Joel Klatt weighs in on initial CFP rankings, talks OSU, Oregon's playoff hopes | CFB | THE HERD

  • Published on Nov 6, 2019
  • Joel Klatt joins Colin Cowherd in studio today to talk college football. Hear Joel's thoughts on the initial College Football Playoff rankings, why he thinks Ohio St. is the best team in the country, how he thinks Oregon could make the CFP and if a CFP expansion would be a good thing for college football.
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  • The Herd with Colin Cowherd

    Would a CFP expansion be good for College Football?

    • Anthony Anderson
      Anthony Anderson 19 days ago

      @David Harrison My attitude has always been if if you lose a game, you've lost your right to complain if you don't get in. Oregon lost to a freshmen QB. Utah lost to a 3rd string QB. Oklahoma lost to an unranked team and got shredded on defense. I could go on. If you want to leave no doubt you should be in, win all your games.

    • David Harrison
      David Harrison 20 days ago

      Yes. It would be good for college football, and the players. Regular season becomes way more interesting in my opinion because then you wouldn't see teams take their foot of the gas pedal after one or two losses anymore. Let me paint a scenario, however unlikely: A conference champion from each power five school finishes their reagular season undefeated and a group of five like Notre Dame finishes undefeated. Six. Undefeated. Teams. In a four team playoff, who gets in? You can't argue "conference strength" in that case because one team dominated each conference.

    • David Harrison
      David Harrison 20 days ago

      @ryan sims Not necessarily, the seeding would be incredibly important still as it increases the chance of making it deeper into the playoffs. Having one or two undefeated teams and ten one-loss teams makes deciding who deserves a spot in a four team playoff a ridiculous task. In which the potential exists for the best team in the country at the time of the playoff to be left out of the playoff. I think people are tired of hearing, "I guess we'll never know if team A could have beaten team B because they never had the chance to play each other."

    • David Harrison
      David Harrison 20 days ago

      @Anthony Anderson In pro football the playoffs are 16 teams. This year especially, there are more than 4 legitimate championship contenders. 8 teams would be ideal. It's only one more game in the season to take it to 8. You can't tell me the current top 8 teams don't all deserve an opportunity to compete at the championship level.

    • taco highlite
      taco highlite 22 days ago


  • Javier Delgado
    Javier Delgado 15 days ago

    Putting 8 teams just waters down the playoffs and leaves more room for injury. They dragged their feet for years for a playoff... and now they want 8 teams?

  • Michael Barbalace
    Michael Barbalace 21 day ago

    Expand the playoff to 6/8 but definitely no autobids. Agree with Klatt

  • #1000 Lives
    #1000 Lives 25 days ago

    Usually Joel Klatt destroys Cowherd but his playoff argument was horrible

  • Jason Knight
    Jason Knight 26 days ago

    Problem is if they don't expand the CFP all the schools that are not in the bigger conference will suffer it will be even worse with just SEC teams getting stronger, because if you're one of the best recruits in the country you want to try and compete for a national title not have no chance at all because you went to a PAC-10 conference.

  • Zemeckis Lebowski
    Zemeckis Lebowski 27 days ago

    The skill gap between the Pats and the Bengals is infinitesimally smaller than the skill gap between LSU and WKU, or Ohio (Not Ohio State), or any number of small teams.
    When the Pats get upsetted, it shows the strength of any team that beat them. All 16 NFL games matter because of how much these teams actually play each other, and how relatively equally matched they are.

  • Kid Cuddy
    Kid Cuddy 27 days ago

    Klatt's actually top class, talks a lot of sense

  • Makai Brown
    Makai Brown 27 days ago

    That argument saying that expanding the playoffs would downgrade the regular season. They will still be intensity and urgency in every serious game that effects a playoff rank.

  • Ibreezy100
    Ibreezy100 27 days ago

    clemson did last year they were 15-0 Alabama did it they were 14-1 that loss was in the natty

  • Marco Polo
    Marco Polo 27 days ago

    No the LSU vs Bama game would become like a scrimmage or a pre-season game. An I would not watch that. I'd go do something else besides watch TV.

  • Solomon Jensen
    Solomon Jensen 27 days ago

    I think it's insane utah isn't getting any love. The game they lost to USC their best player was out. Zack moss is the corner stone of their offense

  • Scott Green
    Scott Green 27 days ago

    Ohio State is better than Miami’s best national championship team. I’m a Canes fan, but Ohio State isn’t letting anyone in the game from the 2nd quarter and their starters haven’t played a 4 quarter game yet.

  • Boofer T. Washington
    Boofer T. Washington 27 days ago

    As long as Oklahoma doesn't win a 🏆, I'm good.

  • Lurpworld
    Lurpworld 27 days ago

    When Klatt goes on his diatribe of "the regular season matters", I wished Colin would actually ask why teams like Bama playing Citadel or Wofford in the regular season matters. It's a BS argument to say that expanding the playoff protects the importance of the regular season when all to big schools schedule creampuffs throughout Non conference. Either the entire season matters and if your scheduling soft hurts you, regardless of tradition, or the season doesn't matter nearly as much as Klatt proclaims. It's just one more way to ensure exclusivity and money flows to very specific schools.

  • Brian Sheide
    Brian Sheide 27 days ago

    Has Klatt seen Bama's non-conference schedule? Those SEC schools don't play anyone because they think they can ride the conference to strength of schedule.

  • MANSTER 54
    MANSTER 54 27 days ago

    So Stupid, I hate Bama and have for 56 years. But a loss to LSU does not equal a loss to South Carolina in any way form or fashion ! I can't stand all you idiots. And the politically picked committee making all the decisions. Its all about money. The Sports money market is so far out of concept with reality, its disgusting.

  • Brian
    Brian 27 days ago

    How is the season worth anything to date? You are delusional if you think the committee values the regular season.
    1. 25-0 UCF doesn’t make it
    2. Ohio state plays Oklahoma that game kicks them out of the CFP
    3. Bama ahead of Oregon and Minnesota this year

  • Gen Street
    Gen Street 28 days ago

    Gotta agree with Klatt on this one. Part of what makes college football so great is because you know that in some games your season is on the line. An 8 team playoff sounds great but if LSU/Bama played and it were an 8 team playoff it wouldn’t mean as much.

    • Gen Street
      Gen Street 27 days ago

      Brian UCf didn’t make it because they’re garbage and proved it against LSU in the Fiesta Bowl. If Baylor and Minnesota win out they will 100% make it over Alabama and its not even debatable. Ohio States season will be on the line in the Big 10 championship because if they lose that game they will not make it. Make an 8 team playoff and Ohio State makes it regardless if they win or lose that game.

    • Brian
      Brian 27 days ago

      Gen Street how is the season on the line if your gonna have 1 loss Georgia and Alabama above Baylor and Minnesota?
      UCF didn’t lose for two years. TWO YEARS!!! And didn’t make it
      You are delusional...

  • abeer 30
    abeer 30 28 days ago

    500 dollars shoes lol.

  • James Buckey
    James Buckey 28 days ago

    Am I the only one who is more impressed by tight close wins than blowouts?

  • Billy Bob
    Billy Bob 28 days ago

    I think they ranked Alabama at 3 for the exact opposite reason. They put bama at 3 so if they did lose to Lsu they can still put them at 4 because they lost to the number 2 team. Im really surprised they didn’t put lsu at #1 to make this point even stronger.

  • Defy9Ordinary #ONE
    Defy9Ordinary #ONE 28 days ago +1

    Joe Klatt just loves OSU. That's the only team he ever praises. Stop kissing Ohio State's arse Joe! #BurrowWinsTheHeisman

  • Kurai Chitaukire
    Kurai Chitaukire 28 days ago

    Can anyone recommend a site that can help me understand these rankings.

    • Kurai Chitaukire
      Kurai Chitaukire 27 days ago

      @Brian I fell in love with college football last year and I'm just trying to expand my understanding. This system makes zero sense as your comment rightly states.

    • Brian
      Brian 27 days ago +1

      Kurai Chitaukire Yeah it’s called the toilet, because the CFP rankings are bs

  • Kyle Chandler
    Kyle Chandler 29 days ago

    I’m still watching LSU vs Bama if there’s an 8 team playoff, the regular season matters still with 8 teams the only difference is a team can lose 1 or 2 games with good sos. I’m sorry any one who argues that less competition and games is good for the sport is stupid

    • Kyle Chandler
      Kyle Chandler 27 days ago

      Brian that’s why I argue for an 8 team as well they put Bama in every year even tho Bama doesn’t play a single team that’s worth a damn until November. So let’s give some other conferences a chance. Klatt acts like the regular season matters so much and does for every team not named bama

    • Brian
      Brian 27 days ago

      Kyle Chandler or if you’re Bama you can still make the CFP with a mediocre SOS and one loss.
      In 2017 a non-conference champion, non division winner with 1 loss and 2 Top 25 wins over #18 and #20 made it over:
      - 11-2 Ohio State B10 Champion with 3 Top 25 wins over #6, #8, and #16 (loses to #3 Oklahoma and Purdue).
      - 13-0 UCF AAC Champion with 2 Top 25 wins over #21 and #23

  • Ricky Morgan
    Ricky Morgan 29 days ago

    My God they said the same thing about OSU the year Clemson 31-0. I want to see them play someone not in the Big10.

    • Brian
      Brian 27 days ago

      Ricky Morgan They Beat Cincinnati 42-0 who is tied first for the AAC - a conference that is currently statically more competitive and dominant than the ACC (4 Top 25 teams to date)

  • Kevin Clement
    Kevin Clement 29 days ago

    LSU would beat OSU no doubt

  • 23Kingsolomon
    23Kingsolomon 29 days ago +3


    • M N
      M N 16 days ago

      Keep dreaming Oregon

    • M N
      M N 16 days ago

      Oregon national championships zero lol😝😝😝😝😝😝

    • 23Kingsolomon
      23Kingsolomon 16 days ago

      @M N 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

    • M N
      M N 16 days ago


  • Radical Liberalist
    Radical Liberalist 29 days ago

    They didn't even see the Gophers coming

  • Erica Allispn
    Erica Allispn 29 days ago

    Alabama just got disqualified maybe they will schedule an opponent nonconference

  • Erica Allispn
    Erica Allispn 29 days ago

    A rule should be made only one team from the conference can be in CFP and you must be in a conference. Meaning ND doesn't ever qualify or any other independent until they join a conference and you must win the conference championship bottom line

  • Donnie Locklear
    Donnie Locklear 29 days ago

    Sounds like someone needs to check the stats!

  • Dwemmer Supremacy
    Dwemmer Supremacy 29 days ago

    This man just claimed that Ohio State’s schedule is harder... 😂😂😂

  • zach Hardware
    zach Hardware 29 days ago +1

    "It doesn't matter in post season play" wouldn't they be trying to win the west? If you win the west, you can play for the SEC title, and that AQ spot, so yes, it would matter.
    You would also schedule tough non-conference games to boost strength of schedule, in case you are a one-loss team that doesn't win their respected conference. In that case you could fight for one of the three at-large bids. The regular season may be diminished a tad, but not to the degree
    Mr. Klatt says.

  • Christopher Foote
    Christopher Foote Month ago

    What we have in place now I think is as close to the ideal as we can possibly get without making an overhaul. It's in FACT a double-elimination championship. Teams that lose two games are excluded. If we include eight then that paradigm changes to three. Sixteen it's four and so on. There's nothing to be gained by including additional teams in the championship. Zip. Nada. Nothing. It's a terrible idea. It will ruin the sport. By the way eight was prohibitive in the BCS. That's why they included a fifth bowl. That element hasn't changed. Eight won't address access appropriately. It's a bad idea. It is.

  • Ed Sev
    Ed Sev Month ago

    Let’s remind ourselves the trash talk Ohio state did then took a severe beating by Clemson couldn’t even get a field goal but some how they see them selves the top and heavy weights

  • Ed Sev
    Ed Sev Month ago

    No matter what this idiot wil automatically tell ya that Ohio state has the toughest conference despite the the rankings of the top ten teams ranked .
    But seems they go by the teams who are ranked lower than the top ten because apparently they are the hardest teams hmmm I smell rats

  • Ed Sev
    Ed Sev Month ago

    When your biased towards a particular conference then ya the teams you lift up by mouth are the best

  • Big Bubba What
    Big Bubba What Month ago

    I would love an expansion in College Football even if they just added 3 more weeks to regular season! Who with me! 3 more weeks of College Football!

  • David Kolb
    David Kolb Month ago +1

    1. LSU
    2. Ohio State
    3. Alabama
    4. Oregon
    That’s my final picture. Also, I really want to see an OSU v Oregon rematch or Ohio State facing off against a former Quaterback of their’s. This could be an interesting year for the playoffs...

  • Gifted Dee
    Gifted Dee Month ago

    Freddy need to get fired

  • Josh Gorman
    Josh Gorman Month ago

    Ohio state is not going to beat both Clemson and the top SEC team or the top 2 SEC teams. We've seen this story over and over and Ohio state doesn't measure up

  • Josh Gorman
    Josh Gorman Month ago

    Tua was injured and almost won

  • R DULA
    R DULA Month ago

    Get rid of non conference games all together and expand the playoff to 64

  • Shawn Snow
    Shawn Snow Month ago

    Joel Klatt is always good for a laugh

  • clock9596
    clock9596 Month ago

    Klatt is way off on the playoff topic

  • Antonio Smith
    Antonio Smith Month ago

    Penn state loss...yall dont know sports...
    Sports know talent... Not people

  • Eric Smith
    Eric Smith Month ago

    @12:30 I agree with Klatt. For the casual fans, a ‘bama vs. LSU game in the regular season would mean less over time with an 8-team playoff. Maybe not the first or second year of the 8-team playoff but over time, some of the rivalry games and current “big games” would matter less because 1 and 2 loss teams in Power conferences would still get playoff bids anyway. So the regular season WOULD mean less. Agree with Joel. Although it would give way to out of conference rivalries to take shape via a larger playoff format (i.e. Clemson vs. ‘bama).

  • Tee Dee
    Tee Dee Month ago

    Joel is right and they refuse to agree.

  • dēaþ
    dēaþ Month ago

    Oregon lost to a true freshman making his first career start. They've also beaten a lot of teams that have huge flaws and so-so seasons. As it stands now, I think it'll be Ohio State, LSU, Clemson, and Alabama. Ohio State-Bama and LSU-Clemson in the first round.

    • Aidan Gallo
      Aidan Gallo 27 days ago

      dēaþ it’s basically the same for Clemson except they pulled out a win against UNC, a worse team than Auburn. Oregon has beat teams with flaws? Clemson has beat nobodies.

  • Matthew Sawczyn
    Matthew Sawczyn Month ago

    He's right.
    We may all get frustrated sometimes by the craziness of rankings upsets
    But if you go 8 team playoff, that feeling will go away

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  • Ari Fleischer
    Ari Fleischer Month ago +1

    It’s going to be most likely Ohio State, LSU, Clemson, and the winner of the PAC 12 if both Oregon and Utah win out. However, what happens if LSU loses in the SEC championship to Georgia or Minnesota wins the Big 10

    • 23Kingsolomon
      23Kingsolomon 29 days ago

      That's what I been saying!!
      OSU and LSU are just monstrous teams, clemson is up there and I think oregon and Bama are fighting for that last tier. Bama won't get in cause theyll not even play for the championship, and might even lose the iron bowl

  • Matt D
    Matt D Month ago

    Great segment guys!

  • Barrett Granger
    Barrett Granger Month ago


  • Matt D
    Matt D Month ago

    Now you don’t have to worry about Penn St. anymore.

  • The Grand Greefer
    The Grand Greefer Month ago

    Soo, now that Minnesota eat penn state, if Penn State gets really mad and beats Ohio State, what do we do?

  • Matt Johnson
    Matt Johnson Month ago

    It always bothers me that SEC teams are graded on a curve. No team from another conference could lose to a 5-loss team with a losing record, at home, and still even be in consideration for the playoffs.

  • magnuslord
    magnuslord Month ago

    Klatt segment best segment.

  • biscoloco
    biscoloco Month ago

    Klatts right. College football is about to go the way of the dodo, if we’re not careful.

  • Phore Whoresman
    Phore Whoresman Month ago +1

    Um, Oregon Ducks are here in Eugene, not Portland.