The Hobbit: Battle of Five Studios (Part 2/2)

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  • Published on Apr 3, 2018
  • So we've looked into what the problems were with these movies, the question now is... why? What happened, Peter Jackson? WHAT HAPPENED?
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  • rattis
    rattis 31 minute ago

    As a straight white able-bodied 30-something man, I feel that my kinds representation in movies is done with fairness and balance in terms of both quality and quantity.

  • Gwenyth Ice
    Gwenyth Ice 2 hours ago

    Can we go to an alternate universe where Guillermo del Toro's The Hobbit exists please

  • Parker Pshebnisky
    Parker Pshebnisky 4 hours ago

    It just goes to show that studio executives never make good decisions!,I loved the ending by the way!

  • Simon Davis
    Simon Davis 7 hours ago

    Folding Ideas cameo!

  • The Slick Android
    The Slick Android 7 hours ago

    I remember getting chills down my spine during the trailer for part 1, when the Dwarves began singing. Which made my disappointment all the greater when I actually saw these movies.

  • MystiaBird
    MystiaBird 8 hours ago

    I actually rather enjoyed these movies. They have huge flaws, but "at least they are nowhere near the SW prequels". There's some awkward bits, most notably Smaug's death being a "whatever" in the 3rd movie intro instead of being woven as the 2nd movie's finale, and I didn't mind the love triangles or shoehorned LotR characters, although I appreciate you shedding some light on how those came to be and their flaws. The most I was bothered was by repeated callbacks, like Gandalf hitting his head, or when he gets mad.
    That said, I find the best way to enjoy this trilogy is with the extended cut. When I fist watched the trilogy, I could barely tell dwarves apart, except Thorin, Kili, "the fat one" and "the wise one", but the removed scenes are actually mostly the ones involving the dwarves and where we get to see more of their characters, making them a lot better.
    Also, since you mentioned the Hobbit as being more of a "series of disconnected adventures", I wonder if it would have been better if done as a TV series, ~12 or so 1 hour episodes, each focusing on one, instead of hamfisting made up arching narratives. Maybe we would've gotten it this way had it been produced nowadays, now that big budget shows with important IPs are blooming.

  • Alexander Hulley
    Alexander Hulley 9 hours ago

    What a beautiful series of videos, I haven't yet seen the third instalment of this video and im already hooked to your channel. You EARNED my subscribtion, good job:))

  • Leah Laushway
    Leah Laushway 9 hours ago

    How sad is it that the best adaptation this far is that deeply, *deeply* flawed animated movie?

  • anamia774
    anamia774 9 hours ago

    The irony of adding Tauriel grieving over Kili is that, due to the narrative parallels it draws with Bilbo grieving over Thorin, it actually equates those two relationships and makes Bilbo and Thorin look even more gay than they would have otherwise. I mean, shippers gonna ship, and AO3 would have exploded with fic regardless, but having two mirrored grieving scenes take place back to back and ending the second one with a character solemnly proclaiming that "It Was Real" gives the impression that both scenes are about relationships that Were Real in that sense. So, uh, WB, if you tried to de-gay your movie, you failed.

  • Michael Fordude
    Michael Fordude 10 hours ago

    They bumped off Del Toro? Oh shit bet they're kicking themselves real hard after all his oscars

  • gregvalou
    gregvalou 10 hours ago

    Excellente!

  • dasenase
    dasenase 11 hours ago +1

    Patriarchy! My-Soggy-Knees! The trilogy sucked but that section of the analysis gave me aids.

  • EposVox
    EposVox 11 hours ago

    Alright I had to subscribe after that ending. Perfect.

  • Lloyd Ni Ggumuen Mwoni
    Lloyd Ni Ggumuen Mwoni 11 hours ago

    I hate that they ruin Thorins death scene by misplacing it. I specifically remember in the book it saying
    "Bilbo cried until his eyes were red and his voice was hoarse."
    Like.....damn. It was _painful_ . It was supposed to be like.....like it should have been such a main focus but then all of the sudden Tauriel steals the feels with
    "Ohhh why does it hurt so much???"
    Bitch
    1. You barely knew him
    2. This isn't even an important plot line
    3. That line is just waaaaaay too emotional for the circumstances
    4. It distracts from what is important: THE 2ND MAIN FUCKING CHARACTER DYING

    Essentially the Hobbit consists of two major plot lines
    1. Thorin and the Dwarves' plot line of reclaiming their homeland and all the feels of that
    2. Bilbo's involvement in that and his friendship with the Dwarves and influence on them. This is the perspective through which the story of Thorin is being told. It's like Bilbo's story of how he went on an adventure and witnessed all these historically significant things happening, but what mattered most to him was the friends he made, and most importantly, the lessons he learned. Some of which of these themes actually do tie in to LOTR in the sense of the Hobbits' points of view, especially Frodo's, throughout the story. It develops the theme that Tolkien repeats when dealing with Hobbits, summed up so well in Gandalf's words: "Its the small things that keep the darkness at bay. Simple acts of kindness...(I forget the rest of the quote)"
    But it's that all types of good matter, no matter how small. This is what Hobbits symbolize throughout LOTR. This is so, so, so, important to start to develop in the Hobbit, since that's basically what the whole story has become to be about ever since LOTR was written. This scene with Thorin and Bilbo matters so so much and it can't be undermined with a stupid useless love triangle being focused on instead, almost mocking the scene by the way it mirrors it.

  • phil norris
    phil norris 11 hours ago

    Lindsay's friend seems like she would be a blast to hang out with lol.

  • Lloyd Ni Ggumuen Mwoni
    Lloyd Ni Ggumuen Mwoni 12 hours ago

    I feel so bad for Peter Jackson during this production. He looks so tired and done

  • Lloyd Ni Ggumuen Mwoni
    Lloyd Ni Ggumuen Mwoni 12 hours ago

    I want to go back in time and make it so that Del Toro directed the Hobbit

  • Lloyd Ni Ggumuen Mwoni
    Lloyd Ni Ggumuen Mwoni 12 hours ago

    If there's anything I like about the Hobbit movies, it's the Dwarves. I really wish they hadn't just added in so much bullshit, and the movies would have been good. If they had just accepted that the Hobbit isn't _that_ related to LOTR, it can be just two movies long, and you don't have to add so much crap, it could have been good. If they had more time, money, and less conflicts, heck, it could have been _really_ good. I remember I loved the scene of An Unexpected Party, because it looked exactly how I imagined it. The casting was perfect, especially in the case of Bilbo. If they had just stayed true to the book, and the kind of energy that was captured in _that_ one scene, it could have been soooooo amazing. Honestly, it would have been better they didn't make the Hobbit into a movie at all then they make this disaster. I guess life is disappointing sometimes...

  • Spidoink
    Spidoink 14 hours ago

    Le sigh, your gender politics..... ..Tolkien is sexist except for the times he's not right? Youre hand waiving.

  • Mike North
    Mike North 15 hours ago

    I like the idea of Tauriel but yea it was a forced love story with unearned emotional beats. I agree with you completely.

  • Popular Pen-Name
    Popular Pen-Name 16 hours ago

    17:47
    I misheard him and thought he said *"Find the dude to die"*
    I will never unhear this now XD

  • kotsifis250
    kotsifis250 17 hours ago

    yep tauriel and kili had no reason to be here.I could give no fucks about tauriel

  • Xenos Tyrant
    Xenos Tyrant 18 hours ago

    Hey Piers Anthony I love his books and it's nice to see them get acknowledged more. If you want something of the same era that has some excellent female characterisation there is Jack Chalker's Well World series which has bad ass character's like Mavra Chang and other's that either develop much more, such as Wu Julee who has to deal with recovering from drug addiction or Vardia Diplo who starts questioning her political beliefs. Alternatively for modern fantasy you could try Brandon Sanderson who has a vareity of female characters who all have distinct personalities and motivations, Jasnah Kholin being one of my favourites.

  • Jake MacDonagh
    Jake MacDonagh 18 hours ago

    They should never have shot The Hobbit movies on digital, film is so much better and really encapsulates the feel the original trilogy had

  • tiana lloyd
    tiana lloyd 19 hours ago

    This just broke my heart for you.
    I was too young to get into Lord of the Rings when it was first released but I was 15 when this union thing happened. The troubling part is that all I remember of it is the 'The Hobbit might leave New Zealand, save The Hobbit' and none of the actors rights movement. While I respect and admire what LOTR did for film and fantasy in general and for New Zealand as tourism pretty much funds us, we should never deified it as we have. We were so easily manipulated against the real issues because of that.

  • Adam Power
    Adam Power 21 hour ago

    He said tosspot! LOL

  • Max Mustermann
    Max Mustermann 23 hours ago

    Now, you wait for a gosh darn second! That's the nostalgia chick, isn't it?

  • AJ Estur
    AJ Estur 23 hours ago

    [I'm not transcribing this again] on the captions after the 10th "Why does this hurt so much?"
    I feel you, girl.

  • Julipe Jarana
    Julipe Jarana Day ago

    29:10
    [I'm not transcribing this again]
    True beauty

  • JoKen
    JoKen Day ago

    I did the LotR/Hobbit tour in New Zealand, I remember that giant Dwarf statue in the airport, exploring the set of Hobbiton and so much more. Brings back so many good memories. Speaking of which, Lindsay, when you and Nella go there, did you go through Red Carpet Tour? Or other?

  • KosmiskRevolution
    KosmiskRevolution Day ago +1

    Del Toro sounds so pure. They hurt him :(

  • Alberto Villarreal

    The captions of 'I am not transcribing this again' made me laugh.

  • AncientSpoons
    AncientSpoons Day ago

    aragorn is like 20 something and in the lord of the rings he's closer to 100.

  • Colt Venture
    Colt Venture Day ago

    nice play

  • Barry
    Barry Day ago

    *Because it was real*

  • Magic Man
    Magic Man Day ago

    Pre-production is the cheapest and arguably most important phase of a film. It baffles me how studios continue to cut corners on pre-production, blow millions on principal photography and post for a half-baked concept and then wonder why the product doesn't make the projected amount of money.

  • stuwee3
    stuwee3 Day ago

    Women didn't typically do battle in history because they needed to be making babies. If you lost women in battle then you'd be less capable of creating another generation of male cannon fodder. I think the reason why they don't talk about patriarchy in Tolkien's works is because the reasons for patriarchy are so obvious. At least it was obvious during Tolkien's time.

  • Finnian Skindziel

    Lindsay did you go to Arty Bees Books in Wellington?? Nice T shirt 😂

  • TheTogo1500
    TheTogo1500 Day ago

    Wow this review set blew up nicely. Way to go lindsey.

  • Maybe 1911
    Maybe 1911 Day ago +1

    "Schizophrenically" ah Lindsay I'm disappointed, you know you didn't have to use that word to describe a character, that's pretty harmful

  • Neva Herdamee
    Neva Herdamee Day ago

    You actually came here? Holy shit!

  • Sean Bodah
    Sean Bodah Day ago

    Great legacy for New Zealand, including other studios that went their for being horrifically cheap.

  • William Apple
    William Apple Day ago +1

    Hey I'll have you know that James Cameron went down the technology route but Avatar is a damn good film

  • eperlore
    eperlore Day ago

    that music that plays in the background is so distracting

  • Benjamin Ansin
    Benjamin Ansin Day ago

    Oh, you are familiar with the Terry Goodking books? I'd love to hear your take on those. And no, I'm not talking about Legend of the freaking Seeker. The less said about that debacle the better.

  • Daniel Lewis
    Daniel Lewis Day ago

    Dear Lindsay Ellis,
    I very rarely leave comments on TheXvid videos but I just have to commend you on your researching and editing skills. The point at which you cut from the Thranduil and Tauriel scene (24:52) made me spit out my tea. God bless you and your family \m/

  • Steamy Bean
    Steamy Bean Day ago

    The interview brought a great perspective to this video essay! Thanks!

  • Kent Irwin
    Kent Irwin Day ago

    What a perfect analogy for the 5 Armies. A bunch of people hear about a mound of gold and fight over it.

  • Mariah Sinclair
    Mariah Sinclair Day ago

    There was an actual deleted scene from The Two Towers where Arwen was at Helm's deep but it was taken out. Also, I believe that Eowyn's quote about the women learning how to use a sword "long ago" would leave the door open. It may not be overly common but far from impossible.

  • Karl Lenasson
    Karl Lenasson Day ago +1

    Wow, this is possibly some of the best analysis on anything available on TheXvid, ever. Watched all three parts, starting with the third one. Great documentary! A lot of points you bring up have helped me understand a lot better why I loved LotR (especially the first movie), but just couldn't enjoy anything beyond the first half of the first Hobbit movie - and I know a lot of my friends and family, some of them filmmakers in NZ, have similar feelings towards the six films.

  • David Umstattd
    David Umstattd Day ago

    Fantasy has few women because they are based on war and expeditions which were mostly done by men with a few notable exceptions.

  • Series Of Numbers

    Where is that music from that starts playing at 13:29? I've heard it so many times.
    Also, who's that guy you were interviewing?

  • Alex Black
    Alex Black Day ago

    The Hobbit movies are the Star Wars prequels. They are immensely important not just for what they did wrong, but for the legacy and impact - they remind us that we love these stories in spite of their failings. The original movies of both franchise will never be diminished.

  • LukeGreensmith
    LukeGreensmith Day ago

    PLEASE GO INTO TERRY GOODKIND.
    Nothing in fiction has disappointed me more than The Sword of Truth series.

  • Jackson Furlong
    Jackson Furlong Day ago

    Considering how you feel about good representation for women, I would be interested to see your take on the Rey character from Star Wars.

  • Robert M
    Robert M Day ago

    I just finished watching The Hobbit (4th time) & Lotr Trilogies for the zillionth time. And although i enjoy the Hobbit it is nothing compared to LOTR. LOTR keeps me invested in the characters and the story and by the end I'm filled with so much emotion and saddness. I just don't feel the same after the Hobbit. It started off good and riddles in the dark and Smaug were great but the rest just wasnt that captivating and there were times where I wanted to just forward. I think if it wasn't for LOTR, The Hobbit would have been more enjoyable. Its just unfortunate we couldn't have a perfect Hobbit :/ i'm just so glad that LOTR wasn't made in this era of film making cause we'd have 2-3 parts to each book, and it would just be CGI everything. I'm really greatful for Peter Jackson for LOTR and will always love LOTR. It will always be my favourite movie, cinema experience and inspiration.

  • thexevis
    thexevis Day ago

    holy crap, you were here in new zealand! That's awesome!

  • The Red Harbinger

    Nice Arty Bees t-shirt 👍

  • Ñepeco Games
    Ñepeco Games Day ago

    29:09 esos subtítulos son los mejores!!! xD

  • hellsingmongrel
    hellsingmongrel Day ago

    ...Yeaaah, when Bilbo started sobbing when Thorin died, I legit started ugly crying. It was PAINFUL. But then the movie did what the movie had been doing the entire last two movies immediately afterward, and I went right back to being filled with SO MUCH RAGE.

  • Elliott Smith
    Elliott Smith Day ago

    Haha! I really should've seen that coming...

  • Dong Hyun Lee
    Dong Hyun Lee 2 days ago +1

    Why does this video hurt so much?

  • Jason Clark
    Jason Clark 2 days ago

    In the book Fili and Kili died warriors' deaths, defending Thorin's near lifeless body with their own "because he was their mother's brother". In the European mythologies that Tolkien loved that was a good death. In the movie... yeah, not so much.
    Indeed, to have the actual battle from the book. Thorin and company, armed and armoured from the armouries of Erebor, coming to the aid of the beleaguered armies of dwarves, elves and men against the goblins and wargs, was easily one of the most dramatic moments in the movie, at least for those who love doomed heroism and desperate last stands.
    "Suddenly there was a great shout, and from the Gate came a trumpet call. They had forgotten Thorin! Part of the wall, moved by levers, fell outward with a crash into the pool. Out leapt the King under the Mountain, and his companions followed him. Hood and cloak were gone; they were in shining armour, and red light leapt from their eyes. In the gloom the great dwarf gleamed like gold in a dying fire.
    Rocks were hurled down from on high by the goblins above; but they held on, leapt down to the falls' foot, and rushed forward to battle. Wolf and rider fell or fled before them. Thorin wielded his axe with mighty strokes, and nothing seemed to harm him.
    'To me! To me! Elves and Men! To me! O my kinsfolk!' he cried, and his voice shook like a horn in the valley.
    Down, heedless of order, rushed all the dwarves of Dain to his help. Down too came many of the Lake-men, for Bard could not restrain them; and out upon the other side came many of the spearmen of the elves. Once again the goblins were stricken in the valley; and they were piled in heaps till Dale was dark and hideous with their corpses. The Wargs were scattered and Thorin drove right against the bodyguards of Bolg. But he could not pierce their ranks. ... And as the valley widened his onset grew ever slower. His numbers were too few. His flanks were unguarded. Soon the attackers were attacked, and they were forced into a great ring, facing every way, hemmed all about with goblins and wolves returning to the assault. The bodyguard of Bolg came howling against them, and drove in upon their ranks like waves upon cliffs of sand. Their friends could not help them, for the assault from the Mountain was renewed with redoubled force, and upon either side men and elves were being slowly beaten down."
    That scene, given life on camera, could have been brilliant.
    Alas, where The Hobbit is concerned, "would have been" and "could have been" pretty much sums up the movie.
    Also, I wouldn't describe us as a simple people.

  • Alex Tutorov
    Alex Tutorov 2 days ago

    The only argument I have about the section on Tauriel's role in the films is how she conflates the societies of man and elves and how they would view gender roles. Why would these two incredibly disparate societies have the same structured gender roles as each other? Elvish woman and human women (or even human women between different established cultures or elvish women between different elvish cultures) would probably have different systems of belief for the roles of men and women in society.

  • steve Mceveryman
    steve Mceveryman 2 days ago

    It's such a shame... the Hobbit could of been something great.. but yet again, greed and lust for money ruins everything. maybe the studio execs should have watched that bit where Thorin is driven mad by greed

  • Court Fool
    Court Fool 2 days ago

    I wish they had just let Evangeline act a good female character without making her act a FEMALE™️ character. Let’s be honest, she looks like she was born to play an elf.

  • Karate Shark
    Karate Shark 2 days ago

    Will you ever review Prince of Egypt?

  • rcdt
    rcdt 2 days ago

    Anxiously waiting for the tottally shoe-horned third video...

  • Beau Ferret
    Beau Ferret 2 days ago

    Because New Zealand is a small country, everyone there knows someone who worked on Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit.

  • Ari Marchán
    Ari Marchán 2 days ago

    Wha... what happened to the third part... I.... why

  • yertlemcfuzz
    yertlemcfuzz 2 days ago

    Wow, Lindsay always makes great videos, but wow.

  • Toad Lash
    Toad Lash 2 days ago

    Legolas sucks Orlando Bland is a terrible actor he's so wooden it's like kissing Pinocchio!

  • redmanticore
    redmanticore 2 days ago

    30:48 ending reminded me of 'it's so dense; every single image has so many things going on..'

  • Bob Bobbertson
    Bob Bobbertson 3 days ago

    21:23 It is patriarchal because BIOLOGY IS. Thia is not a problem. This is a juxtaposition of fantasy where you struggle to get half of your nutritional intake A WEEK. Versus rocket age technology where you can gulp down DAYS worth of nutrition in one sitting. AND DO IT SO CHEAPLY TO BOOT.
    Shove off slag.

    • ltflak
      ltflak 17 hours ago

      @Bob Bobbertson There's very little "fact" in psychology. The entire field of study is always at odds with the catch-22:
      “If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't.”
      And "Evolutionary Psychology" is a theoretical approach to psychology.

    • Bob Bobbertson
      Bob Bobbertson 18 hours ago

      It is a distal fact. Evolutionary psychology proves it. "There are no selfless acts."
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene
      ISBN 0-19-286092-5

    • ltflak
      ltflak 2 days ago

      @Bob Bobbertson Rubbish Capitalist Propaganda.

    • Bob Bobbertson
      Bob Bobbertson 2 days ago

      ltflak
      *They always are. There is no selfless act.*

    • ltflak
      ltflak 2 days ago

      @Bob Bobbertson You do realize that humans are not transaction in all activities right?

  • FeebleAntelope
    FeebleAntelope 3 days ago

    I really love this sort of analysis based on research and straight-forward observation.
    Substance :)
    I wish this sort of thing were more common than a lot of commentary I see that more or less boils down to, "Me no likey," or "The themes in this movie disagree with my worldview," or some vague generalities.

  • Cassuttus Tshirt
    Cassuttus Tshirt 3 days ago

    Bilbo *did* sneak out.

  • Kyra L.
    Kyra L. 3 days ago

    part 3 ples

  • ksol1460tv
    ksol1460tv 3 days ago

    I loved to see you address slash. If Warner was attempting to avoid it here, they were making a huge mistake, as it's another way to put women in the seats, as you say. And it's not exactly out of place since we don't know what many of the characters' orientations were*, and Tolkien was a WWI veteran who knew what was going on and might even have sympathised with the "aesthetes", just not said anything, because you didn't back then.
    ==
    *(Watsonian: Of course there were LGBTQAs in Middle-earth. There's none in LotR because the people he was writing about didn't happen to be LGBTQA.)

  • stevesb97
    stevesb97 3 days ago

    Thank God it was less gay though. Like can you imagine if you had to explain close male relationships to an audience without homosexuality. Yucko.

  • Jonathan Alvarez
    Jonathan Alvarez 3 days ago

    Wow, how did you get John Callen to agree to your interview?? He really opened up.

  • andymac4883
    andymac4883 3 days ago

    Damn... John Callen's insight behind the scenes there really makes me sad about these movies now.

  • Laura Griffin
    Laura Griffin 3 days ago +1

    okay but what IF... the Hobbit trilogy is Thranduil's drunken retelling of the whole thing

  • Potatro tatro
    Potatro tatro 3 days ago +2

    Eagerly awaiting the next upload. Please don’t leave me hanging...

  • healingv1sion
    healingv1sion 3 days ago

    ok yessss let's do it

  • Hanno Conring
    Hanno Conring 3 days ago

    Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant. Double like. triple heart. And yet: Why does it hurt so much......

  • Corentin
    Corentin 3 days ago

    Damn that's some great knowledge and analysis, subscribed !

  • Bethany P
    Bethany P 4 days ago +1

    I literally check in every day to see if she has uploaded. Ahhh I'm addicted to these video essays

  • theycallmenerdy
    theycallmenerdy 4 days ago +1

    Thank you for these videos! I'm glad you spent a bit of time discussing the Bilbo/Thorin dynamic in this one, because it really is one of the few things that make the films bearable. IMO, as much as I completely agree that Martin Freeman was an excellent casting choice, I wish people would acknowledge Richard Armitage more.

  • Howtostudies
    Howtostudies 4 days ago +2

    What a saga. The using videos to go on vacation saga

  • Maxi Iroh
    Maxi Iroh 4 days ago +2

    Gladly awaiting part 3 of 2.

  • Moises Garcia-Monteavaro

    Oh, my god. Great ending. But I hope for a unnecessary love triangle between you two and the dwarf statue in the airport... yep.

  • Johnny Phever
    Johnny Phever 4 days ago

    Best. Ending. Ever.

  • Io Lives
    Io Lives 4 days ago

    First rate. Fantastic analysis that often teaches idiots (like me) things about film we thought we already knew.

  • Alexandre Rocha
    Alexandre Rocha 4 days ago

    1:15 Dan is surely having fun

  • Shane Shank
    Shane Shank 4 days ago

    Lindsay, you probably won't see this, and you don't know me, but as a fellow internet content creator ( comics ), I really feel like it's important for you to address everything going on with Channel awesome, The Walkers, and the Jew Wario situation. I feel like you are looked upon by your peers, as someone who has elevated the format of internet reviews, from entertainment to higher art and education. Many well known creators cite you specifically as their inspiration for starting their own channels. It's because of this that I feel like you are not only in a unique position to comment on this situation, but that you might be one of the best people to talk about it. Many people are hurt, confused, and unsure about how to process this and you could help. I could see how you might think it's not your obligation, and it's not... But as a fan, a friend, and in a small way a colleague... I'm asking you to please consider it.

  • Kylee Cook
    Kylee Cook 4 days ago

    Your wry sense of humor is always appreciated.

  • Chris David Carson
    Chris David Carson 4 days ago

    The best way I can describe how much I loved both this and your first video talking about this here is.....Channel Awesome really fucked up MAJORLY when they lost you, and then some. Definitely one of the best and most deep, in-depth reviews of a movie franchise I have ever seen period, and some real hard-hitting truths about it all as well. I personally had always felt these movies had been rushed and all but, I was never aware of HOW TRULY BAD and RUSHED it all really was either, so thank you for giving me that knowledge here as well. I truly feel validated in my love/hate for the Hobbit movies now, which I love them because it's Tolkien still at least at it's core and I have and always WILL be a true dedicated Tolkien fan, and what I hate is HOW it was all treated and handled, and all just so these studios could make a buck basically. I truly feel sorry for all the hell Jackson was put through with this, and then some.

  • Laura RM
    Laura RM 4 days ago

    WHY DOES IT HURT SO MUCH (that the video ended)
    BECAUSE IT WAS REAL (ly good)

  • Krankar Volund
    Krankar Volund 4 days ago

    The Tauriel part, I was like "Did I switch video and are looking Terrible Written Advice"? This character make no sense, and the love triangle is just... too cliché, it's horrible ^^'
    And yes, the main problem is not the trahison towards Tolkien because he didn't write female characters, it's making a female character out of nowhere and give her a love interest, and even two, just because, hey women are made for this.
    In fact, it's just ironic, how we passed from a "Women? Why include women in litterature? they are not important" to "Oh we have to include women, but we don't know how to write them, so.... Hey love triangle, came in there, we need you again" ^^'

  • John Ronald
    John Ronald 5 days ago

    I still haven't found the will or desire to actually watch the Hobbit Trilogy....I was all over LOTR but I guess I'll get around to them eventually. Perhaps sooner rather than later, prompted by these two (three?) video essays.