The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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  • Published on Apr 15, 2019
  • This isn’t just a computer bug. It’s a scandal.
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    Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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Comments • 17 758

  • Adam Donovan
    Adam Donovan Day ago

    That's it for Boeing.....Boeing Boing GONE.....

  • Jake Richardson
    Jake Richardson Day ago

    shouldnt somebody go to jail over this

  • Hating on Truth
    Hating on Truth Day ago

    Wonder if this would have been a problem back when aircraft engines were located back of wing before the Mandela effect moved it to the front.

  • AGZ8520
    AGZ8520 Day ago +1

    And this is why Airbus is superior.

  • fkennedy02
    fkennedy02 Day ago

    The Americans are not going to hold their own to account for this so every other country involved should start legal proceedings against Boeing

  • CamoLive
    CamoLive Day ago

    Lmfao “yeah lmao we wrote some defunct software, but here, we wrote some more, this one DEFINITELY won’t kill you :)”

  • Paul Schneider
    Paul Schneider Day ago

    A design flaw fixed by software and more training. Do we believe it?

  • Garry Butler
    Garry Butler Day ago

    Does anyone remember the crash of lauda air? The engine went into reverse thrust? Pilot was blamed coz Boeing didn't want to take any responsibility? Or what about Japan Airlines 747 with a shoddy repair by Boeing that caused the rear bulkhead to explode out killing over 500 people? Or am I missing something

  • Jet Stream
    Jet Stream Day ago

    The original 737 was meant for shorter flights when the jumbos were used for long haul flights. Why try to modify a small 737 for longer flights? Come up with a new more efficient model to compete with Airbus.

  • amit Singh
    amit Singh Day ago

    Airbus salute to you at least ur not playing with the lives of people who trust u

  • Yugantar Bhasin
    Yugantar Bhasin Day ago

    People didn't die but I am sure Boeing did

  • Ziko Zik
    Ziko Zik Day ago

    Capitalist Murica exists.. people die coz of greed.

  • Nik Evans
    Nik Evans Day ago

    With hindsight they would of been better redesigning the axle/wheel assy. to get better ground clearance. So they could fit the new engine .

  • Steven Horton
    Steven Horton Day ago

    Thank you

  • cristina lexy
    cristina lexy Day ago +1

    Because is a very dodgy plane built on a hurry, they should stick with safest Jumbo 747 instead?

  • Dyxuki
    Dyxuki Day ago

    just a side question. why wouldnt they make the wheels larger/longer so they can fit a bigger engine?

  • Wolfclaw the death god loves Kittenface

    I have been on the old style one it was amazing...I’m 12 now seeing this makes them greedy people and want people to die

  • Antoine Swans
    Antoine Swans Day ago

    The Boeing 737 Max 8 Roulette

  • Darth Xial
    Darth Xial Day ago

    Once is a coincidence.
    Twice is negligence.
    And a third would be a conspiracy.

  • Gonzalo Cabrejas Moya

    This report is quite misleading in multiple ways to fit that narrative that boeing is a greedy company which lied purposefully hid data on their plane, way before any investigation concluded thus.

  • ash0787
    ash0787 Day ago

    because the mandela effect made the engines on all planes move further forward, and the wings became narrower.

  • Erik_lone_wolf Snip

    I rather travel by car than by plane

  • Bruce G
    Bruce G Day ago

    corporate greed = disaster. We're wise to you CEO's, we got your number...bruce

  • Armin S
    Armin S Day ago

    VW got sued by the USA for *exhaust gas* . Time for Europe and the world to sue Boeing for homicide.

  • hgrgic
    hgrgic Day ago

    Excellent explanation. Thank you.

  • PfropfNo1
    PfropfNo1 Day ago

    Can anyone explain why putting the engine higher pulls the nose up? In my understanding putting the engine up shortens the lever which should result in the opposite behavior. Putting the engine down like airbus did should increase lever and pull the nose up.
    Also i don’t understand how the pitch was determined by a single sensor. Every system usually has 2 redundancies in an aircraft. My fu****ng Smartphone has 3 different sensors to measure pitch: acceleration sensor (measures how your phone is tilted, for example flips screen if you turn it around), GPS (gives you speed and direction. From (upward)direction should be easy to get pitch), pressure sensor (it can measure altitude very accurately (+ - 1m), with change of altitude you can calculate pitch (how fast plane is rising).)
    How did MCAS only have 1 sensor? That’s what drives me crazy. And it’s nice to reduce the risk of Stall automatically. But how is there no software to detect if the plane is crashing in the ground or not?!?? I mean there are autopilots in planes for decades and they don’t crush planes into the ground. I just don’t understand this.
    There is nothing wrong with the basic idea of MCAS but it it feels like an intern designed it.

  • Douglas Rodrigues

    Why introduce yet another feature suseptable to computer failure? There is too much automation / less pilot control on the new planes. Airbus, in particular, has suffered many crashes because of computer glitches. I.e. does your PC at home ever malfunction? Would you trust you life to your PC. Hell no, but the electronic nerds want to have more computer authority in airplanes. If the nose pitches up on takeoff, why not just train the pilot to anticipate and compensate for that pitch up with elevator trim? It would add slightly to the pilot's workload but at least there wouldn't be another automatic system that obviously can fail.

  • John Donaldson
    John Donaldson Day ago

    USA was LAST to ground the plane = FAA spineless bastards

  • typeOhh
    typeOhh Day ago

    Greed...

  • Aava Vehvilainen

    Why did it have to be Ethiopia I love that country

  • Chef Pee Pee
    Chef Pee Pee Day ago +1

    Boeing are traitors who want money.

  • Marcosaur03
    Marcosaur03 Day ago

    Plane Crash Podcast covered these two crashes and came to a similar conclusion.

  • thingy
    thingy Day ago

    wow being, wow.

  • Princeofcups Poc
    Princeofcups Poc 2 days ago

    But don't worry. The executives that pushed it through already spent their massive bonuses, and are retired living on a beach somewhere. I hope the families of the dead can sleep soundly now. Capitalism at its best, with NO accountability.

  • Leify Boy
    Leify Boy 2 days ago

    Okay so I’ve watched a few videos about this and from what I see there are thousands of these planes but only these two crashed? And it wasn’t even the first flight for either of them.... still the fact that they hid mcas from pilots is enough for them to pay.

  • Zero Hour
    Zero Hour 2 days ago

    The FAA admin is filled with former or current Boeing executives. FAA streamlined it because it’s an American company, so they gotta “win” even if that means people’s lives. Look at the 787s, they didn’t fix the lithium battery issue, they just made a better box to prevent explosion. Fast tracked junk

  • KKB1976
    KKB1976 2 days ago

    Death penalty for everybody knew and didn't do anything...

  • nTzT
    nTzT 2 days ago

    Flying safe btw, idiots.

  • Ronald McCormick
    Ronald McCormick 2 days ago

    Very disappointing Boeing. Time to design a new jet. And this time around, grab your balls and tell fossil fuel industries where they can stick it when you include new technologies that heretofore have been sequestered or forbidden.

  • Jeff Stanley
    Jeff Stanley 2 days ago

    Boeing screws up royally, killing people, so naturally it's time to cue the brain dead Vox viewers to crawl out of the woodwork and pin the blame on "the evils of capitalism."
    What you fail to recognize is that it is free-market capitalism which guarantees that Boeing will pay for its negligence THROUGH THE NOSE by losing multi-billions in sales to Aerobus. FOOLS!
    But the really-and-truly hilarious thing about you AOC voters is that you think that, if we can just do away with capitalism, THEN PLANES WILL NO LONGER CRASH!

  • JoeL
    JoeL 2 days ago

    I already HATE flying. Now I'm really freaked out about it. Ughhhh...

  • Bule British
    Bule British 2 days ago

    Mass murder lock up all those involved in hiding this.

  • Dedi Syafutra
    Dedi Syafutra 2 days ago +1

    I'm from Indonesia, we don't know what to do, Boeing Ignorant! 🤕🤕🤕😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔

  • Mr2pint
    Mr2pint 2 days ago

    it's all fixed now we can relax I want to see the United States of America sanction those countries that have cancelled orders...

  • PotatoHype71
    PotatoHype71 2 days ago

    Like downloading more RAM....

  • Cool Pipenator
    Cool Pipenator 2 days ago +1

    Just be weary of VOX, they are anti American.

  • Philip Smith
    Philip Smith 2 days ago +1

    The fundamental problem is that because of the design of the tailplane there is insufficient control authority to push the nose down against the pitch up moment of the more powerful engines. A tailplane redesign would require a full certification of effectively a new type which would have taken much longer and cost more, leaving the market for Airbus to dominate. So a new system, MCAS, is introduced that has more authority than the controls alone. But this system relies on the signal from a single sensor. There are two of these sensors, it would be possible to arrange that both sensors had to show a problem before the MCAS operates. But then it might not operate when it should. A third sensor could solve this, MCAS only operating when at least two show a problem. More complicated, more time needed to develop and certify it.
    The bottom line is that Boeing knowingly cut corners in the rush to get to market. They ignored warnings from experienced pilots flying the aircraft. That killed hundreds of people. It is costing airlines that trusted Boeing's promises about the aircraft a fortune.
    Boeing's solution? A software fix. That won't fix the tailplane.

    • Philip Smith
      Philip Smith Day ago

      +Jeff Stanley you are the one making a fool of yourself. I spent 40 years as a big jet pilot, technical rep and pilot expert consultant to Eurocontrol. What is your aviation background?

    • Jeff Stanley
      Jeff Stanley 2 days ago

      I don't think you know as much as you pretend to know. Try reading something by someone who actually does know what he's talking about, and maybe in the future you won't make a fool out of yourself in public again.

      www.satcom.guru/2019/04/stabilizer-trim-loads-and-range.html

  • M40101
    M40101 2 days ago +1

    They should do a movie about the cover up and the criminal actions of Boeing who led to this tragedies.

  • eyestoenvy
    eyestoenvy 2 days ago

    Bring back the dam 757 hotrod 🚀 ✈️ 🚀

  • Misty Stewart
    Misty Stewart 2 days ago

    Problem with capitalism, part 12, 957

  • Don MacQuarrie
    Don MacQuarrie 2 days ago

    Frankenplane

  • Jeremy Topp
    Jeremy Topp 2 days ago

    Boeing = we care about “ our profits more then your safety “ period!!!

  • fred flintstone
    fred flintstone 2 days ago

    MONEY is what makes us expendable to the corporations, lawyers and bankers.

    AIRBUS killed everyone until they figured out their damn computer was stalling the engines

  • Nişancı
    Nişancı 2 days ago

    There's a reason why this saying exists "if it's boeing I'm not going"

  • 2wheelvloggers
    2wheelvloggers 2 days ago

    Sailors and soldiers of the US military know that you are following unlawful orders from your commander, it is not mutiny when you refuse to follow unlawful orders, you are doing the duty you swore an oath to. You are being led to your death not for the preservation of your country, but by a tyrant who has no respect for your life or the lives of others.

  • Orcinus1967
    Orcinus1967 2 days ago

    "Sully" Sullenberger weighed in on the Ethiopian crash. He said a pilot with only 200 hours should not be the captain. Not enough time.

  • Joe De Tau
    Joe De Tau 2 days ago

    These things often happen beczuse "managers" don't listen to engineers.

  • Joe De Tau
    Joe De Tau 2 days ago

    And they want to make self-driving cars now. I'm never going to trust my life to Microsoft.

  • EAW
    EAW 2 days ago

    M.C.A.S.
    'May Crash And Slaughter' everyone on board.

  • Bad Grandpa
    Bad Grandpa 2 days ago

    Well said sir!!

  • Mavis V
    Mavis V 2 days ago

    w

  • Kofi Annan
    Kofi Annan 2 days ago

    The important thing is that everyone made great money and everyone had a great time. Thanks Obama !

  • Kofi Annan
    Kofi Annan 2 days ago

    Boeing and the Catholic Church will burn in hell. Sad.

  • Siavoush Avesta
    Siavoush Avesta 2 days ago

    capitalism at its finest

  • Anirban Dey
    Anirban Dey 2 days ago +1

    Boeing is a money hungry trash company, Airbus people are way more skilled.

  • sudhisira
    sudhisira 2 days ago

    I once had a trainee work on a software project with me. The software had to compute a particular percentage number. Obviously, that number could not be more than 100% But he was getting numbers higher than 100%!
    So, his fix was :
    if (percentage > 100.0) then
    percentage = 100.0
    Neat! (except that the actual problem was still there, of course).

  • dan cooper
    dan cooper 2 days ago +1

    Now what do you Republibum Conservatards have to say now? Half senile Ronny Reagan: "Government IS the problem". So lets push aside the evil govt regulaters, let the companies self-regulate and we'll get free-market utopia, right? This goes on big-time with the pharma industry and its already had lethal results.

  • Mark Budde
    Mark Budde 2 days ago

    This video states that mounting the new engines higher on the 737 wing resulted in a greater tendency to pitch nose up, compared to older 737's with low mounted engines. Mounting the engines higher and closer the the center of mass should result in less nose up pitching tendency, unless the new engine is of vastly higher thrust. If it is true that this new 737 model has a higher tendency to pitch up when thrust is increased, there must be other factors in play like different weight and balance, center of lift position, angle of engine mount, etc. Simply mounting the engines higher should reduce (not increase) nose up tendency, all other things being equal.

  • Heidi Karinen
    Heidi Karinen 2 days ago

    Boeing released the 737 Max to fly on probability. Did they not learn about the stuck rudder. It would have been common sense to let the pilots to know how to manually trim the stabilizers. But then the question is that does 737 Max require the extensive training to learn to fly it without the MCAS.

  • TheNetatube
    TheNetatube 2 days ago

    ma come parla, lei salvinin non sembra un ministro ma un gangster, ste cazzo di macchine mi girano i coglioni , e aggiungici anche un porcozzio che prendi il voto del mio ortolano

  • chris peter
    chris peter 2 days ago

    In the news ,what is happening throughout the world natural disasters,disastrous war in Syria killing about half a million people since the conflict started the destruction and the terrible suffering of the Syrian children ,srilanka ,conflict with boko haram in Nigeria, disastrous war in Yemen,south Sudan,Afganistan,Pakistan,Libya,Heat wave in india killing thousands,uncommonly people dying throughout the world ,don’t you feel there is something unusual recently ,does that mean anything to you?
    In the Bible Jesus said ,when he is about to come, not only such things will happen but the next pulse of such things will be stronger. (matthew 24:6-8)
    He also said that finally there will be a crisis through out the world that has never been before and will Not be after(matthew 24:21)
    Imagine the evil things that have happened through out the world up to now,world war I & II ,what Hitler did to the Jews people(holocaust),atomic bomb dropped in heroshima and negasaki,famine in different parts of the world ,several natural disasters etc…,but non of these match what is about to come ,according to the bible.
    He is coming soon !he is at the door!!are you ready? He loves you and he wants to save you.
    The Bible says, "God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life"
    If you do not accept him, according to the bible, your destination will be hell, eternal suffering!!
    God reaches out in love to you and wants you to be His child. "As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe on His name." You can choose to ask Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and come in to your life as your Lord and Savior.
    If you want to accept Christ as your Savior and turn from your sins, you can ask Him to be your Savior and Lord by praying a prayer like this:
    "Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of eternal life. I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and Savior. I want to serve you always."
    Did you pray this prayer? IF YES please visit
    www.godlife.com/en/30-day-next-steps/introduction

  • redeemed toremain
    redeemed toremain 2 days ago

    wow what an eye opener, Boeing you basically lied, you put a band aid on a gaping wound , tried to pose as a top product but failed to just do it right, Lance Bakken could have made you new landing gear.

  • Gabriel Oliveira
    Gabriel Oliveira 2 days ago

    How people are stupid to dislike this video. They guy is showing whats wrong with the thing if you want to die shure jump on a Boeing 737

  • shreyansh aswal
    shreyansh aswal 2 days ago

    If its not boeing, i am not going (into the ocean)

  • Miketheboss :D
    Miketheboss :D 2 days ago

    V

  • Naufal H
    Naufal H 2 days ago

    If it's Boeing I'm not going

  • George
    George 2 days ago

    greed made it crash and it will crash again as long as money controls the fix.

  • Marianne
    Marianne 2 days ago

    I have to take an airplane every month and always check if I fly with an Airbus or Boeing; I’m systematically relieved when I see it’s an Airbus or Embraer

    • Tariq Usher
      Tariq Usher 2 days ago

      Other than the 737 MAX, all other Boeing aircraft are great. The dreamliner is one of my favourite but an Airbus fan and soon to be an A320 pilot.

  • Peppe Kerstens
    Peppe Kerstens 2 days ago

    I am a techie and, in generic, like all the perks that comes with. But we have the tendency to rely on it to much sometimes....

    I think commercial aviation can benefit from a derivation of Isaac Asimov's '3 laws of robitcs' (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics), as long as humans are involved (either piloting or passenger):
    1. A plane design should always be 'proper', meaning to be able to be piloted by 1 or more humans (in both the mechanical design as well as the electrical design) - so NO tinkering with the plane's natural balance like BOEING has done for instance
    2. The pilot(s) should always be able to override ANY electronical aid the plane has, or turn it into 'failsave/basic mode'.
    3. The pilot must have been trained and able to fly the plane with in failsave mode for motor-speed/power, roll, pitch and ailerons

  • Lion of Zion
    Lion of Zion 3 days ago

    Making profit while risking and gambling with people's lives.

  • wolemai
    wolemai 3 days ago

    What an appalling way to engineer a plane!
    First you find a structural problem with the placement of new larger engines, don't redesign the plane so the problem is solved, instead add on a complex and otherwise unnecessary computer program to forcibly try and overcome the the continuous flight problem caused by the failure to redesign the plane to suit the new engines, then don't tell anyone about it and don't retrain the pilots to be able to cope with the complex and unnecssary computer program that takes control of the plane. What could possibly go wrong???
    This just goes against every tenant of engineering that I know of. You never try and solve a basic structural fault by tacking on some additional complexity.
    And what genious decided to give a computer program total control of a plane, so that even the pilot can't easily overide it?
    Have any of these morons ever seen the film 2001? Hal, the computer took control of the space craft, followed its basic directive, and murdered all the crew except one in the carrying out of its directive.
    Wake up world! Computers are not the infallible answer to all life's problems.

  • ziad ajam
    ziad ajam 3 days ago

    Damn I was just about to invest in Boeing stock 😅

  • Henrik Thor
    Henrik Thor 3 days ago

    That how it is with the airplane manufacturers, they make cynical economic calculations: This many crashes, this many casualties, this amount of money paid in compensations compared to installing expensive systems in their planes to prevent the crashes. And why? You see it yourself in the video: There is almost no competition with only two big companies dominating the market, they are so rich that they cannot go bankrupt even with thousands of casualties. This is why both Boeing and Airbus should have any type of plane grounded for a year after a crash. Here you have two crashes within a short period of time - so let them fix the problem, and THEN ground the planes for another two years. That will stop them making stupid, cynical calculations costing their customers their lives.

  • Zexers RBX
    Zexers RBX 3 days ago +1

    Whoever defends the criminals behind these deserved to be on board the crashed planes.

  • GK Fujiwara Esquibel
    GK Fujiwara Esquibel 3 days ago +2

    The New MCAS System
    And By That I Meant MCrASh System

  • anthony cannata jr
    anthony cannata jr 3 days ago

    I will not fly on this type of plane, ever! All the wallets and shoes remind me of the Holocaust museum...damned Boeing, you have blood on your hands.

  • Fayte Leingod
    Fayte Leingod 3 days ago

    Can someone explain to me why moving the engine up would cause the issue of the nose going up at full throttle? From my understanding, moving the center of thrust up should actually have the opposite effect?

    • stimproid
      stimproid 3 days ago

      You are correct. Boeing moved the engines forward on the 737 in the 80's when they made the 737-300. Even the 787 which is a new air frame has the engines mounted ahead of the wing. The MAX's engines being higher mounted, thus closer to the center line of the wing chord, likely produce less pitch up tendency than the Airbus NEO. 737's do not primarily rely on computer input for their flight controls. Airbus, being "fly by wire", uses computers to translate the pilot's commands into flight control movements. The computer won't let the pilot stall the plane in "normal law" mode. Airbus most certainly tweaked their software to counter the pitch up tendency the new larger engines create under high thrust. This tweaking of the flight software is effectively what MCAS was designed to do, just that Being did not possess such software on the 737 previously. There is nothing wrong with the MAX design. The problem is with the programming of the MCAS system.

  • Mouse Killaz
    Mouse Killaz 3 days ago +1

    Vox = Fake

  • Pat Rick
    Pat Rick 3 days ago

    What's the hack? How many of them thar' plains have been built and in operation? 2 crashes only?

  • Rep0007
    Rep0007 3 days ago

    MCAS - May Crash Airplane Suddenly

    • stimproid
      stimproid 3 days ago

      Bet it took you a couple of days to come up with that zinger.

  • arcangelkrlos
    arcangelkrlos 3 days ago

    There should be people in jail already... But, uh, oh, is Boeing. There is a place that like to point fingers but when it comes to these kind of scandals, oopsy.

  • Mark Irwin
    Mark Irwin 3 days ago

    LAW SUIT !!!!

  • Fazal M
    Fazal M 3 days ago +2

    The 737 max is an inherently unstable design with its large engines hinging so much out and upward. Boeing literally redefined the flying rules for a stable aircraft since the first 737 plane from the 1960’s. Malfunctioning sensors exacerbated the issue further. Boeing must pay for all the deaths of innocent souls. The A320 Neo with its new bigger fan blade engines didn’t end up altering how the air flow moves around the aircraft, unlike this Max crap. Boeing’s reported 2 sensor theory for a better MCAS is bound to fail again for the aforementioned reason. Do not fly this plane if you wish to live. Even turning off the MCAS entirely isn’t enough to keep this max plane naturally stable because of its inherently flawed design.

  • larsik555
    larsik555 3 days ago

    Americans can only think about money. Don't like America. I am glad to live in the UK.

  • Coban
    Coban 3 days ago +1

    So your telling me,
    ->The Ethiopian crash took place on the *10th of March 2019*.
    ->The complaint about MCAS took place on the *12 of March 2019*.
    ->The comment about how pilots needing no additional training (and the iPad thingy) took place on the *17th of March 2019*.
    ->The statement that every 737-MAX would be grounded took place on the *13 of March 2019*.
    ->And that the Lion Air crash took place in *October 2018*, (and you said they were operating the 737-MAX.
    Yet you said... Boeing only came up with the idea to move the engine on the plane up on the *20th of March 2019*, leading it to be pointless for Boeing to have called their normal 737, the 737-MAX without the new addition, and that Boeing wouldn't have made MCAS without the idea of the 737-MAX, meaning those crashes wouldn't have been caused... So what's going on?

  • Michael Towler
    Michael Towler 3 days ago

    Heads need to roll at the highest level, The top management! What I get from this Video is why didn't they put a bigger undercarriage in to bring it up higher? Good Video, first I have seen that explains the fundlementals.

    • stimproid
      stimproid 3 days ago

      Their is no room in the airframe for longer gear. The entire plane would have to be redesigned. Boeing moved the engines forward on the 737 in the 80's when they made the 737-300. Even the 787 which is a new air frame has the engines mounted ahead of the wing. The MAX's engines being higher mounted, thus closer to the center line of the wing chord, likely produce less pitch up tendency than the Airbus NEO. 737's do not primarily rely on computer input for their flight controls. Airbus, being "fly by wire", uses computers to translate the pilot's commands into flight control movements. The computer won't let the pilot stall the plane in "normal law" mode. Airbus most certainly tweaked their software to counter the pitch up tendency the new larger engines create under high thrust. This tweaking of the flight software is effectively what MCAS was designed to do, just that Being did not possess such software on the 737 previously. There is nothing wrong with the MAX design. The problem is with the programming of the MCAS system.

  • William Taylor
    William Taylor 3 days ago

    Quilt or innocence is dependent upon how much money you have. Ask O.J.

  • 11thHrPro
    11thHrPro 3 days ago

    How sad is this? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Boeing blame the error on the pilots in the beginning? Also, it was sad how the US was one of the last countries to finally ground this abomination of a plane.

  • Allen Walden
    Allen Walden 3 days ago

    I'll never fly on a Boeing airplane again (if I can help it.)

  • GoldenMelody Zen Study

    Software can't tackle fundamental problems. Even not being a prophet, I can predicate more Boeing airplane incidents are on the way.