CAN YOU MAKE TITANIUM & STEEL DAMASCUS?!?!

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  • Dave Holmes
    Dave Holmes Day ago

    I think you should try and make one from unobtanium and transformium.

  • Marc A.
    Marc A. Day ago

    Try the taco method.

  • Marc A.
    Marc A. Day ago

    Try sandwiching a hard metal around a light soft metal.

  • Sokandueler95
    Sokandueler95 Day ago

    So, I know that certain chemicals like hydrogen and nitrogen either bond with or displace oxygen. Given the combustible nature of hydrogen, I think going with a more inert gas like nitrogen would work better. The problem is that flame requires oxygen, and if you displace too much oxygen, then you don’t have a fire. Alternatively, I read somewhere that using small amounts of kerosine works to eat up the non-combusted oxygen. It sounds stupid, so I’ll leave that to the discretion of actual smiths.

  • Tbs Schiro
    Tbs Schiro 2 days ago

    twist it in the vise like you did with the nickle and copper

  • Shawn Lechner
    Shawn Lechner 6 days ago

    Magnesium and brass

  • paul gogos
    paul gogos 7 days ago

    I manage a Steel foundry here in Melbourne AUS. We use titanium as a deoxidizer for many of our mild steels.
    It really isn't too bad to work with.
    But then again we're used to a lot worse than a few Sparks coming our way.
    Great video 👍
    Love your work and the experiments

  • Jacob and Jake
    Jacob and Jake 8 days ago

    Try thinner titanium and steel because the center of the metal was completely unbonded

  • George king
    George king 8 days ago

    Might just be me but think you'd do better just fluxing the crap out of the thing? Borax is your friend. 😉 Maybe try between the plates before you wield and also cover the piece in a pile of borax while heating. Borax could possibly replace the argon and prevent oxidation? This is just a theory, based of the principal that borax as a fire wielding flux works and was recommended by my tutor (a master Smith of 40+ years). It's used in fire wielding to prevent oxidation and was how he made Damascus steel (a brilliant class, I was honoured to attend 😊). I believe it should also work to prevent your oxidation problems with titanium.
    P.s. "Yes Borax is soap, but also a lot better and cheaper than most commercial fluxes", words of a master Smith. 😉
    I'd also recommend Hereford Technical College, where I studied. Many talented Master Smith's employed as "teachers" (they still throw hot rivets at you if you talk in class 😂, it's a proper old school education). Honestly there's no substitute, if you want to learn blacksmithing in the UK go to HTC it's worth it (other places may be great, I'm not hear to knock anyone else 🤗).

  • George king
    George king 8 days ago +1

    Who did you say got this to work? They must be a god! 🤯 With minor forging experience I can appreciate the skill that must be required to do this right.

  • Jeff Dahl
    Jeff Dahl 8 days ago

    Have you made a blade using just titaium?

  • assassin200136
    assassin200136 9 days ago

    so can you use a flux on this or no? cuz I believe if you have agent that traps out air or pushes air when heated it should allow for it to bond tho heating should be rapid idk.

  • DingleZilla
    DingleZilla 10 days ago

    Good morning Alex, Very interesting stuff. I may be a little late with this suggestion but did you save the Titanium swarf after milling? If not then make some and save it so that you could try alloying it or forging it with Aluminium or Copper or both to make a material to make something. By keeping the piece of Titanium very small you may stand a chance of encapsulating the swarf which could be exposed later by the grinding process? Just an idea young man!

  • Daniel Piekarz
    Daniel Piekarz 10 days ago

    How about Tungsten?

  • Brian B.
    Brian B. 11 days ago +1

    How about Nichrome/steel or Kanthal/Nichrome? Better yet, go above and beyond try using some other wild materials like cobalt, chromium, Beryllium, manganese, antimony, iridium, molybdenum and maybe some osmium ✌🏻 Can’t wait to see something outside the box!

  • Brian B.
    Brian B. 11 days ago +1

    Gold and silver - Goldilvascus 😂

  • endro Dodo
    endro Dodo 11 days ago

    Seer teuing nyarios si mank eta mah

  • Tevor TrevorSpurlock
    Tevor TrevorSpurlock 12 days ago

    I respect your skills! If you could just tone the mania down-it would be great! just saying-not trying to be a turd-just constructive

  • James Ryals
    James Ryals 12 days ago +1

    What about combining powdered steel with powdered titanium?

    • Thomas Bolman
      Thomas Bolman 2 days ago

      That will explode. Never use a hot process with powdered Ti. They use water rams to compress powdered Ti.

  • Benton Pickens
    Benton Pickens 12 days ago

    Try bronze and titanium

  • osomxl
    osomxl 14 days ago

    Careful and make sure you get every last scrap of titanium, especially any dust. Titanium can combust with just static electricity. We had to switch to a water bath dust collection system to collect all the grinding dust and still had random dust collector fires.

  • C R
    C R 14 days ago

    Cool idea, i wonder if you can assemble a canister damascus set submerged in a liquid that wont react with the metals, seal the canister and then forge under a inert gas or vacuum. Getting into the space age metallurgy field. Really cool!

  • Donnie Weeks
    Donnie Weeks 14 days ago

    So I wonder how much that bar is worth

    • Donnie Weeks
      Donnie Weeks 11 days ago

      Thank you I was wondering

    • ferze001
      ferze001 11 days ago +1

      titanium alloy clocks at around 70 dollars per kg.

  • PAUL HAUGAN
    PAUL HAUGAN 15 days ago

    I think the titanium has a much lower expansion coefficient than steel.

  • farickobain
    farickobain 16 days ago

    Vanadium steel and tungsten steel Damascus

  • Natthkorn
    Natthkorn 16 days ago

    Tantanuim and steel both are like 2 dry pieces of bread, you need a jam in between in order to stick it in together and that jam is ceramic I guess probably not true

  • WaschyNumber1
    WaschyNumber1 16 days ago

    No cooling fluid on the milling mashine?!

  • That's not My name
    That's not My name 18 days ago

    Thought titanium didn't rust

  • Tim Kirschke
    Tim Kirschke 19 days ago

    What about trying canister filling it with Argon before you do your final weld

  • Brian FITZ
    Brian FITZ 22 days ago

    Maybe you tried already but sterling silver might work with another soft metal..

  • BGrosse09
    BGrosse09 23 days ago

    Don’t ever put water on a titanium fire(know from personal experience) you can use a fire extinguisher that is made for metal fire or let it burn out

  • Amanda Yeargain
    Amanda Yeargain 24 days ago

    Here's my humble suggestion: draw out the titanium longer, mill out a few holes in it, then sandwich it with steel(1/8th in. layered sheet but you know better than I). The steel should bond to itself between the holes when you hammer it and you'll retain the strength of having a titanium core. Assuming you're going for a sword.

  • JTFess
    JTFess 24 days ago

    I know the metals are pretty soft and expensive. How about Gold and Platinum or Silver n Gold

  • Arthur Morgan
    Arthur Morgan 26 days ago

    “I just like hitting things”

  • Kurt Simmons
    Kurt Simmons 26 days ago

    After watching this all the way through you need to give titanium a soak of at least a half hour. It wasn’t hot all the way through. Being that thick at least 45 minutes in the furnace. Plus heat your dies up with your torch. Titanium cools quickly!

  • Kurt Simmons
    Kurt Simmons 26 days ago

    Alec I worked with titanium. We also made medical implants and Aerospace. The highest temp we ever forged titanium at was 1800 degrees Fahrenheit and the lowest temperature was 1700. I’m not sure if this helps or not?

  • mellorarma
    mellorarma 27 days ago

    Have you tried making Damascus from precious metals?
    Like gold and Platinum?

  • papasimscs
    papasimscs 27 days ago

    Japanese smiths used to exclude air by wrapping the metal in paper that was then coated with a very wet clay.

  • Chuk Gek
    Chuk Gek 28 days ago

    вот балабол

  • Ilikesharpknives
    Ilikesharpknives 29 days ago

    Can you Forge weld Zirconium and steel?

  • ACEzlittlejr
    ACEzlittlejr Month ago

    What if you just melted them together instead?

  • tulsi beepat
    tulsi beepat Month ago

    Well that's how I know to work titanium however try making the timascus as your not making it for profit ,yes?

  • Rick Vincent
    Rick Vincent Month ago

    They aluminum and titanium

  • Gibson Smith
    Gibson Smith Month ago

    Looks like bismuth

  • Christopher Lawson
    Christopher Lawson Month ago

    Hello i used to work at a titanium manufacturer that is one of the leading titanium manufacturers in the world i did learn a couple things that i will now pass on to you
    1. Do not tig weld on titanium if you can help it tungsten is poisonous to titanium and if you have any inclusions they will crack the whole plate. Because the tungsten makes it brittle.
    2. The best way to bond titanium to any other mettle or make an alloy it is best to do in a vacuum or a 100% argon environment.
    3. Avoid compression at high temperatures it will elongate the grain structure and make it incredibly easy to contaminate if you have to compress the material use a cold rolling method

  • Toha
    Toha Month ago

    Mix every metal together

  • Jhon Wick
    Jhon Wick Month ago

    very much annoying

  • Jhon Wick
    Jhon Wick Month ago

    👎

  • Kursat Ayar
    Kursat Ayar Month ago

    Ula uşağum yavaş konuş

  • donvoisko
    donvoisko Month ago

    make a heavy metal and christian worship damascus!

  • Humboldt Oregonian
    Humboldt Oregonian Month ago

    Sparks don't kill; and, make it out side. Tig was once called Heliarc, and was a patented processes; but, you still Tig?

  • Petrino
    Petrino Month ago

    theres a titanium mine near the town i grew up in norway, norwegians are famously bad at naming things, so the mine is named titania. it is the largest source of Ilmenite in the world. id bet a dollar your titanium came from there.

  • Sebastian Ramadan
    Sebastian Ramadan Month ago

    I think the two metals won't want to bond because they're too distant from each other on the anodic index, so instead they rust and degrade each other. Maybe consider silver and titanium (edit: because it seems like it has the potential to catch views)? Alternatively, if you're hell-bent on titanium and steel, I think you will need something in-between them on the anodic index, like brass (and I assume you're using high-chrome steel), so your stack should be like: titanium, brass, steel, brass, titanium, brass, steel, brass, titanium. I have very little experience welding and fabricating though; the extent of my knowledge is a three month course a decade or so ago... and I'm not an expert in chemical reactions, either... I just see it this way: heat exacerbates corrosion, and two incompatible metals (e.g. metals that are too far apart on the anodic index) usually don't tend to like "mixing"; one takes electrons from the other (that is to say, they corrode each other)... and I think you don't want those layers of rust in your knife, not like that.

  • My ChildishWays
    My ChildishWays Month ago

    NO WAY!!! That's part of my hip!!!

    Na just joking...
    ALEC make a 1 MILLION+ Layered TITANIUM Katana!?

  • Nyikili
    Nyikili Month ago

    Titanium+Tungsten Damascus katana pretty please with sugar on top!!!!!!!!

  • Eddie Martin
    Eddie Martin Month ago

    Did anyone else try and blow the fire out when he fuse welded. Lmao

  • aeroman5000
    aeroman5000 Month ago

    Titanium. Slow speed heavy feed.

  • Lythrox
    Lythrox Month ago

    Ok Alec. I have been quiet for sometime here. but this is where I need to introject. Like evilution said, so it's my assumption that you just don't know how to do it.
    See it frustrates me when people have too much money and have no idea what to do with it.
    So I am going to start right here. You need something called an Induction forge. You use a sub component of titanium, which is present in wootz damascus and then you can use your equipment. Preferably titanium forged hammer to keep impurities out. You want to keep impurities out because they will cause porous in the material. The thing that's sparking when you're chipping it off is called slag.
    So how can you forge titanium and keep it's compound malleable? Power titanium or other mixtures of nitrate which is why you see the molecular structure of the what is call Timascus.
    Good luck getting that off the shelf. Finally, how do you get the dendrites to form and make those beautiful wave like shapes? Or the Wood like metal? Electromagnetic Induction fording. After you have that and a titanium hammer piece for you forge hammer you can freely work titanium like steel.
    Just remember that titanium always prefers abrasives, especially diamond over steel cutting blades.
    After all, Titanium has roughly the same structural strength as steel. Has better heat resistance, and is almost half the weight of steel.
    After all, that's why it's used in aerospace over other applications of steel. Still, if you see that piece of aligned dendrites with nitrate, that look like fiber weave. That has 16% more rigidity than cold forged steel.
    So in my opinion and the others before me. Titanium is superior to steel in every way, because you can't fiber weave iron and carbon with electromagnetics or there will be a nasty short in your equipment.

  • Oscirrion
    Oscirrion Month ago

    there any metal that is compatible with both steel and titanium? If there is, maybe it could act as a glue.

  • Dayton Culick
    Dayton Culick Month ago

    Titanium and copper

  • MotoMatt
    MotoMatt Month ago

    Chromium/steel/& aluminum. (Just picked 3 off the top my head) killer content bro

  • Arty Arthenwel
    Arty Arthenwel Month ago

    Something I've been wanting to know is: Does folding crucible steel yield any benefits or is it just a waste of time? I know that the reason for folding metal was designed to allow the steel with different carbon and impurity contents to give support to the blade and allow for greater strength, but does that mean it wouldn't work for crucible steel as it is technically pure steel with no impurities? Also, does Tungsten make for good material for blades? If so, maybe a tungsten-Titanium Damascus or a steel-tungsten Damascus?

  • Alex Rog
    Alex Rog Month ago +1

    One thing you should know about titanium is that its mealting is so high in comparison to most materials, and while it becomes somewhat maluable, it wont break, this means that you cant for a dimascus with steel and titanium unless you find a way to trap the molten steel between the almost molten titanium. Titanium takes several thousand degrees of heat to mealt, but it isnt a perfect conductor, so if you can put enough electricity through it, you may be able to get it hot enough. I'm not sure just how much heat it takes, but i know that it can take at least 3000 degreas of heat withought melting. Also most of the sparking is probably impurities in the titanium, including titanium oxide, however if you can expose it to enough carbon monoxide, any titanium oxide should act simmilar to thermite, releasing a ton of energy as the carbon monoxide rips away the oxygen, possibly heating up the metal enough to get near or even past the melting piont. If you are going to heat up titanium then your best bet for a crucible would be tungsten, and if you need to cut titanium, you will need a plasma cutter. The king of random made a cheap plasma furnis that you should be able to build easily if nessisary. Also watch the hacksmith's several thousand degree lightsaber build that talks a little about titanium and tungsten, as it uses a tungsten rod to maintain structural integrity, and uses a titanium tube to get extreamly hot. The backyard scientis also cast a sword from thermite, which is fairly usefull information as well.

  • Sambo H
    Sambo H Month ago

    Bill Burke has done this........



    I can’t believe you’ve done this

  • Stalin
    Stalin Month ago

    Is it an accent or a man from the 20's trapped in a teen body?

  • DO it If you can
    DO it If you can Month ago

    рот не устаёт?

  • D-Ɔ
    D-Ɔ Month ago

    here's a fun idea u can do alec... idk if you ever done it before or if even possible but could you make a dagger out of gold, like a ceremonial gold dagger or something :o

  • Franklin Smith
    Franklin Smith Month ago

    Would you ever try working with magnesium?

  • ken ezzell
    ken ezzell Month ago

    Just because there is a patient on the process does not mean you cant do it...its public knowlege...any one can look it up.
    You just cant sell products made from the patiented process

  • dylan ponte
    dylan ponte Month ago

    Two things one try using borax to keep the peace clean and keep oxygen out, 2 do some copper and aluminum for a small knight or short sword love your stuff and good luck

  • Shoorit
    Shoorit Month ago

    As daft as this sounds, mill titanium with very sharp inserts mainly used for aluminium. Get the speeds and feeds right with that and it cuts beautiful.

  • Mike Hall
    Mike Hall Month ago

    Can you smelt the two together? Probably common knowledge for people who know these things but I don't.

  • Michael Shortridge
    Michael Shortridge Month ago

    Simon from Alvin and the chipmunks???

  • Brooklyn Pantojas
    Brooklyn Pantojas Month ago

    You should try melting gold silver titanium and steel combine them and make a viking battle axe the patterns in the mix will look amazing

  • uncle smokey
    uncle smokey Month ago

    groovy jazz track ya had goin there...

  • Sean Cullen
    Sean Cullen Month ago

    have u thought of adding a ruductant to is similar to how u use borax in other kinds of forging to remove any oxygen from the forging process, or something like vacuum wielding could work though i dont know if u can do that at an affordably level

  • Mount Aetna Blacksmithing

    I would recommend using steel with a lower carbon content. The higher the carbon content, the lower the melting point. So using mild steel, or possibly even wrought iron, may allow you to get closer to titanium's melting point. Closer to melting, the more likely fusion is to occur.

  • Reuben McKay
    Reuben McKay Month ago

    How about forging cobalt with another metal?

  • Thomas Lawson
    Thomas Lawson Month ago

    would the titanium stick if you take your 1090 steel heated white hot first? sandwich hot steel, cold titanium, hot steel, cold titanium, hot steel. make the steel plates slightly bigger than the titanium plates. Put the plates in a square tube stock (like a cookie cutter). hammer the sandwich until the steel sticks around the titanium. cool to room temperature. and then heat again. hammer as normal. Or the opposite, heat the titanium plates first. hmm

  • Tuvia Nesher
    Tuvia Nesher Month ago

    Aluminum 7000 alloy with magnesium Damascus

  • AdmiralThire
    AdmiralThire Month ago

    titanium-tungsten? probably crazy expensive and probably doesnt work but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • AdmiralThire
      AdmiralThire Month ago

      oof old vid, guess this comment will be lost in the pixel sea

  • Timothy Newton
    Timothy Newton Month ago

    Adamantium and Vibranium. Or Aluminum and Titanium.

  • Ethan Veillion
    Ethan Veillion Month ago

    great video. love your content but please start wearing gloves more often

  • RetroRW
    RetroRW Month ago

    Alec pls grow a beard.

  • Jacomaat
    Jacomaat Month ago

    Can you forge PLA and obsidian together please? :)

  • Randy Mouser
    Randy Mouser Month ago

    Ive never been able to pattern weld ti and steel. Ive gotten it to bond with silver and gold before.
    Titanium isnt the best material for knives (depending on the alloy of course.) Ive not been able to get it to keep a good edge...but it can make beautiful knives.
    Primarily I use titanium to make armor for larps. To cut it, I use a plasma cutter.

  • Travis Hawkins
    Travis Hawkins Month ago

    Ever thought about doing a flux bath. And attaching the steel and titanium under the flux ensuring 0 o2 between the layers then instead of going from tig to forge go tig normalize forge

  • jsdraven
    jsdraven Month ago

    Maybe a solder paste to help displace air and help remove the beginning of oxidation during the initial heat. Also maybe a gas mix in the forge to displace what oxides you can without to much on the fire reduction maybe something to help push the gasses out faster as they are spent.

  • Mike Davis
    Mike Davis Month ago

    There are only 2 ways to bond them with any strength. One is brazing using one of a few different silver braze alloys in a vacuum or in argon. The other is with explosion welding and you should just Google that for fun.

  • Wicked#IV
    Wicked#IV Month ago

    Gold at copper pleaseeeeeeee

  • The Bullet Train
    The Bullet Train Month ago

    Awesome to watch, but while I love metalwork I don't know much about Titanium beyond its use in cars and electronics. How can it explode in the examples above?

  • Patrick Ronning
    Patrick Ronning Month ago

    I noticed you had a water extinguisher. Please get a metal fire rated one, in the US called a Class D extinguisher to properly protect yourself when working Ti.

  • Markus Brunner
    Markus Brunner Month ago

    why the f is it patented to weld 2 sheets of titanium but its not patented to weld 2 sheets of steel?!

  • Paul Debaecker
    Paul Debaecker Month ago

    Have you tried copper and bronze/brass damascus? since it is all based on copper, maybe it could work, and the result could be interesting!

  • John Larson
    John Larson Month ago

    2:35 for when he catches his glove on fire

  • ThaFuzzwood
    ThaFuzzwood Month ago

    I like this channel over baltimore forge and steel as you actually explain processes and colabs which they tend to gloss over.

  • c0d3w4rri0r
    c0d3w4rri0r Month ago

    Look I’m not a metallurgist or a smith so I may be talking rubbish here but it seems to me your issue is oxygen. You could use an inert gas like argon but as you say that’s patented... but there is another way. You can use electric induction to heat steel. Why not put your steel titanium sandwich in a vacuum chamber between two insulating bricks under a heavy weight. Wrap an induction coil around the outside then use it to heat the steel. The steel heats up the titanium. The vacuum should help keep in the heat and keep out the oxygen and the presure from the weight will help the interfaces fuse.

  • MISTER
    MISTER Month ago

    Is their patent actually applicable since putting it in a box has been done for ages when making Damascus or is their patent on the gas purging in the box

  • John isaiah Marquez

    Have you tried melting it

  • Daniel Cox
    Daniel Cox Month ago

    Might try blending the titanium and steel in liquid form, preferably in a sealed nitrogen atmosphere.