The Hobbit: Battle of Five Studios (Part 2/2)

  • Published on Apr 3, 2018
  • So we've looked into what the problems were with these movies, the question now is... why? What happened, Peter Jackson? WHAT HAPPENED?
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  • Ray Last
    Ray Last 2 hours ago

    21:08 Thank you, finally someone said it.

  • The Batlord
    The Batlord 9 hours ago

    TBH it would have made sense in a way to replace Legolas with Arwen in Fellowship considering how she was introduced. It would have been garbage and I'd have hated it but in hindsight it would have been less Orlando Bloom. How can you lose?

  • Claire Carter
    Claire Carter 10 hours ago

    With regard to the women in fantasy thing, Wheel of Time does pretty well. Women are powerful and present through the entire journey. Sure the big hero is a dude but it's well established that he and all his man buddies would be dead a million times over if not for their female companions. Men and women constantly complain about and are bewildered by each other but in a way that feels real. It's not perfect of course but it certainly doesn't do women as dirty as most fantasy.

  • Josef Buqowski
    Josef Buqowski 11 hours ago

    That sunburn is epic.

  • Anna B.C.
    Anna B.C. 13 hours ago

    It's such a shame del Toro left the project, I'm sure the original version would have turned out better...

  • Dig Dug
    Dig Dug 17 hours ago

    Kinda went off the deep end in the second half. "Hollywood doesn't like women, because writing them is hard". Women are the majority of movie goers, and the three highest grossing films in history are Avatar, Titanic, and Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Are you perhaps confusing what studios believe about marketing to women with what they've learned actually sells to women? Then you go on to say "It's not to make things more politically correct, it's a cynical move on the part of the studios to increase mass market appeal". These are one and the same thing. Let me ask you, what would a version of the The Hobbit without "benign sexism" look like? Should every troupe of axe-wielding warriors be 50% female or something? Is there a line between sexism and realism, or are they the same thing? Food for thought.

  • VengerDFW
    VengerDFW 19 hours ago

    Gandalf... I swear to Christ...

  • pineappleagent1
    pineappleagent1 20 hours ago

    Wow that ao3 mention blew my socks off. I was not expecting that to be casually thrown in there 😂

  • Vicente Fernandez
    Vicente Fernandez 21 hour ago

    Yeah I keep comment-spamming. I actually think the Tauriel character could have been pretty good, and even the romance with Kili could have been something interesting to see develop, grow and pay off... IF THEY ACTUALLY DEVELOPED IT. Dammit.

  • Vicente Fernandez
    Vicente Fernandez 21 hour ago

    Del Toro would have been perfect for these movies. Not only because I love the bastard, but the way this guys sees a story, that simple yet incredible look his movies have, would have worked so well for a tale like this one.

  • Vicente Fernandez
    Vicente Fernandez 21 hour ago

    I would be such a Nella if I ever step foot in Hobbiton.

  • redjakOfficial
    redjakOfficial Day ago +1

    23:48 Tauriel, if you shoot your arrow in that position, you can say goodbye to your right ear, half your face. And your left boob.

  • Adylom Lomlom
    Adylom Lomlom Day ago

    500 euros for a cloak... a "little bit" exploitative? XD

  • Mepholar
    Mepholar Day ago

    Though I'm sure I'm not first....
    War of the Five Studios

  • Logan Francisco
    Logan Francisco 2 days ago

    Justice for Guillermo!

  • brynndaquil
    brynndaquil 2 days ago

    “maybe these films were deeply flawed and often disappointing, but that matter to the people of new zealand” no they don’t

  • Sarah Holzapfel
    Sarah Holzapfel 3 days ago

    I hate the Hobbit... I really do. I tried so hard to like it but after I have seen all 3 of them I wish I could unsee them and enjoy LotR without thinking about these movies sometimes.
    That said... I loved your Hobbit videos. You made a lot of very good points.

  • Jim's Inkspot
    Jim's Inkspot 3 days ago

    Feminist claptrap without any understanding of grace to Tolkien for the times in with this was Written. Wasted my time.

  • Justin Epperly
    Justin Epperly 3 days ago

    I really enjoyed this! That is all.

  • Sara Burke
    Sara Burke 4 days ago

    Can someone explain the wierd jazz music in the background? It's driving me nuts. I actually don't want to finish watching this becuase of it.

  • pablo emanuel
    pablo emanuel 4 days ago

    You're gonna make me cry

  • Shaun Swain
    Shaun Swain 5 days ago

    Something I love about LOTR is that it looks and feels like New Zealand to watch to the point it feels like a moving tourist card. (Because it kind of was.) The Hobbit on the other hand... does not. I'm all for the fight to keep it filmed in New Zealand, but it sure as fuck doesn't LOOK like it was. It looks like it was filmed in a backlot filled with greenscreen. (Because it kind of was.)

  • Senjuti
    Senjuti 6 days ago

    ....Watching this after seeing what happened to Justice League.. is kind of really..really infuriating....

  • Minty
    Minty 6 days ago

    31:30 is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard.

  • kailomonkey
    kailomonkey 6 days ago

    Could someone (you?) please just re-cut the movies to make emotional sense? The way you've described?

  • kailomonkey
    kailomonkey 6 days ago

    Yea I hate studio misogyny

  • K Håland
    K Håland 6 days ago

    It's certainly a problem when a video about a movie is more compelling than the actual movie

  • DWLostCompanion
    DWLostCompanion 6 days ago

    What an excellent analysis. It helps explain the feelings that seem unexplainable. And the interview!!! Amazing!

  • combevideo
    combevideo 7 days ago

    15:00 youtube is playing your vid at 30fps, but the source is still 23.98, so it can still be said that you're watching it in an approximation of 23.98, since it's not like frames are getting added or anything. Unless you're watching on a TV with frame interpolation, in which case you are a horrible person.

  • Niina's Fairychamber

    I wonder how many producers of the Hobbit trilogy had actually read the book...not that many I assume.

  • Maciej Bogdan Stepien
    Maciej Bogdan Stepien 10 days ago

    18:03 Soooooo wrong. He was of the Dunedain of the North. He was like 80 not 10 at the time.

  • DJ Sakura
    DJ Sakura 10 days ago

    Coming back to rewatch this and I literally cannot get over how thirsty Orlando Bloom's wig looks in EVERY SINGLE SHOT. Its like a tumbleweed in the desert.

  • Alexandria Albanese
    Alexandria Albanese 10 days ago +1

    John Callen said it at the end of the video. The dwarves and the hobbit had the heart the films needed. And that really could be felt in the first film. I legit wanted to BE a dwarf after watching that, to have that comradery. Shame it was wasted. (Also, thanks for making me cry by showing Thorin's death scene! Holy crap, it never fails to be difficult to watch... T_T)

  • Alexandria Albanese
    Alexandria Albanese 10 days ago +1

    The Hobbit movies have problems, but I have to say I love them dearly. They got me through some difficult times. I DID always wish though that there had been more about Bilbo and the dwarves throughout, because they are such a fun, likeable, and genuinely interesting group of people - every single one of them. I understand why the makers thought people wouldn't be interested in this band of mostly-older men, but I really thought they were great fun to watch. The ensemble scenes with the dwarves make the films, imo! That said, while I'm not a huge fan of the elf-dwarf romance they added in, it doesn't bother me TOO much. The "Feast of Starlight" song that was included because of that aspect, as an example, is simply STUNNING. (The song sung in the languages of elf and dwarf.) I will forever get tears whenever I listen to that song, because of its own beauty and what it has come to remind me of. One thing I DID feel was a raging dumpster fire in this film series was everything they did with Legolas. Like, LEAVE HIM OUT if you're going to bastardize him THAT much - just don't even include him! I felt like it cheapened the relationship he later develops with Gimli, by having him interact with and help dwarves as much as he did in this "prequel."

  • Nicholas Hibbeler
    Nicholas Hibbeler 10 days ago

    Great video. I think I can finally see that the Hobbit movies have done a great service to the country of New Zealand.

  • Rayjin Canayjin
    Rayjin Canayjin 11 days ago

    Can't lie, I would have loved to see a Pan's Labrynth style Hobbit movie.

  • Pieter Naude
    Pieter Naude 11 days ago

    Did they... Did they CGI out Bilbo's eyebrows!? 30:07

  • HugoLuman
    HugoLuman 12 days ago

    Damn, this went from internet review to freaking documentary journalism

  • Jessica McAtarian
    Jessica McAtarian 12 days ago

    If Tolkien was sexist....Eowyn literally wouldn't have existed. Celeborn would have undergone the test of the Ring, not Galadriel. And Luthien would have stayed in Doriath while Beren went to get the Silmaril, but instead she fought by his side, saved him as much as he saved her, subdued and enchanted Morgoth himself!, and THEN went to the Halls of Mandos to bargain away her immortality to bring Beren back to life. If you think a woman is strong just because she fights on the battlefield alongside the are literally missing the exact point Tokien was trying to make with Eowyn.

  • JaPowClips
    JaPowClips 12 days ago

    I mean... it wasn't that there wasn't much to *like* in The Hobbit film trilogy, it's just that there was sooo much to *hate*.
    Grew up on Tolkien lore. Read LOTR cover-to-cover, back-to-back, again and again - as well as everything else Middle Earth-related. Really enjoyed Jackson's LOTR - though not without reservations. Made it part-way through the first of his Hobbit films before closing my mind to them entirely and never honestly giving another chance.
    If nothing else your review has given me an excuse to consider watching them... maybe...

  • charlie jefferson
    charlie jefferson 12 days ago

    I was shocked to find there is so much hate for the hobbit. I am the opposite. I loved the hobbit but found Lord of the rings difficult to watch, especially the 1st one. Never read the books though so had no expectations. I didn't find an unexpected journey difficult to follow at all.

  • Jessica McAtarian
    Jessica McAtarian 12 days ago

    The absolute worst part about Tauriel's existence was that her presence and "love story" destroyed Fili and Kili's deaths. They were supposed to fall defending Thorin at the end, their bodies literally at his feet. I read the Hobbit seeing this as a triumph of their familial love and loyalty to their king over the lure of the dragon hoard. But no, Fili had to get shanked and Kili get distracted by "I've known you for like 2 days but I'll die defending you and leave my uncle and king to fend for himself".

  • Kelsie
    Kelsie 13 days ago

    Maybe I got saved by these being 48 frames per second because I barely made it through only the first one because it gave me a migraine.

  • radical adequacy
    radical adequacy 13 days ago

    the what?

  • Piggymonst3r
    Piggymonst3r 13 days ago

    The no homo part slayed me

  • Steve Closs
    Steve Closs 13 days ago

    Aragorn would have been about 26 at the time of the Hobbit, not 10. He's 87 in Two Towers, and this takes place 60 years before the beginning of Fellowship.

  • GeorgeBonanza
    GeorgeBonanza 13 days ago

    Benign sexism? This is renaissance fantasy, there were no empowered female yass queens so twitter won't bitch, you don't have to fabricate these nonexistant female super women to write some wrong, women are different, thats real. its not sexism.

  • schorsch1989
    schorsch1989 15 days ago

    Aragon is a dunedain and i'm not sure, how old he during the hobbit is, but i think a little bit older than 10

  • LR Buxton
    LR Buxton 15 days ago

    This is a very interesting critique, with many good points: the recollections of the veteran actor are also very intriguing. It's curious how these films never quite matched the LOTR movies, and it's a good example of a franchise no longer matching its source material and trying to second-guess the market. A shame the dwarves were moved away from centre-stage with Bilbo - in the book they have such character, whilst in the films I can barely remember more than a couple of them.

  • cosmo naut
    cosmo naut 15 days ago

    16:43 did anyone see legolas' eye bags awful retrouch?? worse than snap 😂

  • Tulkas
    Tulkas 15 days ago

    its not dine or dane, its day-in.

  • Crystal Leach
    Crystal Leach 16 days ago


  • Simon Rolfe
    Simon Rolfe 16 days ago

    Thank you Lindsay. For years I have struggled with a lurking dissatisfaction with The Hobbit movies. I usually end up just throwing my hands in the air and shrieking "We hates it! We hates it forever!" Mum read The Hobbit as our holiday book when I was about 10 (1972). I started reading The Lord Of The Rings when I was 11 and have never stopped. I loved the LOTR movies (regretted Tom Bombadil but understood and it was over three hours any way; no Glorfindel: yes, it would have been a pointless drop-in character but why butch Arwen up in TFOTR if she reverts to type in TTT and ROTK; Sam & Frodo's tiff on the Road to Mordor: I didn't see the point, didn't like it but soooo minor and over in a jiff and anyway; Sam facing off against Shelob, Goddamn Sam the Man!; the slanderous change to Faramir's character and motivation: no no no no no a million times no but then, that's why god invented the fast forward button.). But I came away from TH 1, 2 & 3 with a sour taste in my mouth. Started off so well but my soul died a little during the Keystone Kops sequence with Radagast and the Orcs. Also Azog the Defiler died years before TH. Bolg lead the orcs at the Battle of the Five Armies. If they had to have an orc antagonist from the get go (which they SO did not) why not Bolg. And Beorn. The one genuinely funny passage written by JRR, as Gandalf introduces the dwarves to Beorn; cut for a bizarre horror movie chase by monster trope. Gandalf knew it was Beorn. Was he just being a dick to the dwarves? Ahem, I seemed to strayed from my original intent, which was to say thank you for your insightful assessment. I look forward to part 3 of 2. Cheers.

  • Stan
    Stan 17 days ago

    Damn, you're savage! But you nail down the problems, and you're funny on top of it!

  • Mike Dench
    Mike Dench 17 days ago

    I found it best to ignore the book completely and take the movie as something quite individual for its own merits, whatever they may be seen as, which depends entirely on the viewer. Frankly I loved 'super Legolas' but if there was one wrong note (there were several) it was Stephen Fry's creepy sidekick who reminds me of Goebbels (Nazi propagandist). At least Jackson and the actors fleshed out the dwarves - no pun intended - making them come to life so much that I enjoyed re-reading the book much more now I had something in my mind as a picture to visualize when they were mentioned.
    So, to summarize, I've enjoyed your two videos critiquing the 'Hobbit' movies. After my first encounter with the second film I was disappointed at what seemed to be a comic book version of the 'Hobbit' especially that ludicrous melting gold sequence which is totally over the top ridiculous BUT subsequently I've come to realize that these films are entertaining if nothing else and that's the bottom line that really matters. Viewed as a piece of cinematic artwork these films are richly detailed and rewarding which is why I bought the DVD's and still watch them several times per year.

  • Golden Spoon Productions

    The first movie was honestly the best. The only thing I would've changed was all the crap with Gandalf leaving to meet other LOTR characters and then I agree, Thorin and Biblo's dynamic should've lasted through all 3 movies. Other than that I really enjoyed the first one. The other two made it so much worse.

  • ReloadPsi
    ReloadPsi 18 days ago

    "I'm going on an adventure!"
    "Nella, you were 28 when-"
    I was 20 when I watched Stargate SG-1 and now play airsoft in SGC gear while occasionally yelling one-liners from the show. Yeah, what now?

  • Reader B
    Reader B 18 days ago

    tauriel looks like fiona from shreck idk why

  • Reader B
    Reader B 18 days ago

    the strangest thing is that people DONT WANT the movie that these studios keep thinking they want!!

  • Reader B
    Reader B 18 days ago

    this i as good as any documentary on tv, lidnsay!!

  • Dave Connor
    Dave Connor 18 days ago

    Anyone watching with closed captions lol hard at 29:05?

  • The Creeper
    The Creeper 18 days ago

    Two years and then being forced to leave a movie just before it started filming while being upset about it? Edgar Wright thinks that's cute.

  • Joshua Campbell
    Joshua Campbell 18 days ago

    No Matriotical settings in fantasy? RA Salvatore wrote you a whole underground community!

  • killExtReme1000
    killExtReme1000 18 days ago

    i might honestly fall into a bit of a depression after this video. When leaving the movies originally after having brought myself to watch them all a lot of the silly decisions i was mad about. watching how it all came to pass just makes me sad to the core at what couldve been and what was therefore taken from me.

  • Jimmy the Gent
    Jimmy the Gent 20 days ago +2

    This was a good video, but I feel like it needed a love triangle.

  • Pineapple Shit
    Pineapple Shit 20 days ago

    oh its so sad what happened with these movies..i read the book before the movie came out and was really excited...then..thaaat...happened

  • David Patterson
    David Patterson 20 days ago

    You really have to ask though, did we REALLY need this to be a two part review? I mean, there was probably only enough material for one good review video and it kind of feels like this video is digging for padding material from the extended features of the dvds. Overall, this review was okay but used too many cheap transition video effects and didn’t really capture the feeling of reviews from my childhood.

  • Mikayla Healey
    Mikayla Healey 21 day ago

    I love everything about this.

  • J Egner
    J Egner 21 day ago

    "Hurry up and wait" I have only heard that in my time in the Army.

  • Alex Mooney
    Alex Mooney 21 day ago

    Does thorin die in the book I barely remember the book. Do any of the dwarves die?

  • Besso
    Besso 22 days ago

    why does it hurt sO MUCH ???

  • Julie .Nautrup Andersen
    Julie .Nautrup Andersen 23 days ago +1

    Am I the only one who think Legolas' coloured contact lenses looks uncanny?

  • Hisame Artwork
    Hisame Artwork 23 days ago

    I think Aragorn is 20+ since he's 80+ in LOTR and Hobbit is 60 years prior or something like that.

  • Filmsparks
    Filmsparks 24 days ago

    The 48 fps actually made the movie more cheap looking in my opinion

  • Filmsparks
    Filmsparks 24 days ago

    I wonder if the actors who played the dwarves did the mining song from snow white while they were in the caves? that would have been awesome if they did that

  • Shawn Elliott
    Shawn Elliott 24 days ago

    The problem is, unfortunately, women in movies DO need a justification for being there, because without a justification most viewers will just ignore the female characters' development and wait for the scene where they get to see tits (for the male viewers) or some kind of stereotypical revenge against the Mean Girls or Abusive Men in the movie (for the female viewers). These things happen _anyway_ in most movies, but at least the justification written into the plot gives their characters depth that would otherwise be ignored by the viewers.

  • Phelibas
    Phelibas 25 days ago +6

    "why does it hurt so much?!" "Because it was studio mandated"

  • T.V.O.
    T.V.O. 25 days ago

    this is so good, i totally imagine seeing this on tv! great heckin job 👌🏼

  • Rayanaminge
    Rayanaminge 26 days ago


  • DarttheLegend
    DarttheLegend 26 days ago

    Since Aragorn is 87 during The Lord of the Rings, no, he would be in his 20s or 30s during the hobbit, as Bilbo is 50 when he begins his journey and is 111 at the beginning of the Fellowship of the ring. (Numenorean and Elvish blood yo)

    • DarttheLegend
      DarttheLegend 25 days ago

      I'm gonna let you reread my comment. I'll give you a hint, Aragorn is mentioned.

    • President Kudsi
      President Kudsi 26 days ago

      Don't hobbits age slightly slower than humans. Like they are middle age as 50 and tend to die of old age at 120 rather than 80

  • notpointed
    notpointed 26 days ago

    John Callen mentioned that treasure in the Maori language is tied to heritage and family.
    Now I want to see Guillermo Del Toro making two kinda epic fairy tale fantasy movies about a Maori legend. As a band aid for his Hobbit movies we never got.
    Ah who are we kidding, unless the movie is too violent I'll watch any fantasy movie he does.

  • Niven42
    Niven42 26 days ago

    "I am no man!"
    Yeah, that's a kick-ass woman! Why couldn't Aragorn end up with her??

  • Niven42
    Niven42 26 days ago

    Sorry, but that sounds EXACTLY like what Del Toro would do. I'm still waiting for my "At the Mountains of Madness"... :(

  • Jocelyn Rodriguez
    Jocelyn Rodriguez 26 days ago

    Your simply fantastic🌟

  • Mini Wizard
    Mini Wizard 26 days ago

    27:56 Other tabs including: "I want to be held by thorin", "how strong is thorin oakenshield?"
    Seems you might be slightly happy with the studios decision to make a couple of the key characters less iconicly dwarvish ;o)
    However, joking aside, you've created an excellent breakdown of the films, their production, story arcs and irrelevencies within.

  • tarrker
    tarrker 27 days ago

    Yes. All sylvan elves fight. Even the lady elves. Because in Mirkwood you fight or you die. That is, unless you're lucky enough to live in the crazy underground city place. x_x

  • Boston Towny4life
    Boston Towny4life 27 days ago


  • Boston Towny4life
    Boston Towny4life 27 days ago

    Jesus I never even realized that about the dwarves in The Hobbit, how the "better looking ones" got the leading roles. Jesus, what a fucking mess.

    • President Kudsi
      President Kudsi 26 days ago

      Cause the studios figure that ugly people aren't sympathetic and you'd only care about people you would want to sleep with.

  • André Ripoll
    André Ripoll 27 days ago

    amazing amazing amazing series!

  • Caleb Murray
    Caleb Murray 28 days ago +1

    Zanz Kant Danz but at least he won't take your money?

  • DL
    DL 29 days ago

    Long live the studio conglomerates and the swill they push to all of us consumer pigs!

  • Sparky Mularkey
    Sparky Mularkey 29 days ago

    I was really disappointed with how the Hobbit movie franchise ended. There was a whole lot about it that I loved, but it was bitterly disappointing in the end. That being said, that small whimper that Bilbo lets out when grieving Thorin's death never fails to choke me up.

  • savioblanc
    savioblanc 29 days ago

    Tom's right on the mark - People didn't go to the Hobbit Village because of the Hobbit films - it's the LOTR films. Let's just forget those Hobbit films happened

  • eatthisvr6
    eatthisvr6 29 days ago

    the best female lead in holywood history is ellen ripley, and thats precisely because it doesnt matter at all wether the character is male or female, THATS equality

  • Cody Cole
    Cody Cole 29 days ago

    Well if Aragon were 87 in two towers that puts him at what 27 during the hobbit? It's 50-60 years before the fellowship yeah?

  • Mike Smithmyer
    Mike Smithmyer 29 days ago

    That "I want to be held by thorin" tab made me lose it.
    On an extra note though. The scene with Thorin and co. in Bag End, singing their song (not "That's what Bilbo Baggins hates") seriously gave me goosebumps and was one of the most incredible parts of the movies, and that entire sense of camaraderie was almost entirely thrown out the window for a fake love triangle and a whole bunch of CGI action.

  • Mykill Mielia
    Mykill Mielia Month ago


  • HalfwitHam
    HalfwitHam Month ago

    three words...Sunk Cost Fallacy

  • Lha Dzyan
    Lha Dzyan Month ago

    the issue about the missing mother of Legolas was better explained in a very short scene of the Extended version of BotFA, where as Legolas goes to help Tauriel into give some aid for the dwarves in Ravenhill, Gandalf saids some very brief and important line for Thrandruil true secret motive for claiming the jewels and necklace of the Dwarves in Erebor that brought him there in the first place.
    Also Aragorn is already getting his 20´s at the time of The Hobbit events, but he kept his young appeareance for more than 60 years after it at the time of the LotR trilogy because he is a Dunedain, a special race of men that aged very slowly and got to live very long spanse of time, that is quoted and set up in a dialogue between his character and Eowyn´s in the extended version of The Two Towers, where she is shocked to know he is already gotten on his 80s.

  • The Dude
    The Dude Month ago

    1:16 a wild Dan Olson appears!