Zen 2 - Building up to Computex

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  • FellTheSky
    FellTheSky 2 months ago

    it only took 1.85v to get 5 ghz 12 core

  • Corgany Lothar
    Corgany Lothar 2 months ago

    with so many releases what if amd saturates zen prematurely and intel catches up and thing go back to how they were ? could that happen ?

  • Marek Pilař
    Marek Pilař 3 months ago

    How much time in advance are motherboard manufacturers and others given samples for upcoming cpus? Is it possible that leak was talking about Zen2+ with 16 core part and 5GHz boosting parts? Or at least Zen2 overclocked/tuned parts so they can make sure there wont be issues with Zen2+ and X570 mobos next year? I am no expert, just trying to find a reason why someone could give you this information :)

  • tiger d
    tiger d 3 months ago +1

    Hello Jim. Do we have an ETA on your Computex analysis?

  • Gabriel Eick
    Gabriel Eick 3 months ago

    just a random question if sony where to make an soc version of the ps3 how big would the chip be at 7nm or 14nm.
    also how do ??nm corespond to density.

  • csx296
    csx296 3 months ago +3

    AMD most likely has these chips Jim spoke about, but you don't play all your cards at once if your weaker cards do the job. If the benchmarks hold up to scrutiny it's enough to make Intel look the bad choice for any type of work load. AMD could be wisely waiting to see Intel's next move before delivering another knock out punch and building up stock of the highly binned chips. All the keyboard warriors out there need to chill out and stop believing rumours are indeed facts.... Get well soon Jim and look forward to your analysis of Computex! :D

    • BudgieFan39
      BudgieFan39 3 months ago

      Those keyboard warriors you speak of probably don't have the brain cells to type a constructive reply to this video, they just rant away, was quite amusing to read some of the comments going around.
      The ironic thing is, it's looking like zen 2 won't need to hit 5 ghz to beat intels current best gaming cpu & as you say I reckon zen 2 could hit 5 ghz if they wanted to but if they can beat intel while running at lower clocks then why would amd show all their cards in one go.

  • Ted Trager
    Ted Trager 3 months ago +5

    LOL at the people going berzerk on Jim. The emotional attachment is just bizarre, like their hearts were seduced into a Shakespearean tragedy. I think Jim should be a little conciliatory, because if the unveiled specs had matched the leaks, he'd be taking tons of credit and feeling pretty godlike. But LOL at people misconstruing his info as "fake news" as if he said "This is what WILL go down at Computex") and thrashing around in spasms because they feel lied to.

    He had the balls to convey his confidence in the info and let it roll, while explaining multiple times that the leaks may or may not come true, because there was simply no way to know.

  • Ted Trager
    Ted Trager 3 months ago +15

    Would be great if you followed up with your sources for comment. Something tells me they'll be mysteriously hard to get a hold of.

  • Thomas Sally
    Thomas Sally 3 months ago +7

    I think it is still a huge win for AMD. Regarding the leaks and speculations.... was as close to reality as New York to Moscow.

  • troy Jefferson
    troy Jefferson 3 months ago +1

    Hey Jim, I have a legitimate question for you. Now that AMD has revealed specs for some of Zen2, Do you think the specs that were leaked to you for zen2 chips were really engineering goals or do you think your sources were just blowing smoke up your ass?
    Hope your health is improving. Don't work yourself too hard with the new website and the channel. Atherosclerosis shouldn't be taken lightly.

  • Andy MaZcoy
    Andy MaZcoy 3 months ago +1

    AMD CPUs@5GHz = 2022
    Intel CPUs@7nm =2022 OH YEAH BABY!!!!!

  • RawLu
    RawLu 3 months ago +1

    \m/ AMD \m/

  • coolkid
    coolkid 3 months ago +4

    512 core, 12GHz, 30 TDP when?

  • Andy Chow
    Andy Chow 3 months ago +11

    This ... hasn't aged well. Please update a new video. R9 3800X is now 12 cores. Will R9 3850X be 12 core or 16 core? Is Threadripper dead?

    • Cam Williams
      Cam Williams 3 months ago

      Threadripper is certainly not dead in a Q&A with Lisa SU she said something about how they'd have to increase the core Count versus the desktop but it is still coming

    • Vyrisus
      Vyrisus 3 months ago +2

      R9 3900X is 12-core. 3800X is 8-core 16-thread.

    • Frank V
      Frank V 3 months ago +1

      Also the clocks are lower and the prices higher.

  • Edward D'Esposito
    Edward D'Esposito 3 months ago +5

    It looks like a change in segmentation more than anything else, although not hitting 5GHz is not a disappointment when they have such great IPC gains.

    • OC Macrobob
      OC Macrobob 3 months ago

      I wonder if they did for segmentation and to hit power targets.

  • Chad O'Hern
    Chad O'Hern 3 months ago +1

    15% IPC increase from cutting the node in half? Color me unimpressed

    • bgtubber
      bgtubber 3 months ago

      🤦‍♂️

    • Tontete
      Tontete 3 months ago +4

      Chad O'Hern Why would IPC have anything to do with the node?

    • Die Gutesten
      Die Gutesten 3 months ago +6

      I'll color you incompetent as a node shrink has nothing to do with IPC

  • EasyGoTech
    EasyGoTech 3 months ago +5

    Lol at the people pissed off at this channel, when they themselves bought into the rumors. This dude was simply speculating the rumors, not telling you these were the facts. You people never learn lol

    • Dr. Fresh_2k
      Dr. Fresh_2k 3 months ago +1

      @Cam Williams 🤣😂😆 What can I say, I love older woman 😘

    • Cam Williams
      Cam Williams 3 months ago +2

      He said he believed it but you never pushed his beliefs everyone else you said take it with a grain of salt so I don't know man also dr. Fresh that's not very fresh to be in everybody's mom

    • Dr. Fresh_2k
      Dr. Fresh_2k 3 months ago +1

      @Benethen NO! He's not. Your mom should stop crying after I put it in her butt. It's not my fault she forgot the safe word.

  • Andrew Bedford
    Andrew Bedford 3 months ago +6

    well, he was wrong, no 12 core 5ghz, its 4.6ghz. In fact no cpu announced yesterday is going to be 5ghz, the most exciting thing is the memory will be 4400mhz, thats astounding.

    • Andrew Bedford
      Andrew Bedford 3 months ago +1

      @Matt Roy, to absolutely own intel, they needed a 5ghz chip, wether it be on, 4c, 6c, 8, 12c, 16c. I think AMD will get away with it for this launch of cpus, but they really need to be bringing 5 ghz, their customers and fan base are now pretty much demanding it, and it was disappointing to not have an out of the box 5ghz chip.
      Dont get me wrong, I think what AMD is doing is super super cool, and giving us a lot more than intel at the moment which is a big fat nothing.

    • Matt Roy
      Matt Roy 3 months ago

      The 12 core R9 3900x that was announced is in fact the R7 3700 from the leak with 10w more. This leads me to believe there is still some tweaking left to be done at the foundry and that there is also a shift in strategy from AMD. 4.6ghz though is not that far away from 5ghz. We still don't know how well this thing overclocks or if it even will be overclockable. If AMD is sandbagging they will surely lock down the chip so that you can't have Zen2+ the same day that you buy Zen2. My guess is that they are not sandbagging but are keeping the best cores for the data center and as 7nm matures they will close in on 5ghz in no time. Zen2+ at this point seems to be more likely than not, at least to me anyways.

  • Zipzeolocke
    Zipzeolocke 3 months ago +1

    Well based on the official news we are getting from Taipei, it looks like your numbers were correct but you labeled them wrong or they were shuffled around at the last minute and we will see the better versions of the chips later in the year lol.
    It turns out the 3900X is the 12 cores 24 threads 3.8GHz base clock and 4.6GHz boost clock
    the 3700X is the 8 cores 16 threads 3.6 GHz base clock and 4.4 GHz boost clock.

    • KingOfGorillas
      KingOfGorillas 3 months ago +1

      actually none of the numbers were right. I think amd changed their skews to meet server demands.

  • Jackson Carlo Ollero
    Jackson Carlo Ollero 3 months ago +4

    Where are you?

    • Dr. Fresh_2k
      Dr. Fresh_2k 3 months ago +2

      @Farjan Ahmed Because I can... 😉

    • Farjan Ahmed
      Farjan Ahmed 3 months ago

      @Dr. Fresh_2k why are you liking your own comments?

    • Dr. Fresh_2k
      Dr. Fresh_2k 3 months ago +1

      @Farjan Ahmed knee deep in his mother's pussycat

    • Farjan Ahmed
      Farjan Ahmed 3 months ago

      @Dr. Fresh_2k no u

  • chadem311
    chadem311 3 months ago +9

    Wow, some folks are so harsh. You were definitely fed some bad info, Jim, and you took the bait. Chalk it up as a learning lesson. That said, let’s not forget that Jim has been right about a lot of stuff, including around Zen 2 (chiplets, anyone?).
    Yes, the leaked Zen 2 prices were flat-out wrong. No doubt about that. But you’ve got to know to always take pricing leaks with a huge grain of salt. They’re almost always wrong because it’s information that companies keep a tight lid on. It’s strictly need-to-know basis. So I’m not surprised that the final prices are higher than those provided by the leaker. It’s also possible that they very recently increased prices across the stack due to lack of competition from Intel. In any event, as I said, price leaks are always dubious.
    The 5ghz boost is a non-issue to me. It’s just not that important in the grand scheme of things. The IPC gains are where it’s at. Also, my guess is that they were originally planning to release the faster 12-core mentioned in the leaks but decided against it because they could beat Intel without it. (Which ties into my point about pricing increases).
    The 16-core is real and just hasn’t be announced yet. I have no doubt about that. It’s their ace in the hole, as it were.
    Overall, the SKU list was not super far off. My guess is that it was an old draft that never got updated, perhaps because the leaker didn’t have the latest and greatest info despite what he/she thought.
    I won’t be un-subbing anytime soon because it still enjoy Jim’s analysis. It’s extremely thorough and well-presented. Hopefully there is a bit less focus on speculation going forward, though.

    • Dr. Fresh_2k
      Dr. Fresh_2k 3 months ago +1

      TBH with you he wasn't really wrong.

    • BudgieFan39
      BudgieFan39 3 months ago +5

      Completely agree, nice to see an "adult" reply for a change, virtually all the recent comments have been from people acting like little kiddies, it's pathetic it really is.
      I think a lot of the pathetic comments are driven by zen 2 not hitting 5ghz but as you say IPC is more important, it's going to be amusing if an 8c/16t Zen 2 ends up beating the 9900k while running at lower clock speeds.

  • Kyle Liu
    Kyle Liu 3 months ago +19

    "Ryzen 5 will have 8C/16T" Nice one man... That definitely was the case.

  • beaR
    beaR 3 months ago +5

    Your leaker was wrong. 12 core is 3.8 - 4.6. Which to me is what I expected. And with minor tweak, Im more than sure I can hit 4.8.

  • Joshua Richards
    Joshua Richards 3 months ago

    Spec sheet is finally here, and: adoredtv.com/amd-announces-ryzen-3000-series-cpus-15-higher-ipc-and-up-to-12-cores/

  • Pseudo Soul
    Pseudo Soul 3 months ago +15

    These leaks have always been outrageous. It seems to be a trend as of late, where extremely unrealistic "leaks" are spread in the months preceding a product launch. Maybe this is just click bait trash or maybe it is worse. It seems to be a form of corporate propaganda in which false information is passed on as a "leak", in an effort to create disappointment in the eyes of us tech consumers. What would otherwise be considered a good product launch, seems disappointing in comparison to all the false hype. Not cool. It is quite possible that your "sources" and/or yourself are in on this charade. Following leaks and rumors is entertaining and fun until you realize that someone is intentionally attempting to alter you perspective (unsubbed).

  • Tahir ibn Mohammad
    Tahir ibn Mohammad 3 months ago +1

    Ok, so the 12 core part is twice as fast as the 1800x in CB R20.... therefore with 33% more cores you could very well indeed be seeing a score of 4200 at those clockspeeds give or take
    Although we can also deduce that the 8 core part demoed previously was a 105 watt part as the 65 watt part gets around 1940 in CB R15, as she said it is 28% faster than than the 9700K which gets just over 1500.

    OK so CB score in R15 of 4346....overclocked 16 core part @ 4.25GHZ with high voltages though, looks like their gonna wait for better binned parts, then release

  • Tobias Jo
    Tobias Jo 3 months ago +12

    This is why I dont like such videos. It seemed like you were so sure to be correct with your unrealistic leaks.
    The Prices and Boost clocks were always too good to be true and were just for building up the hype.
    And now? People will probably be disappointet of the new CPUs because of your so called leaks although its not AMDs fault that they had so high expectations. Those new CPUs are still good because of those IPC gains and low power consumptions but are far off from your leaks especially in terms of price/performance.

    • Dr. Fresh_2k
      Dr. Fresh_2k 3 months ago

      @Tobias Jo I do ass to mouth with both of your mothers... Guess which one loves to eat shit?

    • Tobias Jo
      Tobias Jo 3 months ago

      @John Doe I would only buy a 2nd gen Ryzen if you are on a budget. A 2600 for 129€ is a very good deal (here in Germany). Although Zen2 isnt as good as those leaks suggested, these new CPUs are still a good upgrade to the previous gen. They will be about 20% faster or more. Lets wait for July and see how much they really improved.

  • Freddie1980
    Freddie1980 3 months ago +1

    Jim, just comparing you leaked info at 4:44 to AMD Computex slides and it looks like some of your info missed the mark. Product naming aside you table had the 8-core/16T, 65W part at $179.99 the actual product closest to this leaked information is nearly twice the price (R7 3700X $329).

    It seems at some point AMD took a lesson from Nvidia and moved their whole product stack down a level as they felt there products had more then enough performance as they are to take on Intel.

    • Tobias Jo
      Tobias Jo 3 months ago

      @John Doe I wouldnt upgrade from a 2600 to 3600. If you really need a better gaming CPU and/ or more cores then I would get the Ryzen 7 3700x.
      But if your 2600 is good enough for you I wouldnt buy an 8 core CPU at least until maybe next year when Ryzen 4000 comes and the prices of Ryzen 3000 went down.

    • Tobias Jo
      Tobias Jo 3 months ago +1

      Or the products were never intended to be that cheap and the leaks were all too good to be true. Those leaks were never realistic and only build up the hype.

  • A T
    A T 3 months ago +7

    Some thing in your leak was correct, the prices where way off. At least you kept the flame on. AMD will be the biggest company for the next 2 years, then we will see if intel can respond.

    • chadem311
      chadem311 3 months ago +2

      A T They may have just recently settled on the prices. They probably increased them through the process as it became clear that Intel would not be able to come close in terms of price/performance.

  • sebastian iraola
    sebastian iraola 3 months ago +4

    so far everything you've said about frequencies is inaccurate. 5Ghz? This is why i always don't listen to all that speculation.

    • Dr. Fresh_2k
      Dr. Fresh_2k 3 months ago +1

      Wow! can I borrow your time machine.

  • Tenshi0h Logos Respektor

    5:00 I think I've been spending too much time on political Twitter, because distribution charts like that bring a different memory to mind.

  • OGRain
    OGRain 3 months ago +8

    Well, the keynote puts a bit of a nail to this. I suppose there needs to a be a bit of a revision?

    • Omi
      Omi 3 months ago +1

      yey! more retcon to come for him to have a way to say he was right!

  • Mark Atkinson
    Mark Atkinson 3 months ago +9

    just a whole lot of nope
    i reckon i could have guessed better by picking clockspeeds and prices per core out of a hat

  • low q
    low q 3 months ago +9

    i tot 3600 gonna be an 8 core processor. lol .... huge dissapointment

    • 1GTX1
      1GTX1 3 months ago

      @mohit9206 Ryzen 3600 should still be as good as 2700x

    • mohit9206
      mohit9206 3 months ago +1

      Yeah man, i was really really hoping for 8C/12T Ryzen 3600. Such a disappointment!

  • isodoublet
    isodoublet 3 months ago +25

    This video didn't age well lmfao.

    • isodoublet
      isodoublet 3 months ago

      @DJ Johns Lmao even if that is true it doesn't change the fact that AdoredTV got literally everything wrong.

    • DJ Johns
      DJ Johns 3 months ago

      @isodoublet The sixteen core exists nimrod, Steven Burke mentioned it and so did Brian from Tech YES City who actually had a live demonstration from Computex

    • isodoublet
      isodoublet 3 months ago

      ​@Dr. Fresh_2k Does your mom know you're posting comments on youtube?

    • isodoublet
      isodoublet 3 months ago

      @Saminul Haque [citation needed]

    • Saminul Haque
      Saminul Haque 3 months ago +1

      There is definitely going to be a 16 core Ryzen 9, overclocking should get the parts to 5 GHz. In any case, Intel is dead until 2021.

  • Wavetrex Infinity
    Wavetrex Infinity 3 months ago +6

    Well the time has come and ... 12 cores on AM4 are here. But the names and frequencies are kinda off. Very off actually. And no 16c... yet.

    • OGRain
      OGRain 3 months ago +2

      My guess--AMDs already milking. They never suspected the security flaws, saw it, and realized they could half ass a launch and still provide huge gains.

  • finnsk3
    finnsk3 3 months ago +8

    Who ever told Jim he had a 12c 5ghz boost ES chip was lieing.

    • AdoredTV
      AdoredTV  3 months ago

      @Michael Landon What you "expect" and what my sources tell me are not the same.

    • Michael Landon
      Michael Landon 3 months ago

      @AdoredTV Here we go again, you haven't learnt your lesson. AMD witholding 400Mhz doesn't make sense, it's not realistic, and 5Ghz overclock is not possible on Ryzen 3000 outside of 1 core oc, but no-one considers 1 core oc an overclock. I would expect max boost of the 16C CPU to be 4.8Ghz.

    • finnsk3
      finnsk3 3 months ago

      ​@Saminul Haque Yeah but that extra headroom from the better bin is probably only going to add 100mhz.. maybe 200mhz if it's a really good bin.

    • Saminul Haque
      Saminul Haque 3 months ago

      Remember, Threadripper gets top 5% of dies so it’s vcore voltage would most likely be more efficient

    • finnsk3
      finnsk3 3 months ago +1

      ​@AdoredTV Just seems very odd for AMD to sand bag that much.
      Props to source, not scared to run some real man volts though a brand new processor.

  • Xynos Tasos
    Xynos Tasos 3 months ago +1

    Jim got right to the point in terms of SKUs specs, it was however AMD's marketing decision not to release a 16 core part now. I expect them to release the 16 core parts later with higher than 4.6Ghz boost clockspeeds when Intel releases their 10c/20t parts. And ofc it remains to be seen if that 3900x can outperform the 9900k in gaming.

    • Mark Atkinson
      Mark Atkinson 3 months ago +4

      ryzen 3 was supposed to be 6 core - r5 was supposed to be 8 - r7 12
      he got it all wrong
      6 core 12 thread for $99 or $129? nope....
      clock speeds??? nope
      i cant see a thing he got right

  • Luis-Cipher Mstar
    Luis-Cipher Mstar 3 months ago +18

    So much for 5Ghz...................

    • BudgieFan39
      BudgieFan39 3 months ago

      It's gonna crack me up if third party reviews end up showing zen 2 beating intels best due to the big jump in ipc & l3 cache which will mean ons thing, nobody will give a fuck about if zen 2 hits 5ghz or not lol

    • Thomas Browne
      Thomas Browne 3 months ago +4

      @Bass-D C Yeah but we all knew there'd be IPC. He was saying IPC _and_ 5ghz.

    • Bass-D C
      Bass-D C 3 months ago

      Let us do the math:
      4,6ghz + 15% IPC over Zen1
      That would be the equivalent of a Zen1 CPU @ 5,3ghz.
      Jim Estimated a lower IPC improvement. With a 7% IPC improvement (which was realistic), the required clockspeed for the leaked performance would be 4,95ghz.
      With that said: Can you blame the guy?
      Does it matter if it is a 5ghz chip with 7% improved IPC or a 4,6ghz chip with 15% improved IPC?
      NO. The performance is the same.

  • Patriot 03
    Patriot 03 3 months ago +6

    Well what we've got so far is 12 cores 24 threads at 4.6 Ghz and they're claiming 15% IPC gains which is still pretty awesome.

    But not quite as awesome as 16 cores 32 threads at 5ghz, but then again I wasn't personally expecting a 15% increase in IPC. Not that bad in reality, but compared to the hype it's a bit disappointing. However what can it Overclock to? We'll have to wait and see.

    • Patriot 03
      Patriot 03 3 months ago

      @Bass-D C I don't blame him in the first place because I don't know what his leakers told him exactly.

      If what he was given were performance figures and then he was left to guess then in a correct sense he was pretty much directly on target.

      If however, he was straight up told that it was "Boost to 5ghz" then someone has to answer for those claims and I suspect Jim won't be that pleased with his source but again I don't know anything. Either way it looks impressive but a lot of people are disappointed just because they put so much value into the Number 5.

    • Bass-D C
      Bass-D C 3 months ago

      4,6ghz + 15% IPC over Zen1 That would be the equivalent of a Zen1 CPU @ 5,3ghz.
      Jim Estimated a lower IPC improvement. With a 7% IPC improvement (which was realistic), the required clockspeed for the leaked performance would be 4,95ghz.
      With that said: Can you blame the guy?
      Who expected such insane IPC improvements?

  • Alleraz
    Alleraz 3 months ago +7

    Unfortunately it seems that these leaks where kinda false. The 3900x is the only 12 core that was announced with a boost clock of 4.6(still respectable) for 500 usd....

    • Kai Tsurugi
      Kai Tsurugi 3 months ago

      @Bass-D C Very good observation!
      I did not consider the performance being very similar to what Jim leaked. It is quite literally a whole new perspective!
      Unfortunately it seems that most people are caught up on the numbers. Only seeing the symbols but not understanding their meaning. Although, I believe a lot of these comments are just trolls.
      You on the other hand saw through it. You looked at its essence. I'm quite pleasantly surprised! I actually feel like I learned a life lesson from that. So I Thank You. 🙂
      I can't wait for Jim's response! I wonder what new speculation we'll get next! I really want to know more about Navi!

    • Alleraz
      Alleraz 3 months ago

      The leak was that the boost clocks went up to 5ghz..... So in that aspect the rumor was wrong. You can try to add the IPC improvements and compare it with Zen1 all you want but the simple fact is its still boost up to 4.6ghz. Watch 17:18 in the vid. It specifically says it boost up it 5ghz..... the 3800x that was shown to compare with the 9900k in gaming was actually 105 TDP and it wasnt actually faster... it was about the same performance.. SO yea there'a alot of issues with his leaks.

    • Bass-D C
      Bass-D C 3 months ago

      I can see that you replied, but the comment does not show up for me ... Could you repeat your comment?

    • Alleraz
      Alleraz 3 months ago

      The leak was that the boost clocks went up to 5ghz..... So in that aspect the rumor was wrong. You can try to add the IPC improvements and compare it with Zen1 all you want but the simple fact is its still boost up to 4.6ghz. Watch 17:18 in the vid. It specifically says it boost up it 5ghz..... the 3800x that was shown to compare with the 9900k in gaming was actually 105 TDP and it wasnt actually faster... it was about the same performance.. SO yea there'a alot of issues with his leaks.

    • Bass-D C
      Bass-D C 3 months ago +1

      4,6ghz + 15% IPC over Zen1
      That would be the equivalent of a Zen1 CPU @ 5,3ghz.
      Jim Estimated a lower IPC improvement. With a 7% IPC improvement (which was realistic), the required clockspeed for the leaked performance would be 4,95ghz.
      With that said: Can you blame the guy?
      Does it matter if it is a 5ghz chip with 7% improved IPC or a 4,6ghz chip with 15% improved IPC?
      NO. The performance is the same.
      As for the 16 Cores: Here is a Quote from AdoredTV in MAY.
      VIDEO: Zen 2 Analysis - A Different Perspective
      "It could be very likely, that they will announce the 12 core parts, with the 16 core parts comming later"

      What he got right:
      - 8 Core, 65w TDP, beats the I9 9900k in gaming.
      - 12 Core, 105w TDP
      - He said that the 16 core one wont be announced
      - The Performance claim.

      What he got wrong:
      - IPC (He lowballed it) and as a result highballed the clockspeed. The performance he predicted was on point tho.
      - The name.

      I'd say that getting everything right, besides the name is a pretty accurate leak.

  • Grillus Billus
    Grillus Billus 3 months ago +14

    Looks like AMD went with efficiency. Now the question is how far you can overclock these CPUs.

  • battouter
    battouter 3 months ago +8

    expectations: r7 3700x 12c 24t 4.2 base 5.0 boost 105w tdp for $329
    reality: r7 3700x 8c 16t 3.6 base 4.4 boost 65w tdp for $329
    you got played hard, boi. was kinda fun though.

    • battouter
      battouter 3 months ago

      @Bass-D CHe was peddling the idea of more cores at cheaper prices like the 8c 16t for around $200. zen 2 8 cores are still north of $300. he predicted 8 cores at 65w tdp? i think everybody was already expecting lower tdp's due to the die shrink. i don't care or am i here to discuss if he lied or not. his predictions didn't pan out. he said it to his viewers to take with a grain of salt. it is what it is, in the end they were all just rumors and jumbled info about the chips.

    • Bass-D C
      Bass-D C 3 months ago

      @Wandering Android Yes but he even said that Prices and Naming can change on a whim.

      This is why I think people are unfair to him.

      AdoredTV: "The prices and names are subject to change."
      AMD: The Prices have changed.
      People: "ADORED LIED TO US!" >:^(

    • Wandering Android
      Wandering Android 3 months ago +1

      @Bass-D C i think he meant core count to price. More cores for cheap. That's what i think most people wanted. His leaks were nowhere even in same neighborhood.

    • Bass-D C
      Bass-D C 3 months ago +1

      @battouter Uuuh. battouter. He got the Corecount right.
      It is the name that he got wrong.

    • battouter
      battouter 3 months ago +4

      @Bass-D C lol, he got everything wrong that pretty much mattered, the core count and price.

  • Jared Holcomb
    Jared Holcomb 3 months ago +6

    damnit jim

  • EnlightenAlchemist
    EnlightenAlchemist 3 months ago +6

    You wasn't 100% right but you got more right then wrong.

    • Bass-D C
      Bass-D C 3 months ago

      4,6ghz + 15% IPC over Zen1
      That would be the equivalent of a Zen1 CPU @ 5,3ghz.
      Jim Estimated a lower IPC improvement. With a 7% IPC improvement (which was realistic), the required clockspeed for the leaked performance would be 4,95ghz.
      With that said: Can you blame the guy?
      Does it matter if it is a 5ghz chip with 7% improved IPC or a 4,6ghz chip with 15% improved IPC?
      NO. The performance is the same.
      As for the 16 Cores: Here is a Quote from AdoredTV in MAY.
      VIDEO: Zen 2 Analysis - A Different Perspective
      "It could be very likely, that they will announce the 12 core parts, with the 16 core parts comming later"

      What he got right:
      - 8 Core, 65w TDP, beats the I9 9900k in gaming.
      - 12 Core, 105w TDP
      - He said that the 16 core one wont be announced
      - The Performance claim.
      What he got wrong:
      - IPC (He lowballed it) and as a result highballed the clockspeed. The performance he predicted was on point tho.
      - The name.
      I'd say that getting everything right, besides the name is a pretty accurate leak.

  • jeffreywarf
    jeffreywarf 3 months ago +9

    Damn, dude, that leaker PLAYED you. Only 12 cores at 500 dollars? And 5ghz was mia? Lol

    • jeffreywarf
      jeffreywarf 3 months ago

      @Bass-D C you know, I hope you understand that I actually WANT to be wrong. I WANT Intel to be dethroned and I WANT to make an amd based system for myself without fear that I'm missing out on crucial performance from switching from my 4790k (which MANY comparison videos show is about the same as a 2700x or even better). Who wants to pay that much for a side step or downgrade? In every comparison I've seen of an 8700k or a 9700k or a 9900k to AMDs top cpus, the Intel ones stomp the AMD ones by margins of up to 100% or more. I see framerates WELL over 100 on an 8700k where a 2700x struggles to maintain 60. And same with world of warcraft.
      So if ryzen 3000 comes out and soundly beats or matches even the 8700k in starcraft 2 without an overclock? I'll come back to this thread and admit I was wrong. But if (most likely when) that doesn't happen, are you willing to admit YOU were wrong?

    • jeffreywarf
      jeffreywarf 3 months ago

      @Bass-D C yeah, we'll see when the testing in world of warcraft and starcraft 2 reveal that it's still more than 10% slower than their Intel counterparts in single threaded performance.
      Also apparently the boost clock is only for 1 core at a time? Wow, that's even WORSE than my lowest expectations

    • Akalion
      Akalion 3 months ago

      "Only 12 cores at 500 dollars?" are you fucking hearing yourself? Just stop and think about that for a second.

    • Bass-D C
      Bass-D C 3 months ago

      @jeffreywarf "ipc (which, in most games, will make them only that much better)"

      IPC scales multiplicatively with frequency.
      Having a 15% IPC increase does not mean that the Performance increases by 15%.

      You confuse STP with IPC.
      That is the equivalent of an engineer confusing a wrench with a plasmacutter.

      "because one is based on the history of how their current cpus perform and their own claim of these cpus only being 15% better in the matter of ipc"

      Did you forget how they said: "In single threaded workloads, the Ryzen 7 3700x is about on paar with the I7 9700k"?
      You seem to pick and choose at random what to accept and what not.
      In summary: The Frequency increased by about 7%.
      The IPC increased by about 15%.
      The Performance of the Ryzen 7 3700X compared to the Ryzen 7 2700x increased by about 23%.

      That means in single threaded workloads, the R7 3700x should be equal to (within 1% error margins) the I7 9700k.

      EXACTLY what they said.

      Unless you wish to claim that the I7 9700k is as fast as the I7 4790k (It ISN'T. It is 33% faster) you will have a hard time convincing anyone that "single core performance isn't even that much better than a 4790k."

    • jeffreywarf
      jeffreywarf 3 months ago

      @Bass-D C because one is based on the history of how their current cpus perform and their own claim of these cpus only being 15% better in the matter of ipc (which, in most games, will make them only that much better) and the other is just marketing fluff.

  • Eatthe dead7
    Eatthe dead7 3 months ago +9

    Ggwp, we all got bamboozled

    • Bass-D C
      Bass-D C 3 months ago

      4,6ghz + 15% IPC over Zen1
      That would be the equivalent of a Zen1 CPU @ 5,3ghz.
      Jim Estimated a lower IPC improvement. With a 7% IPC improvement (which was realistic), the required clockspeed for the leaked performance would be 4,95ghz.
      With that said: Can you blame the guy?
      Does it matter if it is a 5ghz chip with 7% improved IPC or a 4,6ghz chip with 15% improved IPC?
      NO. The performance is the same.
      As for the 16 Cores: Here is a Quote from AdoredTV in MAY.
      VIDEO: Zen 2 Analysis - A Different Perspective
      "It could be very likely, that they will announce the 12 core parts, with the 16 core parts comming later"

      What he got right:
      - 8 Core, 65w TDP, beats the I9 9900k in gaming.
      - 12 Core, 105w TDP
      - He said that the 16 core one wont be announced
      - The Performance claim.
      What he got wrong:
      - IPC (He lowballed it) and as a result highballed the clockspeed. The performance he predicted was on point tho.
      - The name.
      I'd say that getting everything right, besides the name is a pretty accurate leak.

  • Michael Jacobs
    Michael Jacobs 3 months ago

    When does everyone think we'll get 8 cores 16 threads @5ghz base clock CPUs?

    • Nathan Gamble
      Nathan Gamble 3 months ago +3

      1 or 2 years. Probably from Intel. Probably overpriced.

  • Adam Smith
    Adam Smith 3 months ago +1

    Intel's response: 14nm++++++++ until 2021

  • ProphetZer0
    ProphetZer0 3 months ago +1

    One thing to keep in mind with the leaks, the core speeds have always been lower by a little bit. I honestly dont think that AMD will have a 5Ghz cpu but we will see tomorrow. Also, a 5Ghz boost means 1 core boosting to 5Ghz for maybe a second or two and then dropping back down. To get all cores running @ 5Ghz 24/7 would be awesome but I dont think its gonna happen this go around but I really hope im wrong and AMD knocks it out of the park. All the extra income could really help their Graphics division.

    • Tobias Jo
      Tobias Jo 3 months ago

      @ENKI Yeah thats the perfect CPU for gaming. For everything else I would take the R9 3900x 12 core CPU.

    • ENKI
      ENKI 3 months ago

      @Tobias Jo I'm expecting $550 for its price. That's overpriced, but it will be the best performing 8c/16t processor.

    • Tobias Jo
      Tobias Jo 3 months ago

      @Bass-D C Thats ok.

    • Bass-D C
      Bass-D C 3 months ago

      @Tobias Jo Because I see people say
      "YOU LIED TO US!" and claim his leaks where "95% false".

      I want to give the guy at least enough breathing room to explain himself.

    • Tobias Jo
      Tobias Jo 3 months ago +1

      @ENKIThey will be better than 3800x for gaming but Price/ Performance will be bad and every 9900K can achieve that with oc.
      Those Intel 8 core CPUs also need much better cooling solutions.

  • Raw Gameplay
    Raw Gameplay 3 months ago

    Can someone explain the core stepping to me? What's the difference between A0 and B0?

  • Tyler Smith
    Tyler Smith 3 months ago

    12:40 News outlets already reported back in January that AMD was dropping ASMedia and designing their own chipset based on EPYC IP that will have around double the TDP (15W) as x470.

  • ZyntharSekki
    ZyntharSekki 3 months ago +7

    Jim u promised that r3 3300x will be 6c/12t... kinda disappointing

    • Matt Roy
      Matt Roy 3 months ago

      Chnage of plans, it's not the 4300x XD

  • Dr. Fresh_2k
    Dr. Fresh_2k 3 months ago +1

    THAT 16 CORE HAS TO GET AN ALL CORE OVERCLOCK OF ATLEAST 4.5GHZ - 4.7GHZ FOR ME TO CONSIDER BUYING IT BECAUSE IF NOT I WILL JUST GET ME A 12 OR 8 CORE RYZEN 3...

  • Dr. Fresh_2k
    Dr. Fresh_2k 3 months ago +1

    And he closes the show... Like the Champion he is. FUCK ALL THE AdoredTV haters... FUCK EM' HHHHAAARRRRDDDD!!! GO GET EM' JIM!!! I always stated thought that the chips would perform a little bit better then your leaks.

    • Dr. Fresh_2k
      Dr. Fresh_2k 3 months ago +1

      @Ben Willock I feel real good everything is still around the ball park of his predictions.

  • Social Gamer
    Social Gamer 3 months ago

    I just got a bios update to my Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming motherboard. Here's my screen-shot: ibb.co/4fv70pw hope it help confirm Gigabyte x470 boards are going to have 3rd Gen Ryzen support.

  • TheChico868
    TheChico868 4 months ago

    AMD got all infinity stones. Intel gonna get snapped

  • Corado Cotuna
    Corado Cotuna 4 months ago +1

    It's sad that most of the tech leaks are less about looking forward to something and more about bragging rights and pointing fingers ...

  • EthnoEuropean's CountriesAreBeingInvaded

    Does all X570-motherboards (they are for Ryzen 3000-series CPU:s) have a noisy fan onboard?

  • EthnoEuropean's CountriesAreBeingInvaded

    I just hope that the Ryzen 3000-series won't be a Bulldozer-flop! But it is not likely that it will be such a flop.