The Hobbit: Battle of Five Studios (Part 2/2)

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  • Published on Apr 3, 2018
  • So we've looked into what the problems were with these movies, the question now is... why? What happened, Peter Jackson? WHAT HAPPENED?
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  • Pablo Jiménez Rodríguez

    Aw, John Callen, God bless you

  • Beev
    Beev 3 hours ago

    studio meddeling is the worst, no matter if in movies or games or whatever and i always ask myself: "Dont the studios notice that their product almost always fails (especially with the critics) if they take the wheel away from the creators?"

  • SingenStatt Atmen
    SingenStatt Atmen 5 hours ago

    Oh man... It's this all consuming thought of what could have been that really tears me to shreds. And what never ever will be... If anyone ever does decide to remake the hobbit, all the amazing cast members probably won't be able to star in it anymore - I adore Ian McKellen but I don't think he will still be able to play Gandalf in 30 years (although he did somehow not age between LOTR and this), Marin Freeman is definitely the *perfect* Bilbo and so on and so on... It's just so fucking sad. The joy that the movies did happen with this amazing cast ist just overshadowed by how 'less-than' the movies turned out. And to see that the cast didn't not have the time of their life on set also really bums me out... Just. I don't know. Damn, I guess.

  • Elsa Frost
    Elsa Frost 16 hours ago

    I feel very sorry for Del Toro and i think he would have made an incredible movie!

  • No Way
    No Way 16 hours ago

    Aragon was in his eighties during the events of lotr, he ages slowly because he's a dunedain COME ON YOU'RE DOING SO GREAT!!! Don't make those tiny mistakes.

  • Norma Barrera
    Norma Barrera 17 hours ago

    This has been one of the saddest videos I have seen in my life: How a precious book was torn apart by greedy studios. Tolkien must be indeed rolling inside his grave

  • GeniusGen
    GeniusGen 21 hour ago

    17:58 I'm so confused at this cause in the Lotr books it appeared to me that Legolas and Aragorn first met at the council of Elrond and were not that familiar with each other?? (Jackson reading Aragorn/Legolas fics maybe???) Great video btw, I love your humor and the effort you've put in to make these videos. 👏

  • flabbergast
    flabbergast 2 days ago +1

    Well... Aragorn was between 25 and 30 during the battle of five armies, after all he's 87 during the fellowship and that was roughly 60 years later.

  • Leo W
    Leo W 2 days ago +1

    I just wanna say that John Cellan seems like such a cool old dude. I’d love to just chill and have a beer with him.

  • Etrip
    Etrip 2 days ago

    Poor Evangeline, she will never escape her roll as Kate.

  • Etrip
    Etrip 2 days ago +1

    This is amazing quality! The interview was perfect, you didn't interrupt and bomb with questions, very respectful and letting him actually tell what happened. More interviewers need to learn this.

  • Roofhack
    Roofhack 2 days ago

    Aragorn is a special human apparently, he is already 87 years old by the time of LOTR.

  • loungeblogger
    loungeblogger 2 days ago

    did you just call Kiwis simple minded? xD

  • John Kesl
    John Kesl 2 days ago

    "MGM had a problem...3.7 Billion of them" HAaaaaahahaaahahahahahaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaaaaahahahahaha...…………...HHHHAhaahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhhhehheheheee …. …… whew. Good stuff, Excellent work. Commitment is what I call this.
    Can't wait to see 3 of 2. (Who are you, Douglass Adams?) Further, Some of the shit you say is F-in hilarious.

  • Moroni MacInnes
    Moroni MacInnes 2 days ago

    actually Aragorn says, in two towers, that he's 87 so he'd be 27 in these movies

  • pteroyster
    pteroyster 2 days ago

    Brilliant!

  • 7yditchfits
    7yditchfits 2 days ago

    Yo I have those exact glass mugs from the end. I'm drinking out of one right now! Kinda wild.

  • John Abbatiello
    John Abbatiello 2 days ago

    You've become one of my favorite channels after discovering you a the end of last year.

  • Ally Koboldt
    Ally Koboldt 2 days ago

    I literally read A Spell for Chameleon in high school for a class, and it still fuels my hatred for Piers Anthony to this fucking day

  • C Y
    C Y 3 days ago

    Aragorn is of the Dunedain and so he ages much slower than normal men

  • Daniel Ambition
    Daniel Ambition 3 days ago

    18:05 aragon was not exactly human and was super old in the lord of the rings im pretty sure, so he would have been grown and not a boy.. subbed btw great videos you are fun and very lovely

  • SIMUL4CR4
    SIMUL4CR4 3 days ago

    You are amazing, hilarious and brilliant, and your videos are masterfully crafted.
    Thank you Lindsay, you just earned a new subscriber.

  • Jurij Fedorov
    Jurij Fedorov 3 days ago

    Lawrence of Arabia has no women in it. You only see a few nurses in the background in one scene. But it's still one of the best movies ever made. There is no need to force female characters into stories they are not in. But I do understand why Hollywood does it. There is a ton of money in the female audience.

  • Hiraghm
    Hiraghm 3 days ago

    Tauriel's line "Why does it hurt so much?" is so freaking ANNOYING. How old is she? Six? She's never experienced the loss of someone, or seen someone have to experience loss?
    They should have injected two words into the statement to make it more mature and fitting: "have to"
    "Why does it have to hurt so much?"
    "Because it's real".
    This acknowledges that she expected it to hurt, but still wonder why it hurts so badly; making her an adult who knows about the pain of loss, but didn't expect this kind of pain for this person because she didn't realize the meaning behind her feelings for him.

    • pyropulse
      pyropulse Day ago

      Elves are immortal; their experience with death is not the same as us mortals. Her confusion at her feelings of permanent loss is perfectly valid, and the performance of the actress is very good despite the narrative importance of the scene being utterly meaningless.

  • Konrad Krüger
    Konrad Krüger 3 days ago +1

    Women in recent fantasy are viewed as weak or written weak? Well then you never red the books to .... ahm the best videogames in recent history called "The Witcher". Seriously go and read those and you will love the sometimes brutal but real racism and how this fictional society works. But god damn do they have some of the best female charakters ever.

  • ISuckAtGames
    ISuckAtGames 3 days ago

    hmm...87 in T.T .....60 years from battle to Bilbo's birthday..ish..17 more years...huh..yeah..bout 10..

  • illid4nstormr4ge
    illid4nstormr4ge 4 days ago

    This video was better structured and didn’t feel like a whining child complaining they didn’t get what they wanted

  • Andy Patrick
    Andy Patrick 4 days ago

    Best ending to a TheXvid video of ALL TIME.

  • Surma Wolfsoul
    Surma Wolfsoul 4 days ago

    "Also Aragorn is like ten during the Battle of Five Armies..."
    Oh shit I never thought of that...
    "I dunno, love triangle where the characters have no reason to like each other I guess..."
    LITERALLY DESCRIBES EVERY ROMANTIC FILM EVER MADE. Note to Hollywood: THIS is why many women hate romantic films that are ALLEGEDLY "made for them."

  • Christopher Buckley
    Christopher Buckley 4 days ago

    Fucking Warner bros strikes again

  • Broken Warhead Studios

    I just want to remake these hobbit movies sometimes

  • Mekela Tyler
    Mekela Tyler 4 days ago

    If you were a college professor, I would purposefully fail your class just so I could have more time to listen to you teach. You are so👏🏾good👏🏾!!

  • eric vulgate
    eric vulgate 4 days ago +1

    what about the sackville baggins?

  • Joseph Scheidl
    Joseph Scheidl 4 days ago

    Tauriel should have died trying to save a dwarf, causing legolas to hate dwarves, blaming them for her death
    And also, Aragornification is my favourite word now

  • Stephen Hutchison
    Stephen Hutchison 4 days ago

    So, women DO engage in battle in Tolkien. The Silmarillion is full of stories about how about how that happens. They do not engage on the field in armies, as a rule, but exceptional women do break the rules, just as they do in the medieval stories on which this was based.
    The women, in Helm's Deep, were armed so they could fight the Orcish invaders in the tunnels and passages because otherwise they would be stolen and raped. Their battles were not masses of weapon-swinging thugs, they were backstabs, self defense, poisoning and ambush when they were forced to do it. When forced into skirmish, they used ranged weapons -- bows and magic -- more than they used melee weapons, because that's consistent with the prejudices of the writer, who was a late 19th century/early 20th century Oxford Don from the upper middle classes, and a Catholic to boot.
    That also makes Tauriel into a fanfic insert, but she would not have been a BAD fanfic insert if only they had made the "triangle" into a flirtation that both of them knew wouldn't work, because ELVES AND DWARVES ARE NOT THE SAME SPECIES DAMMIT. Dogs and cats can be friends but they generally don't actually MATE.
    The studios always wreck everything good.

  • TheLaxLex
    TheLaxLex 4 days ago

    “And I really like the dynamic they built between Thorin and Bilbo (and so does Ao3 by the way)”
    You’re a treasure, Lindsay.

  • Micah Lee
    Micah Lee 4 days ago

    Elves and Dwarves are not even supposed to be a thing! Gah read The Silmarillion. The Dwarves weren't even part of Illuvitar's (Tolkien's God in the universe) plan! They were created by one of the Valar (think greek gods) out of rebellion! And Illuvitar allowed them to live but they would never be a part of his great plan, which was the "ennoblement of man" through the careful (and only 3 times!) mixing of Elf and Man's lines. A dwarf/elf romance goes against the very core of the entire Middle Earth world.

  • Aerie Leah
    Aerie Leah 5 days ago

    So I realized I've been watching your content for a while now. Which begs the question: why haven't I subbed? Well one way to fix that *subs*

  • Sloid
    Sloid 5 days ago

    Women don't do battle in Tolkien's world, just like they haven't done battle historically in our world.

  • TheMoodyMules
    TheMoodyMules 5 days ago +1

    🤦‍♂️Poem Wifu.

  • Coleman Scollard
    Coleman Scollard 5 days ago

    LINDSAY!!!!!!!!! Aragorn is 27. The Hobbit is 60 years apart from LotR, and during the Two Towers on the march to Helms Deep, Aragorn tells Eowin that he is 87. So, sorry, maybe 26.

  • Chewbaccafruit
    Chewbaccafruit 5 days ago

    But why does it hurt so much?

  • Gabriel Munn
    Gabriel Munn 5 days ago

    Funny how those couple of seconds of Bilbo sobbing manages to tug at my heartstrings so much more than "WHY DOES IT HURT SO MUCH?"

  • Paul Ramirez
    Paul Ramirez 5 days ago

    LOVE this!!! Just to clarify, I love the critique. The movie was crap.

  • Decembirth
    Decembirth 6 days ago

    Your friend is adorable.

  • Marnix Peeters
    Marnix Peeters 6 days ago

    aragorn was like 50 or smth

  • CBC ronin
    CBC ronin 6 days ago

    Shout out to Haleth and Luthien Tinuviel, the forgotten female heroes of Tolkien's universe. Would also like to say a wee disappointed, not one "poe-tae-toe" from fem-Samwise during this vid.... great work as always Miss Ellis.

  • Clara Borges
    Clara Borges 6 days ago

    About Tauriel: I remember when I saw that there'd be a female elf among the guards, etc. I was super pumped! I was like "thanks, PJ!", but I honestly thought that's all she was gonna be - a guard. Maybe personal Thranduil guard or smg, but minor role, as in just a guard walking on the back of the scene. The fact that they put her there WITH a stupid love triangle that would make Tolkien jump off Thongorodrim, is way worse than having no women at all :(

  • ravenofhope
    ravenofhope 6 days ago +1

    At least Evangeline Lilly gets to be the Wasp now...

  • Austin Woods
    Austin Woods 6 days ago

    And may you never recapture your childhood attraction... or you'll be some inverted Peter Pan. I like that one... C2018!

  • Austin Woods
    Austin Woods 6 days ago

    Watching this 2x apparently. Now you know you got good content. Wait... Now, I know I have content! Thanks.

  • Joshua Fogg
    Joshua Fogg 6 days ago

    Ironically, I liked Tauriel.
    But yes, it was very out of place.

  • Dylan Ward
    Dylan Ward 6 days ago

    Nice Arty Bees shirt haha

  • Scuba_Steve
    Scuba_Steve 6 days ago

    So grateful for this video, I feel so much better about these train wrecks posing as movies, after watching this.

  • Stephen Moore
    Stephen Moore 7 days ago

    11:04
    Hey, talk about a Battle of Five Armies, am I right?

  • Mauro Daniel D'Ambrosio

    [explodes]

  • scathiebaby
    scathiebaby 7 days ago

    LOLROFL they promised her to not be part of a love triangle, yeah right.

  • Adrijana Radosevic
    Adrijana Radosevic 7 days ago

    ...why is writing women hard? I'm seriously thinking about this... is it really that we cannot help but write a difficult complex emotionally driven (sub)plot for a woman, because we adhere to patriarchal idea that women are guided by complex emotions, so much we're convinced that wouldn't work?
    Because if you look at some of the BEST and most referenced female characters - Ellen Ripley, Furiosa, Sarah Connor... they're all very simple characters. Which kind of implies this CAN be done, you CAN successfully write a simple female character with a simple story relieved of deeply complex emotions.

  • Vilver II
    Vilver II 7 days ago

    The best part of The Hobbit movies were the first trailer we got. So much potential, we had no idea what lied ahead.

  • Josh Liam
    Josh Liam 7 days ago

    So cool that you got an interview with a primary member of the cast!

  • HitchensImmortal
    HitchensImmortal 8 days ago

    I like badass ladies. A token one is better than a token none.

  • ArchetypeGotoh
    ArchetypeGotoh 8 days ago

    Utterly clever ending

  • Noah Nelson-Smith
    Noah Nelson-Smith 8 days ago

    Aragorn would actually be about twenty something.

  • Fafi Timo
    Fafi Timo 8 days ago

    Thats what ed sheeran meant, when he sang: raise a Glass of wine, for the Last Time.

  • Havel the Rock
    Havel the Rock 8 days ago

    When Thranduil says "Your mother loved you, more than anyone" He actually answers a lot of questions both in regards to his relationship with Legolas and to his wife. Legolas's mother paid far more attention to Legolas than to Thranduil, causing him to feel neglected. So, King Thranduil felt torn because he both loves Legolas but also sees him as a representation and reason for his wife's neglect.

  • Sevedris
    Sevedris 8 days ago

    Oh man, a great interesting video, and then as it draws to a close, here comes a random dude saying, "Well actually...."

  • Anne Onyme
    Anne Onyme 8 days ago

    Wow! Such amazing work! Going to New Zealand, interviewing the actors of the movies, ... You are taking movie reviews to a whole other level, aren't you?! Well, bravo regardless! I learned quite a lot, and it help frame my disappointment and frustration at the hobbit movies in a new light, for which I'm quite thankful for.

  • Russell Thayer
    Russell Thayer 8 days ago

    "Hollywood doesn't like female characters because they're hard to write." What. The. Fuck. Ever.

  • Adam Horyna
    Adam Horyna 8 days ago

    The Tolkien was sexist part was really weak, in Silmarillion there are many powerfull and intersting females.

    • Pixels Mossman
      Pixels Mossman 8 days ago +1

      Did she say Tolkien was sexist? No, she said that The Lord of the Rings was rooted in European Fairytales, which are themselves rooted in patriarchal narratives with limited roles for women

  • Whitney Asante
    Whitney Asante 8 days ago

    How meta of you.

  • Dumbledoresarmy13
    Dumbledoresarmy13 9 days ago

    ...Is that the pie guy from "Pushing Daisies" ?

  • T1544767
    T1544767 9 days ago

    For all that are concerned about female characters represented well in film, go watch Rob Ager's video on 10 reasons why Ellen Ripley is the perfect feminist character for a compare/contrast.

  • mercster
    mercster 9 days ago

    Also, you are a very pretty lady.

  • Tabitha Urukai
    Tabitha Urukai 10 days ago

    Just a wee nit-pick, but Adwene wanted to be a shield maiden as a suicide mission. She chose to live when she met Faramir instead of casting her life aside. Kind of a love conquers all, not just love puts a woman in her place. She made it very clear she would never live in a cage.

  • asrsi
    asrsi 10 days ago +1

    The Hobbit was just disappointing!

  • Chrono Mitsurugi
    Chrono Mitsurugi 10 days ago

    elven cloak ... $900?
    ...thats not exploitative. Disneyland is exploitative. a $900 cloak is insanity.

  • Richard Spadaro
    Richard Spadaro 10 days ago

    Aragorn was a dunedain, they were hundreds of years old.

  • dexter dakanay
    dexter dakanay 10 days ago

  • Strassboom
    Strassboom 11 days ago

    I died laughing when I saw Dan Olsen sitting in front of the door

  • Terence Hynes
    Terence Hynes 11 days ago

    These are so great!!!

  • Robert Brownlee
    Robert Brownlee 11 days ago

    What a patronizing ending. NZers aren't a 'simple people'.

  • Carpe Vinum
    Carpe Vinum 11 days ago

    27:55 lol

  • Shawn Pyke
    Shawn Pyke 12 days ago

    Lindsay makes really good videos, and has really strong opinions (especially about LOTR). i think there is enough raw material in the Hobbit Trilogy to make a really solid single Hobbit movie. SHE SHOULD MAKE HER OWN EDIT (and share it, cause i would love to see what kind of movie she could make out if it).
    Lindsaaaayyy!!! make a fan-edit!! plleeeeaasseeee???
    im sure it wont even take that much tiiiiime (lol j/k j/k j/k)

  • Joseph Henry Reyes
    Joseph Henry Reyes 12 days ago

    Harvey Weinstein! Ruining everything for everybody!

  • Y
    Y 12 days ago

    I thought Tolkien’s Elves treated males and females pretty much the same? Both male and female Elves would go to war, right? Though they acknowledged that women were valuable in the sense that they carry children.

  • Y
    Y 12 days ago

    Around the time of filming Billy Connolly was very ill, so I assumed that was why Dain was CGI and not Connolly in prosthetics. Don’t remember this necessarily being confirmed though.

  • MrPtrlix
    MrPtrlix 12 days ago

    Your friend is the best haha.

  • SW Network
    SW Network 12 days ago

    This whole video is a microaggression

  • Ric Stubbs
    Ric Stubbs 12 days ago

    Choosing technological marvel and profit over the simple heart of the human, emotional core of a fairy tale? It's like every theme in Middle-earth ever.

  • Joel Underwood
    Joel Underwood 12 days ago

    My personal favourite part "[I'm not transcribing this again]"

  • subkontrabasklarinet
    subkontrabasklarinet 13 days ago

    "Because it was real" is the new "And he was a good friend".

  • Ian Strouse
    Ian Strouse 14 days ago

    this is my first comment ever because this is just excellent a+ content, i'm delighted to have discovered your channel!

  • FettManTAG
    FettManTAG 14 days ago

    I don't really care for the Lord of the Rings but the Hobbit has a special place in my heart. But you mentioning Terry Goodkind immediately has my attention. I'd love to hear you go over your thoughts on his works.

  • joanofarc33
    joanofarc33 15 days ago

    You race too quickly through the Jackson law suit drama.

  • Nug the Bug
    Nug the Bug 15 days ago +1

    Man gotta love those Kiwi Accents

  • ilejovcevski79
    ilejovcevski79 15 days ago

    Excellent points. Just one small caveat...... i think they ripped of Boromir just a wee bit more then Aragorn when they "fleshed out" Thorin.....

  • Blit_Wizbok
    Blit_Wizbok 15 days ago

    25:04 - Where the fook does she get that arrow from?! She doesn't have a quiver, it's not either hand. She just transmogrifies her dagger into it, blatantly.

  • Dr. Know
    Dr. Know 15 days ago

    PJ salvaged a pretty good story from a train wreck. There should be an Oscar for that. BTW, Lindsay, do you really believe that medieval armies were all-male simply because they refused to give women a fair chance? Really?

  • bairdrew
    bairdrew 16 days ago

    "We need to talk about Tauriel"
    Well yes I suppose we do, but after you examplifying the cavalcade of fail thus far, I needed several hours break.

  • Jessica Cejnar
    Jessica Cejnar 16 days ago

    I went into watching the Hobbit movies with such optimism. To this day, one of the most brilliant scenes in both trilogies, imo, is the Riddles in the Dark scene. But after the second film and the love triangle, I couldn't watch anymore.