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at 1:16, is that the guy from folding ideas?
Regarding Aragorn's age, he'd be 27. In Two Towers he mentions he's 87, and The Hobbit takes place 60 years before then, so he'd be in his late 20s.
Lindsay with her face red due to the sun and white circles around her eyes, due to her sunglasses, it's kinda cute
Those TBS commercials were great! It's a shame we can't have some heartfelt bro-love in a movie because studios can't handle a friendly jab from a cable channel.
Really great set of videos! I look forward to part 3/2
1:16 that man... is that Folding Ideas!?
I doubt focus groups would cut down on the "gay". Male to male affection and spending time together is always popular (since after the silent film era), unless something happened in the past couple years (I stop following movies)
2:26 THIS SHOULD BE A TRILOGY!!!! NOT THE HOBBIT!!!!
'Bunch of stuff about women and fantasy and patriarchal societies.' I'm just wondering - not to be an asshole, I'm honestly curious - if you've read the Wheel of Time books?
Was that a sneaky Dan in Hobbiton?
You did such a good job on this! earned my sub fo sho
The hobbit is one of my favorite books of all time, I enjoy the movies but still it's a bit heart breaking the way they turned out.
Sigh. I remember when the first trailer came out and the dwarves fell into melancholy song. I about lost my mind, it was so epic and lovely and on-tone for the story. And then the movies happened, and I just lost interest.
*rolls on the floor laughing at the ending*I see what you did there, Lindsay, and I love it!
But del Toro perfectly merges the whimsical childlike aspext kf stories with the dark nd suspenseful! I can't help but feel it would've been awesome
Tolkien’s benighted sexism? I hope that was a joke because nothing could be further from the truth.
1:16 Well, I just had my YTVEEU expanded by this cameo.
1:16 isnt that the guy from folding ideas?
"Hurry up and wait" who runs that studio a veteran?
> At one point Tolkien described Éowyn as "a stern Amazon woman". Later he wrote: "Though not a 'dry nurse' in temper, she was also not really a soldier or 'Amazon', but like many brave women was capable of great military gallantry at a crisis."Only “AT A CRISIS?!” And only “MANY” brave women, not ALL brave women?! ALL WOMEN ARE BRAVE DAMMIT!! That’s it! I’ve had it! I AM DONE with Tolkien! A filthy misogynistic pig!!! This patriarchy has gone on LONG ENOUGH, ladies! And look at this garbage?? What all has it gotten us, anyway? EVERYTHING THE MALE PATRIARCHY HAS EVER BUILT NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED SO WE CAN FINALLY GET OUR FRESH SLATE, LADIES!!! THEY SOMEHOW GOT THE UPPER HAND BEFORE, BUT WE NEED TO SHRED WHAT THESE PIGS HAVE BUILT AND BRING IT BACK TO BASE-LEVEL AND THIS TIME WE‘LL MAKE SURE TO ORDER SOCIETY THE RIGHT WAY!!!!!BE STRONG MY SISTERS!!!THE ARCHETYPES ARE JUST MALE CRAFTED MYTHS!!!
Seriosly RIP... I bet a Del Toro duo of movies with a whimsical tone would have been amazing....
"Kili looks like your anime boyfriend" lol
Legolas's mom dying also is directly contrary to his character in Lord of the Rings. When Boromir and Gandalf die he looks confused and he struggles to process it, as if he's a sheltered elf prince who's never dealt with death before. Having the death of his mother now become an important part of his character makes no sense.
I always thought it would be funny if it's revealed that Fili is actually like 12-years-old, and that's why he only has stubble. He and Tauriel have a romantic moment, and Kili can crash it like "what the fuck, back off you pervert, HE IS A CHILD."
Seems like this trilogy could benefit tremendously from a talented editor taking a machete to it and recutting it into a much leaner 5ish hours.
I feel bad for the talent that was wasted
Lets just all rejoice in the fact that they'll eventually re-do these movies to make...more money, maybe they'll get it right the next time.
Really thrilled I full-screened immediately and didn't see that Part 3/2 was queued up next.
I know these kinda comments are in the first video, but again, congratulations for that Hugo Award nomination, this is a really well made essay and really interesting.
This video makes me sad, especially in the end. We missed an opportunity watching an authentic relationship formed between Bilbo and the whole company of the dwarves as it was envisaged by that actor being interviewed. Of course we had the great development arc between Thorin and Bilbo which was essential, being the main protagonists (and that death scene always brings me to tears), but a lot of potential was missed due to corporate greed. The main message of the Hobbit is that greed is bad and corrupts you and that you should be focusing on forming genuine relationships with people and bettering yourself, however in the end the trilogy suffered from that exact greed the studios brought upon this story. Instead of a great adventure with a new fellowship all we got was bombastic and ridiculous CGI video game chase scenes, pointless battles, a forced and really cringeworthy love triangle that made no sense, an anticlimactic death of one of the main antagonists and a crappy editing leaving out all the important scenes about the Arkenstone and the Thorin/Dain arc because, hey you gotta buy the Extended Blue Ray Edition!
What John says at 30:52 makes me sad, there was so much passion from the original core actors but the studios just shoved it out the window :(
Uh I knew it the Hobbit could be the worst greedy cash grab adaptation in movie history since the three movies amassed: The Hobbit - 1 billion, Desolation - 960 million. Battle - 950 million They played on our love of LOTR and Tolkien and won. I feel overcome with cynicism but great review !!
I might hazard a guess (but I'd be happy to be proven wrong) that the Kiliel romance was part of the original two-film version, but they only added the love triangle with Legolas in re-shoots.
I so want to live in a world where delToro directed a two-part Hobbit movie. PLEASE! I'D ONLY NEED A DAY!
"These [New Zealanders] are a simple folk, trying to find their way through the global economy"As a New Zealander myself you have no clue how true this statement is!
"Hahaha Lindsay, The Battle of Five Studios. Nice pun there, I'm sure it was two or three- *oh* "
I still subscribe to RedLetterMedia's theory: that one day there's going to be a fan edit of the Hobbit trilogy that's going to cut about 60% of what ended up in the film, and it's going to be about 4 hours long from start to finish. THAT version is going to be fucking awesome.
There have been fan edits like that. 'First one I heard of was The Tolkien Edit.
The AO3 comment XD
um... they wanted to avoid gay jokes about bilbo and thorin so they directly mirror their scenes with the only romantic couple in the movie? ok queen
"Noah I'm going alone...just me and my cameraman"
i friggin love nella so much. does she have her own channel?
Personally, I don't care what anyone says. For what lay before him, I give Peter Jackson credit, and The Hobbit is not only one of my favourite books, hell my FAVOURITE book, but I love the Hobbit movies. The casting was great, and I understand the changes that had to be made. I am old enough to understand that when it comes to cinema certain changes have to be made for certain reasons. And after obtaining the Special Edition directors cut of the Hobbit Trilogy and watching all of the interviews, I have to say that any problems I did have, were soothed. While I may not always agree with all changes, I can accept those that were made. Because I have the magic of the book and the movies to go back too, whichever I'm in the mood for.I don't waste my time shitting on the hard work that was done by these people. And for what we could have gotten? I say Hobbit deserves a much kinder view. I've decided to look on the brighter side of things and realise that for the work and effort that was put in, we got an amazing movie. And the book? Well I own multiple copies from multiple copyright years. I can go back whenever I want.To me, personally, it's a waste of time to nitpick at the movies. Why can't someone just sit back and enjoy both for what they are? For what we could have gotten, I'd expect most of you to just be fucking grateful.
"I'm Tom Augustine"Oooh, he's cute.…totally not what this was meant to say o.o
It's been almost a year since you uploaded this, and I *just now* got the gag about it suddenly being a 3-part series.
20:57, 27:55 - Lindsay's new ASMR channel, coming soon?
I think that you like drinking while editing because of the mariachi music... Am I wrong?
I love Nella.
So, another promising movie(s) ruined by a studio. Someone should do a series about these movies that were destroyed by dumb and short-sighted studio execs.
It's such a shame when I look back on the Hobbit, I first watched it when I was 12, having not seen the Lord of the Rings. Despite this I loved it and it was one of my favourite movies that I watched 10+ times, I still look back on it with fond memories however, scenes like the dwarves around the fire place singing, that make me realise how much I really loved it.
I was wondering why I hated this movie so much.
At 21:03 you say, in reference to the representation issue, that the changes made are "not to make it more politically correct," but rather that it's "a cynical move on the part of the studio." The problem here is that you don't seem to understand what is meant by "politically correct." "Politically correct" does not mean "in line with progressive values," which is how progressive defensively interpret it, but rather political correctness is the *cynical feigning* of progressive values in order to appeal to or appease a mass audience. So yes, this is the very definition of a move done for political correctness. Its "see? we embrace your values! give us money!"
AHHHH I'M JEALOUS YOU GOT TO VISIT THAT SET. Eowyen (sp?) is a WAY better character than Arwen and Aragorn should've chosen differently-anyone wanna fight me? xD I honestly thought TaurielxKili was kinda cute though. I definitely would have gone to see the movies (love story or no love story) but it was one of the few things I really liked about the Hobbit trilogy, tbh. Basically, I like parts of the first movie, a lot of the second and....never want to watch the third one again.
Aragorn is 26 or 27 during the battle of five armies not 10
Was that FoldingIdeas Dan on the porch of that hobbit hole?
Wow that interview was incredible. Really tugged at my heart
But the gay memes were the best!
This in the first time I've heard someone say that Aragorn would be so young. That's wrong. Aragorn is 87 at the time of the fellowship. The Hobbit takes place 60 years before. Aragorn would of been 27 years old. Though I do agree it's a pretty stupid way to try and bring about their friendship.
Why do Legolas' eyes look so weird in the Hobbit? They looked normal in LOTR.
LOTR: contacts Hobbit: CGI 😔
Anyone wanna get together and cut the films up a bit to try and make a coherent two or long single film?
No HoMO !!
1:15 folding ideas?????
God damn, there are so many layers to how fucking insulting that question at 19:30 was. For Evangeline Lilly, who loved the Hobbit and was so excited to be in the film, to have something so condescending said that just cements her character as being a goal between these two characters where the one romance element she had is joked about. It must hurt that she didn't get to be this deep complex, mythological Tolkein figure she'd hoped for.
Wow, the interview in particular makes me sad and angry about what this movie could have been...
Thankfully, there's a great fan-edit by Maple films that edited the entire Hobbit trilogy into one film. And the focus (if not most of it) is now on Bilbo, the Dwarves and their journey.
Aragorn isn't a kid at the end of the hobbit. Don't pretend like you didn't know he's 82 in the two towers for the sake of a joke
+J DMC this is true, but also aragorn isn't mentioned at the end of the hobbit in the book
You're not factoring in the 19-year gap between Bilbo's 111th birthday party and Frodo leaving the Shire. At least that's what happens in the book.
I'm mean... at least Del Toro gave us pacific rim right?
Wow. The development hell was so bad. As an artist, I know that art takes a lot of time and a lot of patience. If one tries to rush through, they'll shoot themself in the foot. The end product is sloppy and inferior. I admit that I have never done a movie before. Still with all the work that goes into it, I imagine the time aspect still applies. I feel sorry for Peter Jackson, because he was rushed by the studio. I hate being rushed with a passion. Being rushed in an art peice must be gosh awful. I recommend that he get ample time for preproduction. Then the movie wouldn't have been so messy. I also reccomend that the filmakers watch Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and take notes. That movie is like the Hobbit in that there are a bunch of dwarves alongside a main character. The movie is about an hour and a half, and it could still flesh out the dwarves well enough for them to be distinct characters. Grumpy even has a bit of an arc to him. The Hobbit Trilogy has twice as many dwarves and about six times as much screen time. I think it was possible to flesh out the dwarves in the same way. Bilbo is like Snow White in that he is the main character that hands out with dwarves. I feel sorry for the actress who plauyed Tauriel. When will studios learn that love triangles won't work anymore? People are sick of them. Personally I am Team Legolas. Nobody is as good as an elf, especially not Legolas. Kili is handsome and charming for a dwarf, but he is outclassed. The movie has a predicament in that it is based on an old story, and it is not PC. So there is a tradeoff with being accurate and being PC. Maybe having Galadriel and Tauriel being the only female characters was an attempt to strike a balence. Maybe Hollywood struggles with writing women. I do have a tip. Make a fleshed out character first, and then selet a female gender afterward. Changes in gender doesn't affect the character very much. It can be justified by the fact that half the human population is female. I think there are ways to add more females in the story. Some of the dwarves can be female. That would be an interesting addition. Beladonna Took could become the mother of Bilbo. They can have some bonding scenes in the Hobbiton parts. Belladonna can inspire Biblo to go on adventures. She can also house sit while he is gone.
Is that Folding Pictures at 1:17? Lol
They will actually tell you that rendering 2 frames that are 'in focus' due to 48 FPS vs rendering 1 frame that is 'blurry' due to 24 FPS is actually easier. They would rather render multiple 'in focus' frames than 1 single frame where they have to incorporate the 'blur'
It's a shame they can't just let creative people take risks. I mean, look at Depp's first performance as Jack Sparrow, which the director of that movie didn't like. I feel like Del Toro's would have been a masterpiece, but instead they chose something that would bring in money and be forgotten by time. Can't rush art.
if I went to hobbiton I would be sobbing from the time I get on the bus until I'm on the flight home. I'm jealous so start smiling more lmao
I have never seen so much of my own country in a youtube video
Thanks for your brilliant videos.
Lol, the subtitles at 29:10.
This video made me feel really bad for Guillermo Del Toro, Evangeline Lilly, and especially John Callen, all of whom went in with passion and enthusiasm, and got the short end of the stick so the studios could get what [they thought] they wanted.
Well, part one was blissfully free of...it
You gotta post the full interview with the John Callen
I was super hype for these when i saw the misty mountain song trailer. But honestly i was bored to tears by the third one. When they were hopping around on terrible cgi goats in battle ....my eyes rolled so hard i think i lost some vision permanently. Its a real shame all these studios had their fingers in the pot completely spoiling the mealI mean the first 2 were boring as well but the third was really bad
I was robbed of a beautiful Hobbit themed Guillermo fairytale
John Callen told a wonderful and an heart breaking tale.
Good post op
I get what the actor's saying and I think he's right. The problem is that the original The Hobbit story isn't what a studio would aim for. It's not a blockbuster material. They wanted LOTR 2.0 but that's not what the story it... and that's where it failed.
Aragorn is a decendent of the numenoreans. He is vlessed with a longer lifespan. When the events of the hobbit takes place he is 50 years old since the hobbit is 40 years before LOTR.
Aragorn would have been 27. Just sayin.
I mean, the ending of the Hobbit was a brutal literary mess in the book too. Thorin dies and the battle ends, and Bilbo leaves, having said farewell to the dwarves real quick, and then there's the bit back in Hobbiton with the auction and the hobbit-hole.
Thank you so much for your work on the perspective of the Hobbit. I have a really similiar feeling, as the LOTR came out in a very important time of my life (finishing school, starting university etc.) and I made alot of friends and had wonderful times on the german RingCon conventions I never ever wanna miss out. So my emotional attachment was big and I wondered, as well as you did, if it was that emotional attachment that made me ... well... be kinda disappointed by the Hobbit movies, although I really really wanted to like them. Thanks for showing the backgrounds, especially the interviews with John Callen were very enlightening and also made me sad and melancholic a bit, in the way of what the Hobbit *could have been* and that there had been something real and passionate in the cast. It made me very said as he described the feeling of being "highly paid extras" even though they should have been the main characters of the movies. So I guess behind the Hobbit movies lie two alternative (perhaps Del Toro) Hobbit movies that could have been something different and really great.That's the thing about the Hobbit movies - it's not that they were all trashy, then I could have discarded them easily, but that there were beautiful elements, like the beginning, the riddle scenes, Bilbo's talk with Smaug, that were somehow wasted in the CGI and money interests of it all. I have to slightly disagree with you concerning the relationship between Bilbo and Thorin, though, because I find Thorin's behaviour sometimes a bit... I don't know... huffy on Thorin's side?! He claims that Bilbo is hindering them in their journey when he has to be rescued after the attack of the stone giants, although he himself has to be rescued too by his comrades. And also later when Bilbo tells him there's a big angry dragon of the same name in Smaug's lair he demands Bilbo to return for the Arkenstone instead of offering to help him which sounds alot like a suicide mission (that may be also due to the introduction of the awful awful white Ork character in the movies) . It makes Thorin somehow seem like a petty dictator that does not acknowledge his own faults, that's why I didn't really like him in the movies after those scenes. My favorite added scene with him is actually in the 3rd movie when we get a glimpse of Thorin madness which perhaps would make his behaviour more believable in hindsight (and Bálin's praise of him seem a bit more untruthful..) while also letting Richard Armitage finally show what a good theatre actor he is. Okay, enough babbled, thanks alot for the good work and now I'm off for the 3rd video. (great ending btw :))
Mom shaped angst is the title of my polka-centric, Nirvana cover album.
Would Aragorn have really been 10 when this story happens? I thought he was actually around 60 or something in the Lord of the Rings. I’m also unsure of the timeline so maybe he really was that young.
Truly fantastic, from beginning to end. Well done, guys!
Horrible Misinterpretations of GREAT Books.
Legolas wig was so much better in LotR
seriously this is some of your best work!!! i hope youre proud of this series cause you should be!!!!
Gah... del toro was the genius behind Pan's Labyrinth? Oh...why oh why did Jackson be allowed to take over from him...
Omg I love that ending xD
Wait... so all the horrific studio interference... wasn't the whole story? I am actually terrified of part 3 now...
My top 5 good things (ie the ONLY good things) about The Hobbit trilogy:1. Freeman as Bilbo2. Cumberbatch as Smaug3. the scene when the dwarves arrive at Bag End4. Smaug (yes, so awesome he's on this short-ass list twice)5. Thranduil being very pretty to look atOh, alright, I'll put Thorin in at a respectable #6.
The absolute cheek in this video is palpable. I love it!