ago +2

      Italy wasn't really nerfed. It's still strong. Large mountains, harbors on both sides, the land routes are only from the top through mountains. The most vunrable route leading to Croatia and Slovenia. Which is still incredibly defensible. If it wasn't for German tribes parting up itally and afterwards principalities deviding itally for centuries, invaders would have a much larger problem with invading throughout history of itally would just be one country like Spain. Meanwhile itally is great at projecting power. Throughout history there have been many countries plagued by itally. If just a city can conquer a quarter of the Mediterranean. The Milanese were mercenaries everywhere including Russia. The Romans existed. Mussolini could invade Africa but the allies had a terrible time invading itally.

    • Nunya Biznes
      Nunya Biznes 6 months ago +20

      It's pretty much like Italy itself, nerfed by patches.

  • Deniz Iacob
    Deniz Iacob 6 months ago +1

    And by the way, fun fact: the MOSE system is in function since last year, however EVERY time it rises (very common in fall and winter) it cost about 200k-300k euros to the province.

  • 🇬🇧EAPhantom1
    🇬🇧EAPhantom1 6 months ago +1

    Awwww... uncertain days ahead for Venice , despite efforts made.
    Venice is of course listed on UNESCO.
    Such an ancient beauty.
    Still loving your videos Reallifelolre! and of course - Mr Texan - Host

  • Steve K
    Steve K 6 months ago

    Surely you could combat rising sea levels by deepening the sea by either digging on the sea floor, or digging large tunnels and flooding them along the shorelines?

  • Evan Yount
    Evan Yount 3 months ago +1

    Being a Texas Tech alumnus who lived in Lubbock. The second you said about 200,000 people I immediately thought "oh, about the same size as Lubbock" and then you made the comparison right after me. 😂

  • DrD94
    DrD94 6 months ago +320

    Actually, the 260k population figure is quite misleading. It represents the population of the whole Venice metropolitan area, much of which is actually built on the mainland, with regular streets and cars (source: I live there). The population of the historic city is less than 60k people, ever decreasing because of insanely high rents and the difficulties of living in such a peculiar place. Even people who would like to continue living there are often forced to move on the mainland because they just cannot afford otherwise. So all the percentages quoted in the videos are 4x higher, which is even more impressive.

    • Ceper
      Ceper 2 months ago

      @CCP-BOT69-420 And thats the number of surrounding municipals, the city Copenhagen itself has a 63% bike use and cars account for 10% of all transport

    • Ceper
      Ceper 2 months ago

      @CCP-BOT69-420 Bicycles are increasing very quickly throughout europe. Copenhagen (which has been known as the City of Bikes for a while) is pushing bike use more than anyone in the world, so much so it got the name Copenhaganize (Cities building/changing infrastructure to suit bikes more than cars) and to a point whereas 50% of all travel in the city is by bikes. Amsterdam is at a cool 47% as far as i remember.

    • CCP-BOT69-420
      CCP-BOT69-420 4 months ago +2

      @Bruce Bonner First you say "countless countries and cities don't have cars/private vehicles", then you say - "70 countries of the 200+ don't have vehicles in general". So can you count them or not?
      Ether this is very poorly phrased or misquoted or just plainly not true. Even if you change the word vehicles, to cars, I still can't see that being correct. Do you have a source for that?
      And this bit leaves out Australia and New Zealand, as well as Korea and many European countries - "Vehicles are more of a Chinese, America, Russian, Japanese, Indian problem"

    • Bruce Bonner
      Bruce Bonner 5 months ago +3

      @Kate S wtf you talking about...countless countries and cities don't have cars/private vehicles...but you can't do anything about the fact of hauling goods/products. You're soo closed minded you don't realize that over 70 countries of the 200+ don't have vehicles in general.
      Besides walking, bicycles and motorcycles are the most popular forms of transportation worldwide. Vehicles are more of a Chinese, America, Russian, Japanese, Indian problem

    • HKI
      HKI 5 months ago +2

      Source: I live there ,😂

  • Proboscidean K.
    Proboscidean K. 6 months ago

    Why has Venice never thought to ask nicely (and maybe send over a few ducats) for the Netherlands to send over a boat full of Dutch engineers to arrive and solve the problems?

  • Joshi
    Joshi 4 days ago

    Overpriced projects (Stuttgart 21, BER airport) or UNESCO world heritage that is endangered/revoked (Dresden Elbe Valley) also exists in Germany. Our two countries have a lot in common.

  • yogurt idiot
    yogurt idiot 6 months ago

    I've actually been in Venice and I also rode one of the boats there and it was a fairly pleasant city.

  • Spikee Donut
    Spikee Donut 3 months ago

    I want to visit Venice just once so i can see a city with such a large historical impact before it is consumed by the sea probably within my lifetime

  •  ShortHax
     ShortHax 6 months ago +4204

    When you spawn on an island with a single tree

    • Sarah Allen
      Sarah Allen 4 months ago +1

      @DaanDanx pretty sure that's paris

    • spycrab
      spycrab 6 months ago

      @scream y

    • Strender Z
      Strender Z 6 months ago

      🇦🇶

    • scream
      scream 6 months ago

      let's not talk about minecraft

  • Brock Ary
    Brock Ary 6 months ago

    It seems to me that they value there buildings and the money that the tourists brings. They need to bight the bullet and either raise their buildings or bring in enough dirt and rock to bring the hight of the islands higher than the water level, losing the first floor of every building. Personally I would like to see a combination of both. If they could raise all buildings about 3 or 4 meters and fill in under it and set it down so it's well above the water level.
    I'm not an engineer but I know this can be done. It just takes the willingness to do it.

  • DRST
    DRST 6 months ago +2

    as a young venetian student I can only hope a better future for my beautiful city! 🙂

  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 2 months ago

    Historically speaking it's actually a very well placed city. Protected by lagoons making it difficult to conquer, close to Italy, France, Germany, it was a natural passing point of middle europe for the trade with the east. It isn't without reason why Venice became the most powerful merchant republic.

  • Kalo Arepo
    Kalo Arepo 6 months ago +1

    Basically the Venetians had no choice as to where they located their city -it was to go to a safe place away from the invading barbarians - away from the Huns and particularly the Germanic Lombards who invaded most of northern Italy from across the Alps and as they didn't have a fleet the Venetians were safe in their sea world.The original Venice was on the mainland-Altinum I think it was called in Roman times.

  • HarryWessex
    HarryWessex 6 months ago +833

    Venicians must have absolutely loved the lockdown, where their city was finally quiet. I'd honestly loved to her a local talk about how much they enjoyed it.

    • Joao Omega
      Joao Omega 11 days ago

      Yeah and go broke, you can't please these people, it's impossible.

    • Thomas Ludwig Kelley
      Thomas Ludwig Kelley Month ago +1

      not all Venetian ! All the ones which lost their businesses (not just tourists) had a different view.....

    • OnboardG1
      OnboardG1 3 months ago

      @Alice Hargest Exactly how I felt. Edinburgh is strange when it's that quiet. There was a day I walked into town and the harr had come in and it was like something out of a 19th century horror novel.

    • HarryWessex
      HarryWessex 4 months ago

      @vodkaforkids Yeah, I found 55,000 people but also 260,000 but the density was for the area that has 260,000.
      We have Island Cities and Towns in the UK too, and the one that's a city (Portsmouth) is very densely populated

    • vodkaforkids
      vodkaforkids 4 months ago +1

      @HarryWessex The problem is that when you look up the numbers for Venice, it includes the mainland territories under the city jurisdiction. If you look up the data of only the islands, it's about a 6.25 people per km². I wouldn't say that's densely populated. But I also did the calculations by myself because as you said, it was hard finding precise information. From some of the city resources I've found that the rough area of *just* the islands is about 8.000km² and the most recent data about the residents sits at ~50.000.
      Correct me if I'm wrong and find better sources.

  • Daniel Åsbjørnsson
    Daniel Åsbjørnsson 4 months ago

    The whole city is a work of art. I visited as a 9 year old boy in 2006, and have never forgotten the experience.

  • BlahVideosBlahBlah
    BlahVideosBlahBlah 6 months ago

    Venice: "You guys are 30% over budget and taking 80% longer than you promised! That's absolutely criminal!"
    Boeing Aerospace: "Those are rookie numbers. Hold my beer..."

  • Alice Muse
    Alice Muse 5 months ago

    Not an engineer by any means, lol, but it seems to me it would make more ecological/commercial sense to put Venice in its own fishbowl by building a permanent sea wall around it and then artifically controling the water level (& filtering/exchanging the water) inside the fishbowl. Then let the rest of the lagoon deal with the sea changes naturaly and not obstruct commercial ship traffic.

  • Tom Monk
    Tom Monk Month ago

    I absolutely love Venice. It is a world treasure. Venice is taking steps to ease the crush of tourist crowds. They have banned large cruise ships from going there. That is a good step. Everything that can be done must to done to save the city from the rising water. I was there last for 10 days in 2018. The history of Venice is fascinating, and it must be preserved if possible.

  • Pipikaka
    Pipikaka 6 months ago +529

    Was in Venice one month ago. It’s a magnificent city of unmatched beauty. It’s a unique city in the world. Hope the Italians can find a way around the drowning problem and preserve this jewel of North Italy 🇮🇹 Greetings from Greece to all the Italians

    • Cristiano Vianello
      Cristiano Vianello 12 days ago

      Thank you, as a Venician I love you and I love Greece as well. I have been there many times in Rhodes, Creta, Athens, Santorini, Samos, Paros, Lesbos and Limnos. And I am going back to Rhodes this July. Great food, great people and great nature

    • Daniele Fabbro
      Daniele Fabbro 16 days ago

      @Commisar Yarreck who you think have invented those pumps? 😑

    • Thomas Ludwig Kelley
      Thomas Ludwig Kelley Month ago

      efgaristo poli ! From a not Italian living in VE since more than 20 (sinking) years

    • SpaniardsR Moors
      SpaniardsR Moors 4 months ago

      @John Perry FJB!

    • John Perry
      John Perry 4 months ago +1

      @SpaniardsR Moors Woah, calm down with all the nationalism Mussolini.

  • FiredAndIced
    FiredAndIced 6 months ago

    Basically, during the Age of Discovery, the Mediterranean Sea dominance was up-ended by greater powers finding a way to circumventing the need to go through hostile civilisations and claim the lands that gave them their produces-spices, slaves, silk-.

  • A. M.
    A. M. 5 months ago

    My grandpa lived in Venice and used to walk across san Marco square to go to school. Then the family for various reasons moved to Lombardy (near Milan) but I can't immagine how good it was living in Venice in the 50's when there weren't that many tourists

  • OECV 8492
    OECV 8492 5 months ago +1

    There is an old Portuguese joke about Venice that goes like this :
    A couple of portuguese hillbillies went to Venice for the first time on a honeymoon . When they came back , a friend asked them how was the trip , many of them asked a bit jealous , it must have been pretty romantic no? They immediately answered: It was awful, water everywhere, it was so flooded that people had to use boats to move around , there was so much water that we barely left the hotel …
    It’s an old joke that with the climate change …Starts to lose its fun hahah.

  • TheSpangster
    TheSpangster Month ago

    One other thing which you didn´t address is that this lagoon is a perfect place when it rains to keep the rain water above and separated to the salt/dirt-water below that. This is highly used to preserve drink water there but dehydrating the ground under the buildings makes those even sink more...

  • Pamady
    Pamady 6 months ago +1260

    New Orleans : "Finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary"

    • Solid_Snake
      Solid_Snake 2 days ago

      AAAAAAAAAAA🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹🥰❤️❤️❤️❤️ WE WILL WIN

    • Sam van der Linden
      Sam van der Linden 5 months ago +1

      @Captain Splatter definitely not fine. Structues will crumble because there is no foundation

    • Captain Splatter
      Captain Splatter 5 months ago

      @Sam van der Linden ya but mexico city is safe from rising sea levels. So unless it gets a lot of rain its fine. Worst i can see happening is sink holes everywhere.

    • Arcelia Garcia Mejia
      Arcelia Garcia Mejia 6 months ago +2

      Mexico city: do you have earthquakes?

    • HuckleB680
      HuckleB680 6 months ago

      You stole my comment...

  • Wouter Verbruggen
    Wouter Verbruggen 6 months ago +1

    Seems they've been learning from the Dutch, hope the tech helps them as much as it helped my western countrymen!

  • AnarchistMetalhead
    AnarchistMetalhead 6 months ago

    what prevents Venice from redirecting the rivers back into the lagoon, and filling up everything except the famous waterfronts and the internal canals?

  • IJDTechno
    IJDTechno 6 months ago +1

    Europe: *keeps old buildings*
    People: “Wow so cool!”
    South East Asia: *keeps old buildings*
    People: “Old and poor”

  • Edward J. Cunningham
    Edward J. Cunningham 6 months ago

    I saw somewhere else that there is a ferry system in Venice which is the local equivalent of a bus line. Half of the ferries' seats are reserved for locals while the other half are for tourists. If they didn't do this, the actual residents of Venice would never be able to ride it.

  • Syed Raid
    Syed Raid 6 months ago +1086

    If Venice was an inland city, I doubt it would have been this popular.
    Edit: Besides, the city was built in the sea for defence. So the city would have been long sacked and stripped of its riches otherwise. In that sense, during its golden age, Venice's geography was perfect.

    • rgaud8
      rgaud8 6 months ago +1

      @Syed Raid If New York City was in Wyoming, it would probably have less people.

    • Kedar Patil
      Kedar Patil 6 months ago +1

      Because the phenomenon of climate change and rising sea levels didn't exist back then.

    • Missouri Re sole
      Missouri Re sole 6 months ago

      Exactly

    • Max
      Max 6 months ago

      @James Dallas But not Popular more like New Orleans that have bad geography

    • James DeMarr
      James DeMarr 6 months ago

      @Nicola Scarpa lmao fr

  • Sandro Cenni
    Sandro Cenni Month ago

    I have a small correction to make on the Venetians against the Ottomans. They did not decide to fight them alone, but after several requests for help, they were left alone to fight them. The Peninsula was very much fragmented and collectively ignored the danger from the east until it was too late. John Julius Norwich in his excellent A History of Venice explains this far better than I can.

  • UnitedPebbles
    UnitedPebbles 5 months ago

    You could imagine the stone structures atop cause the muddy land mass to gradually sink? If only it can anchor itself to other land mass or scanned where it is rocky underneath to build pillars that supported the whole brownstone structure?

  • KONEY
    KONEY 5 months ago

    For the record, I witnessed the first test MOSE gate module floating in the lagoon since 1989.

  • Michael D'Ambrosio
    Michael D'Ambrosio 3 months ago

    Odd considering, my family is from there for a few hundred years. History of Venice has a history of rarel ever invaded to its location. The water ways made it ideal for trading. The arsenal which could turn out a ship a day due to production chain and became very rich over its almost 1000 year republic. Worst placed city? Oh idk about that.

  • Sergio Basilio
    Sergio Basilio 6 months ago +166

    There are ways to visit Venice without staying at the island. Italy has great colective transport (specially at the north), and it can be used to go directly to the old city being in the surrounded areas. In my case I was hosted in Milan and I made a day trip to Venice using the high-speed train. You can see all the important places of the city on one day and also preserve the city beauty, wich can be disapointing due the huge amount of tourists. As tourists we can respect this city and preserve it.

    • Thomas Ludwig Kelley
      Thomas Ludwig Kelley Month ago

      "at the island "???????? Venezia has more than 100 of them !!!!!!

    • Elektero
      Elektero 6 months ago +4

      you missed the best part, the sunset in Venice after daily tourists are gone

    • Dillinger
      Dillinger 6 months ago

      Or just not go at all

    • Nicola Scarpa
      Nicola Scarpa 6 months ago +38

      Daily visitors are exactly the main problems. They rush to see “the important places”, don’t have time to get to know the city any better than in a consumerist, postcard-like way. That’s exactly what should be avoided; the only way to know and respect Venice, as any other important historical city, is to getting a little prepared and allow yourself to spend the time she deserves.

  • Mark Rowland
    Mark Rowland 6 months ago

    In 1974 in Venice, I heard how dewatering the soils beneath the Lagoon, The city was sinking. Forty years on and nothing's changed.

  • 8-Bit Emerald Enzo
    8-Bit Emerald Enzo 6 months ago

    My uncle is currently in Venice and he's working abroad there, I guess for a few months. My uncle works abroad in foreign countries for more than half a year. Sure, Venice is beautiful, but it may have a lot of problems.

  • raznaak
    raznaak 19 days ago

    "In the end, no amount of technology can possibly [save Venice]."
    Duh, just put a bigass jack under the city and crank it up at the same rate than the lowering land!
    Or eventually make Venice the first floating city on antigrav engines!

  • Paul Bennett
    Paul Bennett 6 months ago +1

    Excellent presentation! Historically, Venice shows what can be achieved by welcoming immigration and outside influences.

  • Caesar Loðbrok
    Caesar Loðbrok 6 months ago +827

    This whole "Cities your grandkids probably won't see" series is kinda depressing.

    • J A
      J A 5 months ago

      In the Philippines, we got the entirity of Metro Manila, Metro Cebu, Metro IloIlo, and Zamboanga City among many other Philippine cities that are likely sunk by 2100

    • Alex Bosworth
      Alex Bosworth 5 months ago

      @Sava S. Part of Mexico City is sinking, though it’ll definitely be there for centuries if not millennia. Venice however, how depressing.

    • Cryies
      Cryies 5 months ago

      @Kedar Patil nah the dutch will just conqure the sea and turn it into land

    • Kate S
      Kate S 6 months ago +1

      Not for me, I am smarter than that, and won't have any kids and grandkids

    • Chilapa of the Amazons
      Chilapa of the Amazons 6 months ago +3

      Venice will still be there in a thousand years.
      The MOSE system mentioned in the video is now operational and it works.

  • Renz
    Renz 6 months ago

    How about redirecting the Adriatic sea's flow to Venice, Redirect it either East or North west past Venice. Venice will dry up a bit having more space for tourists but at the same time saving it from sinking.

  • marlovesester
    marlovesester 6 months ago

    i would love to visit Venice, it looks gorgous!! I'm orignally from a city very close to Venice but my family moved and i never got to visit it yet

  • Monterino Overson
    Monterino Overson Month ago

    Venice's beginning came from early sailors towing logs out and driving them into the mud and building upon these footings.

  • Jintana Rawdsukumaal
    Jintana Rawdsukumaal 6 months ago

    My favorite series of RLL : explaining why each city's/country's geography sucks

  • wıı | varıous #prayforukraine

    As someone that lives in Venice, Im officially kinda sad hearing this.

  • Mattia Carradori
    Mattia Carradori 6 months ago

    @RealLifeLore
    Very nice video; there is just one important misinformation which is that Venice itself counts less than 50 thousand people! The overall number of 260k includes cities on the mainland like Mestre and Marghera which are under Venice municipality!
    The city on the water is drastically loosing citizens!

  • bruno alves
    bruno alves Month ago

    7:59 Correction: Vasco da Gama didn't discover the Cape of good hope. It was discovered long ago and a main obstacle for the Portuguese for some time. It was known as the Cape of torments. Eventually Bartolomeu Dias managed to cross it and it became the Cape of Good Hope, opening the way for Vasco da Gama who was the first european to reach India by boat.

  • Matt Ellis
    Matt Ellis 5 months ago

    Correction. The carthaginians produced mass assembly way before venice when constructing their ships. How we open a box today and parts are labeled as part G or H etc etc Carthage invented that process and Rome stole it and said it was their own idea.

  • Jarl Balgruuf
    Jarl Balgruuf 6 months ago +119

    The idea of a medieval civilization being able to build whole warships in a day is absolutely mind-boggling to me

    • Yashas
      Yashas 3 months ago

      Throughput of one ship per day but latency could be an year.

    • Bryan Hiebert
      Bryan Hiebert 6 months ago +1

      Cope

    • RetrO’s Roblox Reviews
      RetrO’s Roblox Reviews 6 months ago +1

      Stolen comment

    • Fatoeki
      Fatoeki 6 months ago +2

      Of course they didn't make a whole new ship a day that's very inefficient compared to making a lot of a longer period

    • dscrive
      dscrive 6 months ago +11

      @Dragnarok 🏆 this quote seems to line up with my conjecture: "The Arsenal often kept up to 100 galleys in different stages of production and maintenance. That way, once a galley was launched, another could be immediately put into the finishing stages of production."

  • Mackenzie Beeney
    Mackenzie Beeney 6 months ago

    Couldn’t you reroute the rivers back into the lagoon? Let the silt start building up? Or just fill it around the city island?

  • Rahul Sharma
    Rahul Sharma 5 months ago

    Venice is beautiful and different from other cities of Europe.
    I really enjoyed it

  • mistasomen
    mistasomen 2 months ago +1

    Anyone who's ever worked with an Italian contractor will know that 8 years over deadline and twice the budget is more like standard procedure than mismanagement.

  • EpreTroll
    EpreTroll 5 months ago +5

    Should hire some Dutch

  • Turtle Squad Boss
    Turtle Squad Boss 6 months ago

    Shoutout to your inspired fan Australiaball Animates
    Also you’re probably spending a ton of time making these videos and posting so much lately,
    you deserve a long break when you want one bro. You have taught me so much lately yet so much of your time is editing videos. Thank you so much for the free education RLL!

  • João Lopes
    João Lopes 6 months ago

    Hey, Portuguese here. Minor correction regarding the portuguese discovery of the sea route to India. The first rounding of the Cape of Good Hope was in 1488 by the Portuguese explorer, Bartolomeu Dias. Vasco da Gama, in his voyage to India, rounded the cape in November 1497, and later reached India in May 1498. So, Vasco da Gama was the first to discover and navigate the sea route to India, but he wasn't the first to round the Cape of Good Hope.
    PS: great video nonetheless

  • ETOL Live Coding
    ETOL Live Coding 4 months ago

    I m born in Venice, I have lived in Venice almost all my life. Most of the information in this video are simply completely wrong. I mean, not slightly. Completely wrong.

  • Matthew Ferrantino
    Matthew Ferrantino 13 days ago

    Move the buildings. Get them off of their current foundations and disperse them throughout the north Adriatic coast. Give Venice the rights to claim more of the land around themselves and physically relocate the museum pieces to higher ground.

  • Caden Grace
    Caden Grace 6 months ago

    On the contrary, Venice is in an ideal location, but it needs some serious help and forward thinking to make it all it can be for the modern world. How to do that? Easy. Transform the outer islands into a continuous unbroken causeway completely cutting off the waters around Venice from Adriatic. Raise this causeway high enough that the sea will never - at its worst- have a chance to over top it. This area should be wide enough for its own modern development with hotels, expensive seas-side villas, shopping, cruise terminals and anything that is an amenity to the tourist and financially secure home owner.
    There would still be a pair of locks leading from the Adriatic to what would now be the Venice Lagoon. These would be traversed by obscenely expensive yachts and cruise liners docking at Venice proper. The Lagoon would become a protected habitat and because it would neither be all fresh water or all sea water it would develop a unique ecosystem. But, mostly importantly, the Lagoon would be 20 feet below sea level, raising Venice out of the damp.
    I am sure once a project took off, many other great ideas would be tied to it. Venice would be a Queen's City.

  • Colin Copland
    Colin Copland 6 months ago

    Meanwhile, another European locality that has canals (and is below sea level), the Netherlands, experiences few flooding incidences.
    Venice needs to give a call to the Dutch, just saying.

  • Zaedar Tsarn
    Zaedar Tsarn 6 months ago

    The whole "living museum" bit is the ENTIRE problem with Venice.
    Contrary to how this guy makes it sound the Aqua Alta, the "High Water", isn't a new thing. It's been a feature of the Lagoon since forever, mostly in the winter. And while yes the Aqua Alta flooding hitting a meter or more high is getting more and more frequent (the historical norm is more like a foot/30-ish centimeters) it's still just a slight intensifying of something the city has been dealing with for longer than most of the very cultures you hail from have existed.
    What's changed is that over the last 500-ish years the money to do what needs to be done hasn't always been there, and the last 200-ish years various governmental and super-governmental bodies have just added red tape in the name of "muh preservation efforts".
    The first problem can rightly be blamed on the Portuguese, who are the absolute masters of altering the course of human history, usually to the catastrophic detriment of a sizable group of people, with 0 f*cks given. I mean... trans-Atlantic slave trade anyone? Oh wait, you thought that was British America, and was about cotton farming in the dirty south, and was proof that the USA is a horrible racist nation, and the worst place to ever exist? lol nah, the Portuguese bruh. Their colony, Brazil, was the first country use chattel slaves from Africa. The early sugar and later coffee trades were literally built on the backs of slave labour. 40-45% (depending on who's counting) of all slaves taken across the Atlantic from Africa were brought by Portuguese flagged ships (of course after being purchased from the real root-perpetrators of the African slave trade... [drumroll]... OTHER AFRICANS!!! What, did you think white people were like regularly staging raids on the African interior to round up slaves or something? Please, what do you take us for... Arabs/Muslims?), and Brazil was the last country in the western hemisphere to ban slavery. In 1888. 25 years after the emancipation proclamation.
    The second problem is on you, and roughly 70-80% of all people living in developed nations around the world, who have actually managed to get themselves brainwashed into thinking that institutions and bureaucracy can accomplish things on purpose. They can't. Whenever they accomplish anything it is by accident, and most of the time they just cause even more even worse problems than they'll ever accidentally solve simply by existing. Individuals solve problems. Less power to systems and more power to individuals.

  • CantabitVidentis
    CantabitVidentis 3 months ago

    I can’t even believe you dropped a SpongeBob reference in an otherwise dense video about politics, geography, economics, ecology and environment.
    Made the video that much better honestly.

  • Alvise Dal bello
    Alvise Dal bello 6 months ago +33

    I am a Venetian. The actual population of Venice city center has only actually 40 000 citizens, not 260 000. During the peak periods (in summer) there are around 200 000 /250 000 tourists per day in venice center. It means that for every 1 Venetian there are over than 5 tourists walking and crowding the streets😱😱

    • Cristiano Vianello
      Cristiano Vianello 12 days ago

      don't exagerate, it is around 55.000

    • SCINTILLAM DEI
      SCINTILLAM DEI 4 months ago

      @Ararune "I saw your channel"
      Thanks. I never will see yours though because you're not special. You know how many liars are out there? You know how many empty rhetoric lovers are out there?
      You know how many non-free-thinkersare out there?

    • SCINTILLAM DEI
      SCINTILLAM DEI 4 months ago

      @Ararune You: "I can't beat your arguments so I'm going to insult you!" :-)
      You self-righteous people are dedicated to increasing your guilt for Judgment Day, but for your insults, I forgive you, and for wasting my time.

  • NCore G
    NCore G 6 months ago

    Okay, we've seen so many videos about cities that sinking. I can't wait for you to make a video about Jakarta because it is a complicated one.
    Well, Vox already made one though, but I want to see it in your perspective.
    Beware of the Indonesians that will rush to that video though, because that topic is kinda sensitive politically within society in the region.

  • Its Myright
    Its Myright 6 months ago

    "Thank You so much for watching", he says, when we're the ones getting quality history lessons for free

  • Liza
    Liza 3 months ago

    It is so easy to travel from venice everywhere. An hour to the airport from San Marco. An hour flight to any place in Europe 🥰

  • Robert Hoff
    Robert Hoff 6 months ago

    1 build a wall around venice 2 allow water through locks attached to the walls around venice that will allow the lagoon to act normality while protecting venice the locks along the 3 inlets were a waste of time

  • Wouter van Verseveld
    Wouter van Verseveld 6 months ago +717

    As a dutchman, I can confidently say that those guys are amateurs.

    • Thomas Ludwig Kelley
      Thomas Ludwig Kelley 11 days ago

      Amateurs : thats is something called arrogance ! Ignorance :Its simply not the same ........neither technically n or FINANCIALLY .....the NL are a basically flat land with all kind of streets , not a system of 62 islands (more than 100 counting little ones as well). Even your once dutch-DAF-Trucks would remain on the mainland......or sink! Consideration: first thinking, than informing and than making remarks !

    • Daniele Fabbro
      Daniele Fabbro 16 days ago

      @Ciprian Popa what? You are going to tell that to the Spaniards? Isnt it better say that to the Dutch and Belgians? 🤣🤣🤣
      After all, they are now the postal cards of Europe both for political power and for economic power.
      You know, you can blame us Italians for corruption, but the reality is that corruption came only if there's something to steal. Quite funny that in those countries there's almost none. 🤣🤣🤣

    • Daniele Fabbro
      Daniele Fabbro 16 days ago

      @Sully Chowder ah we know it, we all knows how European colonial empires was lucrative and rich. Just wildly exploits everything it's possible. Even natives. 👍

    • Faze StepBro
      Faze StepBro Month ago

      @SCINTILLAM DEI you are a hypocrite you claim that we don't acknowledge what spain took. while spain has an immeasurable affect on history its only the 5th largest historical empire. you are the one cherry picking things that spain did.

  • Ameer Abual-einein
    Ameer Abual-einein 5 months ago

    Hey, RLL! I really enjoy your videos and have been watching since like, 2017! I’m from a sort-of country neighboring Israel, Jordan, and Egypt. Greetings from the Nationalist Authoritarian State of Palestine 🇵🇸

  • Tyler Aschen
    Tyler Aschen 6 months ago +2

    15:47 So, the sea will rise 6 to 11 meters? Somehow I doubt that. If that was the case, then almost every coastal city in the world would be in trouble and already flooding, not just Venice. I think the numbers in the prediction must be millimeters.

    • Thomas Ludwig Kelley
      Thomas Ludwig Kelley Month ago

      that's the problem when you play with unknown things (like metric-system)