BBC iPlayer - Victorian Bakers - BBC Documentary 2016

  • Published on Apr 14, 2016
  • BBC iPlayer - Victorian Bakers - BBC Documentary 2016
    BBC iPlayer - Victorian Bakers - BBC Documentary 2016
    BBC iPlayer - Victorian Bakers - BBC Documentary 2016

Comments • 122

  • MrMagnusFogg
    MrMagnusFogg 6 months ago

    In the end, the older baker says "You can't have people doing this"...and do I understand him, my back is unable to do the kneading, I would end up in bed...but, interesting enough, you see today a lot of people going back to do bread this way and it isn't just a couple of's heavy work and bless them for taking it up...I almost stopped eating bread, the bread they sell where I live, every single bakery, should be considered a defiling of a sacred food and those people presented to a symbolic court...the sentence just a sad look in the jury's face...

  • ToudaHell
    ToudaHell 7 months ago

    I'm just wondering when did the word 'faggot' became such a demeaning word for gay people? How did that develop when the literal meaning of that word is so harmless? Wondering as a bisexual person btw.

  • Audrey-Anne
    Audrey-Anne Year ago

    I really love making my own bread from scratch but I often struggle with the loaf tasting too much of yeast. And when I try to reduce the amount of yeast it doesn't rise and gets too dense to eat. It's a struggle lol

  • M- Draggo
    M- Draggo Year ago +1

    I'd love to see Victorian Kitchen on TheXvid as well, can't forget Mrs. Beaton's Recipe book.

  • chris freeman
    chris freeman Year ago

    I'm lucky in the south of France to have a baker that makes great bread in an old wood-burning oven, completely understand peoples reaction when they taste proper bread

  • Anon amous
    Anon amous Year ago +1

    At least Alex saw Ruth using a Victorian oven in Victorian Farm series.


    one of the bakers looks like fucking wolverine

  • Horatio Huffnagel
    Horatio Huffnagel Year ago +1

    The normal breakfast back then was bread and beer. Light ale not much alcohol but around 2pm they'd actually have what we call breakfast. A real sized meal.

  • comm744
    comm744 Year ago

    The women seems more like a peasant helper than a bakers or even pastry maker ( she is no chef!)

  • RaiseUrFistDerp
    RaiseUrFistDerp 2 years ago +1

    there were indians in victorian britain lmao bbc pushing its liberal globalist propaganda

  • Ab the Guy
    Ab the Guy 2 years ago

    In 1837 there was nothing electricity kneeder it was very hard for the bakers

  • Andrea Gutmann
    Andrea Gutmann 2 years ago +6

    These documentaries make me really emotional. Love these sort of experimental archeology shows. It shows real life and the hardships not only the romanticized ideas and the accomplishments of the rich and famous.

    • Maryanne Slater
      Maryanne Slater Year ago

      Me too. I'm so tempted to build a bread oven in my back yard but I'm not sure my city would allow it.

  • Mamimi Mint
    Mamimi Mint 2 years ago

    thanx bbc for the smart content omg .... now history channel is pawn shop all the day 24/7

  • Uhime
    Uhime 2 years ago +1

    I freaking love bread !!!!! 😍😍😍 oh gosh I wish I could eat buckets and buckets of it !

  • Bonita Weekes
    Bonita Weekes 2 years ago +1

    Very interesting, some people make some really stupid comments, one wants to know why they didn't use porridge instead of bread, don't you know any thing about history? I can guess which country you come from.

    • MrMagnusFogg
      MrMagnusFogg 6 months ago +1

      It wasn't a comment, it was a you have the answer ? the way, which country were you thinking of, since there are more than 200 ?-))

    • Nanashi
      Nanashi 2 years ago +6

      Not all the viewers here are from Europe or USA, of course they don't know about it due to cultural difference. That's exactly why people are watching this documentary: they want to LEARN about it. Stop acting like you're the smarter person in here just because you know one thing or two that they don't, it's embarrassing.

  • Lena Moser
    Lena Moser 2 years ago +1

    I like all of them, but the older John really looks the part of an 1830s country baker with these mutton chops and spectacles and the apron over his belly. Good casting!

  • Hazel Leigh
    Hazel Leigh 2 years ago

    When I was growing up, my mom always made bread from scratch and even ground her own wheat. She also has made bread with a yeast "starter" for many years - she keeps it in the fridge and has to "feed" it every few days. I don't know why the people in this show, who are professional bakers, don't seem to know about that stuff. It's not a totally unknown method of making bread even today. The one guy with the artisan bakery seemed to know about it but not the other ones, especially the woman who only makes cupcakes. You'd think even if she doesn't make bread in her bakery, she'd be more knowledgeable about it if it's her trade in general.

    • Maryanne Slater
      Maryanne Slater Year ago +1

      Specialization, I guess. A lot of people who knit couldn't tell you anything about sheep or spinning wheels.

  • skittlebeape
    skittlebeape 2 years ago +4

    The brunette guy looks like Hugh Jackman if he became a baker

  • readheadkz
    readheadkz 2 years ago

    Better without the annoying old guy. Let's cool down the oven! Ooh, I can't carry that. Blech.

  • Griffin Jenkins
    Griffin Jenkins 2 years ago +4

    Oh my god, the cupcake lady is so annoying. Stop interjecting your negativity and ignorance of the trade every 2 minutes!

  • Potassuim_Cation
    Potassuim_Cation 2 years ago

    This hit me hard. Unexpectedly sad.

  • Flora Posteschild
    Flora Posteschild 2 years ago

    Great aunt Harriet looks like a tough cookie. I always wondered what the expression "as you brew, so must you bake" meant. And now I know.

  • Chii Mira
    Chii Mira 2 years ago

    Young Wolverine baking.

  • Horatio Huffnagel
    Horatio Huffnagel 2 years ago +1

    6000 calories a day. I bet. People actually worked their asses off back then instead of sitting around in offices getting fat. There are still tons of guys that work hard of course but that is still a lot of bread. lol

  • Darling Stuff
    Darling Stuff 2 years ago +3

    What;s with the asian/jewess?????

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    • lassisvulgaris
      lassisvulgaris Year ago +1

      What's with racists...?

  • Lark Bird
    Lark Bird 2 years ago +1

    I can't believe they wouldn't have sieved the yeast from the brew through cloth of some sort.

    • Lark Bird
      Lark Bird 2 years ago

      I was speaking of the real bakers in Victorian times (and all bakers before modern methods).

    • yarixza mendoza
      yarixza mendoza 2 years ago

      Lark Bird it's a learning process but all of them are bakers so I guess u have a point they should have thought of that.

  • Sally Smith
    Sally Smith 2 years ago

    Completely off subject, I happen to enjoy listening to different accents, and I notice the woman historian in this video uses a long "A" often in place of a long "O," phonetically speaking. In other words, instead of "loaf," she says "lafe." "A lafe of bread." That's what it sounds like to me, anyway. I have heard this accent before, but don't know what it is called.

  • Riza hariati
    Riza hariati 2 years ago

    The bakers with the Victorian costumes and the hosts using the modern clothes really annoying. Why?

    • Riza hariati
      Riza hariati 2 years ago

      yarixza mendoza agree

    • yarixza mendoza
      yarixza mendoza 2 years ago

      Riza hariati it is right? they should have gotten with the program and worn Victorian era clothes too it's a little distracting to me.

  • Rod Severson
    Rod Severson 2 years ago +3

    What I hate about America is that the bread is crap, to get good authentic
    artesian bread like in Europe, I'd have to drive 25 miles round trip.

  • Mikhail Cheung
    Mikhail Cheung 2 years ago +2

    Why don't those people go for porridge instead of bread?

    • BellRain Chan
      BellRain Chan 2 years ago

      Mikhail Cheung I believe they kept that for kids..and it's no wonder that most kids then, in you look at pictures of 1880s kids, look thin and small for their age. They don't have the required fruit, veggies, grain and dairy to grow properly or to stay regular. I can go buy vitamins and supplement at the store.

    • Flora Posteschild
      Flora Posteschild 2 years ago

      I don't know about ground oats, etc., but whole grains and seeds would have been more nutritious and cheaper. You know those mummies they found in bogs? They had a porridge of local seeds and grains in their stomachs. In the Mayor of Casterbridge, frumenty, which was made of boiled, cracked wheat, was dished up at the fair. However, you have to have a home to store things like that, and land to gather it from. Culturally, almost everyone had moved towards the more portable bread by the 19th century.

    • yarixza mendoza
      yarixza mendoza 2 years ago

      Mikhail Cheung maybe they couldn't afford it. tough times during those days.

  • Mikhail Cheung
    Mikhail Cheung 2 years ago

    Sould they be punished by The Assize of Bread and Ale?

  • E Mack
    E Mack 2 years ago

    Ok British history lovers out there. Can we PLEASE get the BBC to issue these wonderful documentaries in DVD format for us poor Americans? They are all so excellent and informative. There are those of us in the USA starved for intelligent viewing material.

  • Joluvslilhorses
    Joluvslilhorses 2 years ago +2

    Wait....where's Ruth and Peter?

  • Garlic Girl
    Garlic Girl 2 years ago

    This is why I say bread does not make you overweight! It is total lifestyle! Most of our parents grew up eating biscuits or rolls everyday but they didn't drive everywhere. They walked and walked and walked....

  • BeeRich33
    BeeRich33 2 years ago +1

    Backwards approach. Modern baking has left historical baking by changing the approach to dough. No-knead baking is an option to reduce man-hours while achieving proper structure. Today's baker's yeast is actually brewer's yeast. Baking with liquid yeast (as it's called in the brewing industry) is done all the time. It is indeed possible to start and keep a poolish (that sponge) from brewer's yeast for a week. They just didn't know how to do it. It's a bit odd that these "professional bakers" are surprised how all of this gels. They have little craft experience. At 18:00 I doubt that would be done daily. The mention of long fermentation, is indeed the key.

  • KoKi GAmI
    KoKi GAmI 2 years ago +2

    It's like Ye olde masterchef

  • Khrystina-Lee
    Khrystina-Lee 2 years ago

    not only where they done but also ugly......

  • Wende Kirckhoff
    Wende Kirckhoff 2 years ago +1

    I have so enjoyed watching I'm hoping to open a bakery myself here in the states..the Harvest Party is so like our doubt it's roots come from the settlers own celebrations in their home land..Thanks for making such a Fabulous Documentary.

  • AeroDoe
    AeroDoe 2 years ago +8

    That pastry-chef chick is _actually_ and _literally_ very annoying.

    • Hades Olympus
      Hades Olympus 2 years ago +1

      she is specialised in cake and pastry while others are more toward bread

    • Liza Anual
      Liza Anual 2 years ago +3

      yarixza mendoza everyone has to start somewhere. she is a pastry chef. The other guys are artisan bakery owners, supervisors and working directly in the process of breadmaking. Duh..

    • Griffin Jenkins
      Griffin Jenkins 2 years ago

      That's what I was thinking.

    • yarixza mendoza
      yarixza mendoza 2 years ago +1

      AeroDoe she is actually. it seems like she doesn't know much as the other guys.

    • sal mineo
      sal mineo 2 years ago +5


  • Kelly
    Kelly 2 years ago

    Why were they so dependent on bakers? Why didn't they just make their own bread?

    • Maryanne Slater
      Maryanne Slater Year ago +1

      Lots of the little cottages that workers lived in then were practically medieval and only had a couple of rooms and no dedicated kitchen. They could make porridge and stew at home at the fireplace, but as you can see, bread took time and skill and a real oven. In some villages, people took their turns with their own loaves at a communal oven, but bakeries have been a thing since the ancient Egyptians or earlier. And fast food has been around that long too. People have been able to buy bread and a sausage or a kebob or a dumpling on the street since the first cities.

  • Muck006
    Muck006 2 years ago +7

    The thing which most people probably underestimate, is the usefulness of corsets for the work of women. They have the same effect as that "leather belt" which weight lifters wear in their sports competitions in preventing strain on the back muscles, so women could lift more than without it due to that stabilizing effect.

  • Muck006
    Muck006 2 years ago +8

    "To be a woman in this age makes me feel a little bit like a caged bird." ... Typical feminist way of thinking, because THE MEN DIDNT FARE ANY BETTER!

    • Eizzah Azman
      Eizzah Azman 2 years ago +2

      Billi Jo Maynard exactly.

    • Billi Jo Maynard
      Billi Jo Maynard 2 years ago +12

      Men did not fare any better you are correct about that but in the real Victorian age she would not have been allowed to work in a bakery unless she owned it or her husband or father owned it and allowed it. Women had very few job choices in Victorian Britain and the job choices they did have were generally excluded for single or divorced women. A married woman could work in a manor house as a maid, work on a farm if she were a farm wife, but the money she earned was never hers, it belonged to her husband. A single woman who either refused to marry, or was divorced by her husband was considered taboo and unatural, most of these women either wound up in the Workhouse (Britains attempt at state welfare at the time or homeless and working as a prostitute because it was the only choice she had to feed herself. And women had very few legal rights in Victorian Britain, in fact they were not even considered persons under the law but property of their father, then their husband. They could not testify in court, any money, land, estates, etc they had or that was left to them by their father become the property of her husband the moment she married him. If he dirvorced her she had no recourse to get it back, she had no legal right to her children. Men did have a hard life no doubt about that, They could not vote unless they were land owners, which the majority of men were not and women had no right to vote whether they were land owners or not but men did have far more job choices than women did and far more rights than women did.

    • sal mineo
      sal mineo 2 years ago +2

      Muck006 you maybe need to focus less on feminist conspiracies and more on basic comprehension,you are stupid!READ AGAIN FOOL !!!

    • Muck006
      Muck006 2 years ago +1

      +sal mineo The point is ALL OF THEM were treated badly, so there is no point in singling out any of the sexes, but feminists only want to focus on how hard a life women had ... which is stupid and shows their own agenda of turning it into a "war of the sexes".

    • yarixza mendoza
      yarixza mendoza 2 years ago

      Muck006 I agree with what u said not only the women had labor intensive work it was also the Men too. it was hard work and a hard life for all working people during that time not just woman.

  • Kaarli Makela
    Kaarli Makela 2 years ago +74

    Thank you Brits for your fascination with history! :)

    • galanie
      galanie 2 years ago +3

      Not to mention BBC's great documentaries.

    • Kelly
      Kelly 2 years ago +5

      Kaarli Makela I second that!

  • donna harris
    donna harris 2 years ago +3

    Probably shouldn't have poured water in the of the younger bakers said it was not too hot and the older guy just continued on...take it out of his wages!!

    • Maryanne Slater
      Maryanne Slater Year ago

      My family has an heirloom cookbook from the 1880s that only refers to a "fast, slow or moderate" oven. Since my mom grew up with wood stoves, she taught me that a "fast" oven was hot, for bread, and a "slow" oven was for roasts, and a "moderate" oven was for cakes. To tell the difference, you'd put in a pan with a handful of flour and time how quick it took to brown. After a while, you'd just have a feel for it.

  • Judith Huling-Cadieux
    Judith Huling-Cadieux 2 years ago +7

    I now know why bread is known as the staff of life...and also understand why when crops failed...famine would be next...we forget how precarious life was...6,000 calories a day.. no wonder nothing went to waste...even pot liquor...every scrap was!! excellent show!!

  • FoodandFaithfulness
    FoodandFaithfulness 2 years ago +44

    It's so tragic to me that a baker would be surprised by the fact that yeast is a living thing. We've completely lost touch with natural processes by industrializing everything.

    • phantomkate6
      phantomkate6 Year ago

      Exactly. If you don't know how your tools work, you are probably not very good at what you do.

    • comm744
      comm744 Year ago

      FoodandFaithfulness Very surprised! The difference between going to school and learning as you go.

    • Hades Olympus
      Hades Olympus 2 years ago +3

      she is specialised in cake and pastry which was later modified from bread tho. the others are more toward bread. you can see the chapter when cake was invented by adding some sugar, eggs, etc. in household bread recipe she was done that part alone.

    • Eleanor Scott
      Eleanor Scott 2 years ago +3

      To be honest I'm not sure why they included this woman at all. She proved to be pretty useless, and dense with it. Otherwise a good team.

  • mary a NEW YORKER
    mary a NEW YORKER 2 years ago +1

    This amazes me, as a home baker, I now want to go to the local breweries to get some yeast. Wonder if they do that?

    • poptart6662012
      poptart6662012 2 years ago +3

      check out a home brewer supply store, they probably have different yeast strains!

  • TheAmaren
    TheAmaren 2 years ago

    Great program, but I kept hearing chicken feet...😄

  • anastasia46
    anastasia46 2 years ago +4

    why was that wooden box for mixing so low ? at that height, it would have caused back problems.

    • Muck006
      Muck006 2 years ago +9

      Imagine the amount of solid wooden legs you would have to add to make it higher AND watch the next episode to see the "dual purpose" of it AND people were shorter back then (especially the women and probably even children) AND ... who cared about health and safety in 1840?
      I can feel their pain ... every time I do the dishes in my sink, because their height is far too low for "average male height" too.

  • anastasia46
    anastasia46 2 years ago +3

    6000 calories a day !!! I can only dream...

    • yarixza mendoza
      yarixza mendoza 2 years ago +3

      anastasia46 well ya they weren't on their assess all day like people now a days. they were true hard working ppl, not that there aren't any today but almost everyone had to in that time.

    • Garlic Girl
      Garlic Girl 2 years ago


  • Muck006
    Muck006 2 years ago +2

    Gosh ... a lot of nonsense about the "overromaticising" after they failed once BECAUSE THEY DIDNT KNOW HOW! That kind of knowledge would be "second nature" to bakers in victorian times, because they were doing it every day and the next generation grew up with it.

  • FMHammyJ
    FMHammyJ 2 years ago +36

    I miss Ruth Goodman and her humour in this kind of documentary.....Ruth wouldve had that heated oven cleaned and ready for loaves in minutes......

    • lassisvulgaris
      lassisvulgaris Year ago

      You realize that Judaism is a religion? Even you can convert......

    • Darling Stuff
      Darling Stuff 2 years ago +1

      Good White Woman saying NO to jew promoted destruction of European Race. England is not America. We are a 100% Whites Homeland.

    • Ben Lutz
      Ben Lutz 2 years ago +3

      wow - if we had never seen a russian misery-bot, we certainly have now, eh

    • Darling Stuff
      Darling Stuff 2 years ago

      Must be changed to the Age of EJECTING THE JEW MARXIST AND HIS GENOCIDAL CULT. Actually.

    • Jesse Silver
      Jesse Silver 2 years ago +3

      You are Shite, THIS today, is the age of posting Shite and erasing Internet History to hide your own superiority complex like other nitwits and asshats

  • WR3ND
    WR3ND 2 years ago +1

    32:25 As an American, it's interesting hearing about the modern health and safety regulations in the UK, which as far as I'm aware, don't exist in this country. I've worked jobs where if you could lift it, you did, regardless of weight. The limiting factor here as far as I'm aware is human potential, not regulations to ease their burdens.
    I'm bigger and stronger than most people I see in these sort of shows though, so I perhaps have a different perspective in general. I worked one job 15 years ago or so when I was an older teenager which entailed things like stacking 100+ pound boxes 8 feet up in the air while unloading goods from semi trucks.
    I have heard of there being weight guidelines in larger operations such as UPS though.

    • comm744
      comm744 Year ago +2

      WR3ND it's regulated in Canada. Workers Compensation Board Regulating. For example one can only lift 20 kilos.

    • Muck006
      Muck006 2 years ago +2

      The thing is that there are loads which can cause health issues if you lift them regularly. There was a "documentary" about a reporter who disguised himself as a factory worker and got to work for an agency for temporary work and he got to work for Mercedes in their main factory at Stuttgart. His job was lifting 12 kg motor blocks and package them the whole day. He got back ache, but since he was employed by the agency he couldnt go to the doctor at the factory ... and he also got paid only a third of a "real Mercedes employee" doing the same job.
      12 kg isnt that heavy to lift, BUT if you do it all day you can still hurt yourself and with more weight that chance increases.

  • R.D. Dragon
    R.D. Dragon 2 years ago +6

    Amazing that they ate so much bread back then! And so little of anything else... how did they get their nutrition? Very interesting show!

    • Kyra Crevier
      Kyra Crevier 9 months ago +1

      Im Canadian and find that hard to believe. Where in Canada did she move to? We have a huge french population so bread variety is pretty big here. Any grocery store almost always has a bakery section at least 1/5 the size of the whole store.

    • Maryanne Slater
      Maryanne Slater Year ago +1

      comm744 -- You forgot onions and cabbage.
      Old fashioned whole wheat flour is nutritious because it contains protein, vitamins in the wheat germ (the bit that sprouts) and fibre in the bran (the golden inner brown coat of the seed). Modern flour lacks the germ and the bran. People burned off a lot of calories at manual labour so an adult could might eat a whole two-pound loaf -- about 2400 calories with about a hundred grams of protein -- if that's all he had. But there was usually some form of soup with vegetables in season and scraps of meat, plus cheese and fruit in season. And beer, which had a lot more body to it than now. So a two pound loaf might feed a family for a day. Children often got a bowl of crumbled bread with milk or the whey from cheesemaking poured over it. It's actually tastier than you'd think.

    • comm744
      comm744 Year ago +1

      R.D. Dragon Beer Bread and Meat. The basic diet for centuries.

    • BellRain Chan
      BellRain Chan 2 years ago

      R.D. Dragon My mom told me when her family moved to Canada in 1970 the only bread available was white bread and rolls no nutrition. Now, she learned that white flour breads lack fibre and my kids struggled to have regular BM so now we went from Whole Wheat, to Specific Whole Grain with Fibre. I don't know how people got their fibre in those days. When my daughter was toilet training the constipation and poop issue was the worse. Now we have powdered Laxative to help with people who struggle along with a diet with fruit and fibre.

    • Griffin Jenkins
      Griffin Jenkins 2 years ago +1

      Well as they say, give a man grain and water and he can live for a month, but teach him to make bread, and he can live forever. Bread just contains so many nutrients that we can sustain on it.

  • Mari Brigitte
    Mari Brigitte 2 years ago +11

    Ooh, Alex Langlands, promoted to narrator! What a comforting voice. :)

  • Corvus Corone
    Corvus Corone 2 years ago +8

    Ohhhhh, Alex is back :)

  • Barbara Moore
    Barbara Moore 2 years ago +26

    My grandfather and his before him were bakers in England and my uncle took over the bakery from my grandfather. I worked at the bakery when I was at school in England. It was called the Tudor Bakery in Old Coulsdon near Croyden. Still there I think. Amazing smell and they did it pretty much all by hand. He always used wet yeast too but it came in blocks and not in buckets. He never used dry. Made a huge difference in the taste and quality.

  • Rachel M
    Rachel M 2 years ago +8

    The chicken feed nuggets was really sad. The Caraway seed cake looked interesting.

    • DalekZ
      DalekZ 2 years ago

      same here, I always thought that it was the job of the monarch to feed her people, if they were starving he/she should go without and feed the subjects

  • brcmano
    brcmano 3 years ago

    Alex is back! Great to see him again!

  • mimanda
    mimanda 3 years ago +84

    love these sort of documentaries!

    • Zoch Buppet
      Zoch Buppet 3 years ago +37

      I love these back in time reality, but not really docs
      They are so relaxing to watch, no hyperactive camera work and music